Nidalee buffs on the PBE?

Lugg·Jul 15, 2016·1 votes·632 views

Riot, WTF are thinking? Nid is PLENTY strong enough already and these buffs are MAJOR ones for damage. Seriously, did you guys have a crack smoking party last night?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhTv2kSBMhc

14 Comments

RageQ2Jul 15, 20162 votes

I thought there was a forum for this stuff, oh yeah! Post this on the PBE forums, not here. Thanks for informing us here though...

warpenguin555Jul 15, 20162 votes

those are nerfs wtf your talking about

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

They massively increased her early game damage. She can go in now and completely shut down enemy junglers in their own jungle and they won't be able to be a factor all game.

AbyssphereJul 15, 20161 votes

Eh? They buffed her level 1 spear damage which is pretty irrelevant in PVP and the only other buff she got in damage was increased damage on her cougar execute. In exchange she lost the ability to trigger hunted on people with traps and her clear was overall just slaughtered (no more auto reset on ult, no more ult reset with passive, no more hunted trigger with traps, no more Pounce resets full stop) and her Pounce reset is now completely reliant on getting kills and assists, which is far from reliable.

Is it really that bad for her to get a bit more damage against champions in exchange for her clear being cut down to size tremendously and losing some safety in her all-in?

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

Considering that she can now kill at will early game and snowball like mad, I think it's a huge buff. She won't worry about clearing now. She will just invade, kill the enemy jung, take his jung and win game.

AbyssphereJul 15, 20161 votes

If Nidalee now relies on invading and successfully killing the enemy junglers early to do well then I'd consider that a pretty hefty nerf. Most of her strength as a junglers comes from her ability to snowball without interacting with enemies in a significant way (her kit sucks at it, she only ever ganks because her clear speed gives her the spare time to) - if she can't ignore everyone and farm both jungles simultaneously anymore then she's taken a huge hit.

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

Nidalee has always been about invading and stealing the enemy jungle. Now she can kill the enemy jungler as well. So that's a huge buff. She doesn't have to worry about being caught anymore. Plus her ganks from Fog of War have always been good. It's hard to dodge a spear you don't see coming, plus it does more damage now, so you either die or are forced to back now and lose CS, which is a successful gank.

Yeah, she will clear a little slower, but the pros outweigh the cons.

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20161 votes

LOL @ calling it a "buff"

i think your forgetting these parts

Aspect of the Cougar (R)
    No longer resets when a Hunt is triggered.
    No longer resets Nidalee's basic attack.

Pounce (W) [Removed Effect] No longer reduces to an 'enhanced cooldown' if Nidalee kills a unit while in Cougar form, or pounces on a hunted unit for the first time. Maximum damage changed to 210/255/300/345/390 from 180/232.5/285/337.5/390

Bushwhack (W) 
    Bushwhack no longer triggers a hunt.


Aspect of the Cougar (R) 
    No longer resets Nidalee's basic attack.

aka.. nidalee can NEVER pounce in in unless she is 100% positive she can get a kill.

she lost 100% of her ability to trade any damage and can only sit back and throw spears until people are low.

aka she lost all counterplay she is goign to be much more annoying to face and she WONT BE AS FUN TO PLAY

what made nidalee fun after her rework was the ability to TRADE by landing a spear goign in and pouncing out instead of just standing back throwing spears all day if these changes go through she wont be able to go in for a trade anymore..

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

Early game she can pounce EVERY time since it's a guaranteed kill with the damage boost. Enemy junglers won't be able to get any farm at all in their own jungles early game now. She can totally dominate them at will early.

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20162 votes

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Early game she can pounce EVERY time since it's a guaranteed kill with the damage boost. Enemy junglers won't be able to get any farm at all in their own jungles early game now. She can totally dominate them at will early.

lugg for the first time in my life.. i think we can agree that these nid changes are stupid... regardless of WHY we think so

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

It's a buff to her early invades which is one of her strengths. Yeah, it will really hurt the rest of her game, but she can easily get fed now and be a monster for the early/mid game.

I agree they are pretty dumb changes. There are much better ways to tune her.

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20161 votes

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It's a buff to her early invades which is one of her strengths. Yeah, it will really hurt the rest of her game, but she can easily get fed now and be a monster for the early/mid game.

I agree they are pretty dumb changes. There are much better ways to tune her.

yes it is a buff to her early invades, and it's a buff to her clear speed.

and i don't CARE if it DOES make her stronger early game.

i would rather have a WEAK nidalee than a nidalee at ISN'T FUN TO PLAY.

my absolute favorite part of nidalee's kit is her trade. land a spear pounce in and pounce out. this is what makes nid so fun to play.

its exciting, you need to land a hard to hit skillshot and then you need to pounce in where it is really dangerous. but you get to do lots of damage and you can get out if things too too nasty.

now its just.. "throw a spear" are they low enough? NOPE.. throw another spear? how about now.... NOPE throw another spear. ok now they're low.. instant kill and instant escape..

THATS NO FUN!!!

A LiberalJul 15, 20161 votes

They buffed her damage but completely gutted all of her ability to actually utilize her combo, and she now literally has an ability that does NOTHING. Like, she has a zyra seed in her kit now.

LuggJul 15, 20161 votes

Don't get me wrong, I think they should definitely buff her trap damage and just normalize the rest of her kit. Her spears are pretty broken and she doesn't need as much damage in her kit since she is very safe in that she can always get away.