Who can beat Fiora, 1 vs 1?

Hallbuster·Mar 4, 2017·4 votes·7,357 views

That's right, nobody can. She has few to no counters.

68 Comments

FireDrizzleMar 4, 20178 votes

Master yi. Yorick and Vi can beat her early. Kayle? Nasus with stacks.

ArnoldSchwarzensMar 4, 20171 votes

Master Yi and Vi in lane? Wut?

FireDrizzleMar 4, 20174 votes

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Master Yi and Vi in lane? Wut?

He saId 1v1, he didn't specify in lane. All though I do play Vi toplane and tried Yi twice. Vi top is fine but not good to firstpick becuase in a bad matchup you are easy to harrass with nothing ranged to farm with.

FTWolfMar 6, 20171 votes

Nasus counters the shit outa her

Death by GlamourJun 14, 20171 votes

http://www.op.gg/champion/fiora/statistics/top

Odd that you say that he hard counters her when she is more likely to win the game against nasus

HallbusterJun 14, 20171 votes

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http://www.op.gg/champion/fiora/statistics/top

Odd that you say that he hard counters her when she is more likely to win the game against nasus

Jesus Christ, i posted this link on another Fiora thread, I didn't expect a nerco to happen.

Death by GlamourJun 14, 20172 votes

apologies i didnt notice

HallbusterJun 14, 20171 votes

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apologies i didnt notice

No worries, who cares if it's a necropst. The mods don't even care.

CaptainCatssJan 3, 20191 votes

Sooo wrong it isn’t hard . Nasus needs to q minions, so after he q, q at the weak point. W his W .

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMar 4, 20177 votes

Complaining about Fiora capitalizing on her strengths..

FTWolfMar 6, 20172 votes

Who can teamfight better than fiora? almost everyone in the game lol...

Kukan SeishinMar 6, 20173 votes

Laners who win against Fiora

Renekton Rengar Darius Jayce Kennen Yorick Riven Vladimir

They can all beat Fiora in lane

Champions who beat Fiora late game

Yasuo Riven Ryze Cassiopeia Vladimir Vayne Zed MasterYi

Now listen closely to this. ^Those champs, can only win if they play well, fiora IS NAMED "the grand duelist" for a reason, why you would fight her 1 v 1 at her strongest point in the game (late game) is beyond me, instead, what you do, is force teamfights, she is much easier to deal with, because you will have a cc for her, and for that, if you are support or mid and there is a enemy fiora, pick something like.

Malzahar Lissandra Ryze

And then there is her HARDEST counter in late game

Lulu

point and click, no cast animation, 2 second's of nothing, then go and kill her.

HallbusterMar 6, 20171 votes

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Laners who win against Fiora

They can all beat Fiora in lane

Champions who beat Fiora late game

Now listen closely to this. ^Those champs, can only win if they play well, fiora IS NAMED "the grand duelist" for a reason, why you would fight her 1 v 1 at her strongest point in the game (late game) is beyond me, instead, what you do, is force teamfights, she is much easier to deal with, because you will have a cc for her, and for that, if you are support or mid and there is a enemy fiora, pick something like.

And then there is her HARDEST counter in late game

point and click, no cast animation, 2 second's of nothing, then go and kill her.

Huh I will most certainly see if these champions can win against her.

Kukan SeishinMar 6, 20171 votes

TAKE NOTE OF WHAT I SAID

Now listen closely to this. ^Those champs, can only win if they play well, fiora IS NAMED "the grand duelist" for a reason

ONLY IF PLAYED WELL

HallbusterMar 6, 20171 votes

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TAKE NOTE OF WHAT I SAID ^Those champs, can only win if they play well, fiora IS NAMED "the grand duelist" for a reason

ONLY IF PLAYED WELL

I took the note >.>.

Sir FuzziMar 6, 20171 votes

Fiora is a design, one of many, that punishes reckless play. You might be thinking of some other quick names; Darius, Yasuo and Illaoi should all probably come up here.

Fiora has a plethora of tools at her disposal and gets bonuses for using them correctly. This means, robbed of the opportunity to use them, she loses a lot of her gumption because most of it is placed in the fact that she can answer so many cases at once.

franchise7676Mar 4, 20172 votes

jax ww rammus

ArnoldSchwarzensMar 4, 20172 votes

I mean there's a reason why she's called "The Grand Duelist". Make it more than two and she'll have a tough time. There is also her weak early game.

VoidStaresBackMar 4, 20172 votes

It's a good thing this isn't a game of 1 v 1's, eh?

HallbusterMar 4, 20172 votes

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It's a good thing this isn't a game of 1 v 1's, eh?

Early laning phase? Yes.

VoidStaresBackMar 4, 20172 votes

And?

What's the problem with a champion being strong in laning, exactly, especially when they tend to struggle in teamfighting if they don't get ahead (much like most skirmishers do). Plus, she's not actually that strong in laning to begin with.

Mecha MaIphiteMar 4, 20174 votes

Fiora doesn't actually become a really strong duelist until later in the game.

