it may not be super exciting by riots standarts and a simple ability. but it is definitely very unique without being op or problematic. who else can provide aoe damage reduction for his teammates?
if it aint broke, dont fix it.
seems like a kog maw situation to me where it could go either way and there is a good chance it ends up worse than before.
ƒrostγ5 votesBecause his current ult is boring and takes 0 skill to use it, just press a button?
Critmaster Garen4 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Prince,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-14T21:45:20.682+0000)
Because his current ult is boring and takes 0 skill to use it, just press a button?
not every champion has to be lee sin or yasuo. there is nothing wrong with simple abilities.
how about focusing on his w instead?
class updates usually aim at making the reworked champions very distinct from each other and giving each champion their own individual nieche.
i say maokais ult is not something that any other tank can provide. closest being tarics ult maybe.
SexyBabyJesusZ4 votesbecause it feels useless half the time
Critmaster Garen2 votesbecause it feels useless half the time
how is 20% damage reduction for every teammate in the aoe supposed to be useless? lol.
underappreciated maybe, but you cant tell me that much damage reduction for multiple allies is useless.
ƒrostγ2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-14T21:46:13.913+0000)
not every champion has to be lee sin or yasuo. there is nothing wrong with simple abilities.
how about focusing on his w instead?
What's wrong with his W ? He is a tank so he needs at least one single target hard CC. But champs like Lee Sin and Yasuo are the reasons why the wast majority of players are playing. If I wanted to play something simple, I'd play tetris or mario.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Prince,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-14T21:48:29.502+0000)
What's wrong with his W ? He is a tank so he needs at least one single target hard CC. But champs like Lee Sin and Yasuo are the reasons why the wast majority of players are playing. If I wanted to play something simple, I'd play tetris or mario.
because his w is a simple damage tool/point and click engage.
its a mechanical simple and just as "boring" ability as his ult. but its not even something unique. im saying if they want to add uniqueness to his kit, why not look into his w instead of his ult?
Chaos6891 votesBut that's just Maokai in general
Umbral Regent3 votesVengeful Maelstrom - while fitting Maokai's thematic - doesn't feel like an Ultimate ability. It feels like a dissatisfying engage prep that only pays off if you soak enough damage and somehow still survive while on top of someone you want to kill.
Not to mention, it's a really odd ability to use in the first place - you provide damage reduction for your teammates inside the Maelstrom, but you, as Maokai, are usually right on top of your enemies, not your allies, meaning the only people who ostensibly benefit from it are you, and any melee champions who can move into the thick of things with you.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-14T22:07:00.370+0000)
Vengeful Maelstrom - while fitting Maokai's thematic - doesn't feel like an Ultimate ability. It feels like a dissatisfying engage prep that only pays off if you soak enough damage and somehow still survive while on top of someone you want to kill.
Not to mention, it's a really odd ability to use in the first place - you provide damage reduction for your teammates inside the Maelstrom, but you, as Maokai, are usually right on top of your enemies, not your allies, meaning the only people who ostensibly benefit from it are you, and any melee champions who can move into the thick of things with you.
so to make it more exciting, theyre giving him namis ult with a different skin?
pls lets not pretend that its anything else. the only mechanical difference is a knockup replaced by a root.
Umbral Regent1 votesLet's see... "Nature’s Grasp summons a lane-wide wall of roots that slowly advances forward, each one rooting (heh) the first enemy champion hit. The wall has devastating teamfight potential, but its slow speed demands that Maokai plan around it."
And Nami's Tidal Wave summons a wide wave of water that advances forward at a moderate pace, knocking up any enemy champion it hits.
Now, notice a small distinction, there? "each one rooting the first enemy champion hit."? That's a pretty big difference between Nature's Grasp and Tidal Wave, don't you think? That a portion of the wall can only affect one Champion?
But, sure, go ahead and say "omg maokai new ult just elderwood nami ult" or whatever.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-04-14T22:18:28.718+0000)
Let's see... "Nature’s Grasp summons a lane-wide wall of roots that slowly advances forward, each one rooting (heh) the first enemy champion hit. The wall has devastating teamfight potential, but its slow speed demands that Maokai plan around it."
And Nami's Tidal Wave summons a wide wave of water that advances forward at a moderate pace, knocking up any enemy champion it hits.
Now, notice a small distinction, there? "each one rooting the first enemy champion hit."? That's a pretty big difference between Nature's Grasp and Tidal Wave, don't you think? That a portion of the wall can only affect one Champion?
But, sure, go ahead and say "omg maokai new ult just elderwood nami ult" or whatever.
i see that its only a miniscule distinction. mechanically the abilities are almost the same.
if namis ult moves faster and knocks up more reliably, why pick up maokai specific?
or looking at other tanks, why not amumu for example? even without magic damage dealers on your team, amumus ult alone looks like its gonna make him more reliable and useful than maokai.
Umbral Regent1 votesBecause Maokai is a persistent crowd-control threat, and a powerful, sustaining tank to boot. And, according to the Mid Season teaser, his Saplings are going to be dangerous when thrown into bushes.
Here's the best way to look at it: Yes, they are ostensibly similar, but Maokai is a disruptive Vanguard Tank, and Nami is a lightweight Enchanter/Controller Support. Nami's ult is primarily for peel or teamfight disarray, and the rest of her kit is basically utility - increasing ally movement speed, empowering ally auto-attacks, a bouncing heal, and a ranged AoE stun.
Maokai, on the other hand, has his ultimate primarily meant to lock down an enemy team to help him and his teammates reliably keep on them (although it can also be used as peel). Maokai's strengths lie in staying neck-deep in the enemy team, rooting and knocking around enemies so that the rest of his team can capitalise on the chaos.
Maokai is built for lockdown, Nami is built to support.
Psykoh1 votesOmg yasssssss hit the nail on the head
ModKnightsKemplar3 votesBut it IS broke, in the sense that it's one dimensional. You just use it whenever you fight.
No depth, brainpower, or game understanding required. It may be "balanced," but it isn't really fun.
Big Lincoln2 votesBecause we need every tank to have 3 CC spells instead of providing buffs and debuffs for their team
because we want them to be unique lol
HonchKrow771 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-14T21:52:43.834+0000)
Because we need every tank to have 3 CC spells instead of providing buffs and debuffs for their team
because we want them to be unique lol
Never seen aoe stun before :p honestly Mao's ult was very unique and not only helped him but also helped his team
HonchKrow771 votesI always liked Maokai's ult. Not overly broken, reliable and all around fun to use. The new ult won't fit him imo. A frontline lock down tank needs a way to survive and damage reducing and healing were maokai's thing, both of these things were gutted. I honestly think Riot was just tired of Maokai and wanted to get rid of him.
Die Area1 votesAt least they overbuffed him now to where he's freelo
Critmaster Garen1 votesAt least they overbuffed him now to where he's freelo
wat. maybe i havent faced a decent one yet, but the ones i faced were trash. you can almost walk faster than his ult moves.
Die Area1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0lEbfyOE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-05-04T16:07:22.097+0000)
wat. maybe i havent faced a decent one yet, but the ones i faced were trash. you can almost walk faster than his ult moves.
His saplings did a shitton of damage...AAAAAND it's nerfed all freaking ready lol rip maokai....again...