Changes to Riven that might actually make some sense

SaltyToplaneGoat··1 votes·455 views

No, this is not going to be a PLS NERF RIVEN thread. The problem doesn't even really lie in her kit but the stat efficiency of item 3134 , but that's another story. I'm just proposing changes that might in some way even be a buff, but can be a way to turn her into an actually healthy champion and removing the frustration she causes.

1.) Reduce the AoE a little (only a little, mind you), but Increase it a little more in her ultimate. This goes along with the second point:

2.) Give her ultimate an actual feel. You suddely wield a massive broadsword, your strikes are supposed to feel massively different. Heavyier and maybe a tad slower, but murderous and devastating. So, maybe you increase the range, but your attack speed decreases slightly while your Q has to have a little break after every swing. (think about a second or two).

3.) Make the shield directional somehow, so she blocks damage from the direction she dashes to (and maybe a bit from the sides too). That thing is called "Valor" - not "cowardice". It should reward jumping on enemies and not be an escape tool. Riven was designed as an "all-in" champ. A champ with a constant "get out of jail" card in their kit is not really all-in, you gotta admit that. She still could use that to "hop away", but the skill wouldn't be as efficient.

4.) Give her cooldowns meaning again. Ressourceless champs are supposed to be gated by their cooldowns. But a Riven just gets item 3134 and item 3158 plus some runes and masteries and they are completly meaningless while she still has all core stats she needs. This is more of an item problem, but until this is fixed you gotta push her cooldowns a little.

Point four is the actual problem. Usually playing against Riven early is not that hard. Usually you wait her combo, dodge and trade back and/or you poke her down so she cannot all-in you without the risk of getting killed - but for that you need a certain time window when her Q or the shield are down. With the CDR this time window becomes WAY to small.

So small actually that riven can back off from a minion wave and come back with her skills up without barely losing any cs. Imagine if Vladimir's Pool or Fiora's Riposte had such a low cooldown. With these spells it's sometimes like: "Oh shit I cannot even get close to my currently stronger enemy without this thing up" - and that mostly costs you some minions.

These changes might make her a little harder to play, but should be focussed on rewarding skillful playing more than just random buttonmashing by making her mechanically more complex. Hell, with these changes intact you could even BUFF her and she would be less frustrating than she is now...

5 Comments

colesy2 votes

how is having to invest 2,337 gold in to cdr meaningless? that shuts you out of other boot options, and the only build path for brutalizer is ghostblade anyway which is restricting too, compared to like a pickaxe which just builds in to everything.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

You start with a longsword, so it's only 1997 gold.

These are maybe 100 CS + passive gold income... well, after 13 minutes into that game she has it, both boots and brutalizer. That's pretty much it. Not counting any kill or assist here.

Also, ghost blade is everything BUT restricting. It gives her even MORE mobility and AMAZING armor penetration. There is literally no reason you don't want to grab that item.

colesy2 votes

right, so at the 13 minute mark you have +25 ad, +25% cdr, +45 ms and +10 arpen.

compare this to say, an adc who has possibly +75 ad and +25 ms. or maybe a fiora who could have around +60 ad, +10% cdr and +10 arpen by getting brutalizer + pickaxe + longsword. rushing cdr reduces the power of your actual abilities, it just lets you use them more frequently, it's not a little investment on the side, by rushing pure cdr you're giving up the early instakill potential by going for brutalizer + tiamat straight away for the ability to move quicker and trade more frequently.

and no, for the gold invested in to it the stats of ghostblade are actually kind of shitty, and riven doesn't even get any value out of the attack speed from the active. it's why you pretty much leave brutalizer how it is and then pick up ghostblade later on as a "well I don't have too much gold but I don't have much else to buy so might as well get this" type item - going a whole game without even finishing the ghostblade isn't exactly uncommon.

again, having to build ionians locks you out of other choices. if auto attack damage is mauling you, you can't get tabis, if cc and magic damage is dumping you, you can't get treads, you have to dedicate one of your other slots to a qss.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

ill agree ... her problem isn't her kit but i wont agree about brutalizer thing

her numbers are the problem

the way she is currently made ... she has loads of her power into 2 areas 1 offense in early game 2 scaling with ad to get everything late

this makes her a feast or famine champion if her offense is enough to win her early game ... gold will give her everything and push her to be op

if her offense fails ... she wont get gold and will suck

for someone with a kit like that ... she shouldnt scale so hard ... and shouldnt be forced to win every fight under a threat of falling behind

she needs both buffs and nerfs that will make her kit healthier to play both as and against

the fun fact is that both players who play as and against riven are not satisfied with her

a guy who plays riven will tell you that she can be weak ... since he knows how can she fall behind and how optionless she can get

a guy who plays against riven will tell you she is too strong ... because he sees her charging and there is no possibility that would allow him to fight her in any way

The only thing that is op about riven is her snowballing and the only reason why she is allowed to be like this is because either she snowballs or she gets rekt

Baunjo2 votes

JUST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME RIOT DOESNT LOOK TO THE BOARDS FOR WISDOM ON THEIR CHAMPIONS!!!

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