HallbusterMar 4, 20172 votes

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Fiora doesn't actually become a really strong duelist until later in the game.

I disagree, she's good the entire game!

Mecha MaIphiteMar 4, 20176 votes

Uh, no. Her lane isn't bad, but it isn't great either.

Pantheon Quinn Teemo Malphite can all shut her down pretty well.

CaptainCatssJan 3, 20191 votes

Thank you

Sir FuzziMar 6, 20171 votes

Play her, learn her weaknesses, and exploit them.

Alternatively, play Quinn. I feel like Quinn is an answer for most top lane troubles.

vOmvbrawfUMar 4, 20172 votes

Fiddlesticks

OurLestradeMar 4, 20172 votes

I've seen a good Shen mess up Fiora

Critmaster GarenMar 4, 20172 votes

Malphite stomps her early and midgame.

reaperteaserMar 4, 20172 votes

jax puts up a good fight, otherwise its a skill match up

Purpl3Jungl3Mar 4, 20172 votes

She'll have a hard lane against Pantheon because he blocks her Q if she tries to engage & her w is useless against him

Kukan SeishinMar 6, 20172 votes

True, until lvl 6 Fiora can all in and win, he HAS to win lane before then, and if he doesnt he will never be able to 1 v 1 her again

Purpl3Jungl3Mar 6, 20171 votes

Even Pre-6 shell have a hard time poking. If he engages on her pre 6, he wins trades. If she engages pre 6, its usually about how fast she can get out if it.

Tldr a good panth will beat a fiora in trades even early

Kukan SeishinMar 6, 20171 votes

Haha, I actually misworded that, I meant to say, AT lvl 6 Fiora wins an all in. Panth needs to get a lead early, which if he doesn't, he won't be able to 1 v 1 the fiora at lvl 6 unless she misplays pretty bad

SaltyKrackaMar 4, 20171 votes

I know as a Nasus player that if I don't screw up horribly or get ganked in the first six minutes, I've basically won the lane as soon as I hit Frozen Heart.

When I get Sheen, I know it for real.

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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I know as a Nasus player that if I don't screw up horribly or get ganked in the first six minutes, I've basically won the lane as soon as I hit Frozen Heart.

When I get Sheen, I know it for real.

Probably not a full AD Fiora though. Standard Fiora, yes.

SaltyKrackaMar 6, 20171 votes

Nasus actually does better against full AD Fiora. Means she's squishy, less mobile, and has much less CDR. So it's easy for him to chase her down and kill her.

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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Nasus actually does better against full AD Fiora. Means she's squishy, less mobile, and has much less CDR. So it's easy for him to chase her down and kill her.

But she'll be killing you in 1 Vital + 4 ult Vitals, no matter how much defenses you've got. She needs 400 bonus AD to get to that point, meaning a item 3072 item 3074 item 3139 item 3071 item 3812 build, giving 340 AD, and then AD from runes (15) and Fervor (16 AD every time she autos you, and she can get that thing stacked instantly with an auto+Q+auto+E, for a total of 419 AD. That means she even has 1 item slot left for a Randuins or something . This build has 30% CDR, meaning Fiora gets a 3 second cooldown Q, QSS to stop Wither, 400 health from BC, a 350 health shield from BT, and some Rav lifesteal to heal off the surrounding minions.

I'm not sure how much damage physical damage she'd do, with 7% armor pen mastery and BC, or if we swapped out DD for an LDR, but that alone is enough True damage to kill anything in 5 vital hits. Save a couple % before the Fervor completely stacks up.

SaltyKrackaMar 6, 20171 votes

If Fiora has gotten to that build and the Nasus hasn't already snowballed all over her face, something went terribly wrong.

And Nasus will probably lose fights if he lets Fiora get all 4 ult vitals anyways. That's why it's so important to get up against a wall and make sure she doesn't.

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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If Fiora has gotten to that build and the Nasus hasn't already snowballed all over her face, something went terribly wrong.

And Nasus will probably lose fights if he lets Fiora get all 4 ult vitals anyways. That's why it's so important to get up against a wall and make sure she doesn't.

Depends if Nasus is stacked up enough to kill Fiora under tower. Because Fiora and Nasus both have lifesteal, poking is not gonna do much, and Fiora's Tiamat can delay pushes very well.

Anyway, I thought we were talking about 6 items late game?

SaltyKrackaMar 6, 20172 votes

Talking about 6-item late games is pointless. It's far better to talk about what you will actually see happen.

Anyways, Nasus doesn't necessarily have to kill Fiora under tower (although he generally can). He just has to be able to output enough poke to overwhelm her sustain (and unless Fiora has an awful lot of sustain, a big honking doge near the minion wave is going to do that) or be able to poke her turret down one Q at a time.

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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Talking about 6-item late games is pointless. It's far better to talk about what you will actually see happen.

Anyways, Nasus doesn't necessarily have to kill Fiora under tower (although he generally can). He just has to be able to output enough poke to overwhelm her sustain (and unless Fiora has an awful lot of sustain, a big honking doge near the minion wave is going to do that) or be able to poke her turret down one Q at a time.

There's too many variables, but Nasus is always a snowbally lane. If you can't 1v1 him anymore, which is sadly very possible if he gets a kill lead, he autowins the lane because it's no longer possible to deny him stacks.

Kukan SeishinMar 6, 20171 votes

I made a Fiora build to deal with Nasus

item 3748 item 3022 item 3071 item 3742 item 3065 item 3047

You are reliant on your vitals for heals, but Nasus won't be able to kill you through your healing, from your ult proc

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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I made a Fiora build to deal with Nasus

You are reliant on your vitals for heals, but Nasus won't be able to kill you through your healing, from your ult proc

Vital heal is tiny, that's be an around ~120 health heal for each Vital proc'd. Keep in mind the ult heal also scales on AD, so it won't be huge, as well.

The Frozen Mallet is an utter waste, a Sunfire Cape outclasses it in damage and survivability in an extended trade.

This build doesn't have nearly enough damage to kill Nasus. Not through his passive lifesteal and health + armor/mr boosts. Also, a tanky build allows Nasus to Q multiple times, which is the opposite of what you want.

PermabannedGarenMar 6, 20171 votes

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But she'll be killing you in 1 Vital + 4 ult Vitals, no matter how much defenses you've got. She needs 400 bonus AD to get to that point, meaning a build, giving 340 AD, and then AD from runes (15) and Fervor (16 AD every time she autos you, and she can get that thing stacked instantly with an auto+Q+auto+E, for a total of 419 AD. That means she even has 1 item slot left for a Randuins or something . This build has 30% CDR, meaning Fiora gets a 3 second cooldown Q, QSS to stop Wither, 400 health from BC, a 350 health shield from BT, and some Rav lifesteal to heal off the surrounding minions.

I'm not sure how much damage physical damage she'd do, with 7% armor pen mastery and BC, or if we swapped out DD for an LDR, but that alone is enough True damage to kill anything in 5 vital hits. Save a couple % before the Fervor completely stacks up.

A glass cannon Fiora is going to be drain-tanked by Nasus tbh. A single Q from him on a Fiora that built like that will heal a big fat sexy chunk of his health.

Every single Q will heal a big chunk of his health. Also, Nasus theoretically could let her pop two or three vitals before ulting to make her effective damage throughout the fight even less, since his overall HP will suddenly be much higher. It also helps that wither, though not hurting her as much as it does Tryndamere, will definitely hurt her ability to quickly proc vitals.

Asayake 5150glowMar 6, 20171 votes

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A glass cannon Fiora is going to be drain-tanked by Nasus tbh. A single Q from him on a Fiora that built like that will heal a big fat sexy chunk of his health.

Every single Q will heal a big chunk of his health. Also, Nasus theoretically could let her pop two or three vitals before ulting to make her effective damage throughout the fight even less, since his overall HP will suddenly be much higher. It also helps that wither, though not hurting her as much as it does Tryndamere, will definitely hurt her ability to quickly proc vitals.

Hope to Riposte the Q I guess?

The Mercurial is for the Wither.

Assuming 1k damage from each Nasus Q, he'd heal about 200 health from each one. Keep in mind that this is a super high burst based Fiora build - proccing 5 vitals takes roughly 3 to 4 seconds (auto to proc 1, ult, Q+auto+Tiamat+E for the second, run to third with Vital movespeed, Mercurial movespeed, and Phage, with a faster than normal attack animation from second E, run to fourth with Vital and Phage movespeed, then Q to last Vital).

This means Nasus gets two Q's off. Assuming Fiora survives them, that means he heals 400 health. The True damage is already 100% of his max health - that physical damage with over 500 AD isn't exactly low, and Cleaver means it's penning at least some armor - I'm sure Fiora will do at least 400 physical damage. Her basic burst combo is a >400% AD scaling, so 2000*.2 (assuming 80% damage reduction) is already 400 damage.

SwainLaneWinGameMar 6, 20171 votes

Darius doesn't win against fiora in lane lol

FioraWillCarryJan 3, 20191 votes

Actually he will win hard vs inexperienced Fiora players. The instinct of most players when facing a Darius is to avoid fighting him, running away, avoiding long trades etc. as his early damage is extremely intimidating. On Fiora you have to override that instinct and go balls deep when he gets on you. Most people won't realize that Fiora can actually 1v1 Darius, even at early levels. You can kill him at level 1 if he doesn't take ignite.

FioraWillCarryJan 3, 20191 votes

Teemo Should never lose lane to her if you play smart. Don't let her farm and don't let her kill you and the game is yours. Jax Be smart with your E. Mix up the times when you reactivate. Don't be predictable with it. Tryndamere Easy mode after level 6. You can be 0-6 and still beat her. You're also a better split pusher. Pantheon She can't buy items without farm. Nasus item 3057 = GG MasterYi Get 3 items. Never lose to her. Malphite You won from champ select. Viktor She would better serve her team by afking at the fountain. By far her strongest counter. She can't farm, she can't kill you, even with her jungler and she can't stop you from winning the lane through a massive CS lead and eventually taking her tower.