I really am confused to why his range is so short compared to caitlyn and even ashe. It's going to be so hard to apply blight and so hard to even farm safely. He isn't overpowered in any sense, so why is his range so short. I really see no balance to counteract the range.
5G8Nri0B545 votesUmmm...
His range is actually above average. The baseline range is approximately 550, those with short range thus are 500 and 525. Above 550 you have the likes of Varus, Ashe, Cait, and conditionally Kog and Tristana.
Long Dong Wukong4 votesThe problem here is that people aren't realizing that Varus is an AP champion.
Virgin Ray1 votesSo why is he a marksman? Shouldn't marksman be like attack damage? After all it's called adc.
Long Dong Wukong1 votesNo, it was called ADC. People just still call the role ADC.
They renamed it marksman because they simply wanted it to represent a character that does most of their damage with ranged attacks, I assume because it was confusing for new players. What is ADC? AD Carry? What does that mean? etc.
Regardless, Varus has a 1.0 ratio ult that also procs his W stacks, and then his W is like a Nashor's with a better ratio, and the W stacks end up at like 17% Max HP per stack. Building a Nashor's to stack with W also makes your autos do 550~ damage with a full build, and the Lichbane procs are the equivalent of crits.
Doing AA AA AA R/Q also makes the last AA a Lichbane hit if you cancel it correctly, which instantly kills anything that isn't 4k hp and 300 MR
Virgin Ray1 votesOh ok. but how is his w a nashors tooth with better ratio? I thought it only does extra magic dmg.
Long Dong Wukong1 votesVarus W is like 26 + (25% AP), Nashors is 15 + (15% AP), I believe. And the stacks on W also get 1% per 50 AP or so, which ends up being around 17% max HP per stack when you have 550ish~ AP, which should be around the late midgame timeframe.
So that's whatever, 300 magic damage a hit + 110base AD on your autos. At at like 700 AP endgame you're at 400 magic damage + 130 base or w/e. Not counting the 1000+ damage Lichbane hits and procs of like 66% Max HP from the stacks.
The damage is ludicrous, the only problem is Varus as a champion has no mobility to be heard of so you have to be very particular about your positioning. I find Alacrity helps him actually kite, personally.
I just personally don't feel like he works anything near as well as a similar hybridish-damage Marksman like Miss Fortune building AD. She builds AD, and gets scaling Magic damage for building AD. So she naturally does mixed damage. Varus builds AD and.... has a decent poke? He doesn't auto better than anyone, he has no steroids. The W stacks hurt, but they don't delete anyone if you aren't building AP. The ratio on E is irrelevant. R doesn't do shit for damage if you're building AD and it has a 100% AP ratio.
He seems like something you pick if your top, jungle, and mid are AD. They'll build armor and you'll turn their screen black and white.
I assume RIot's going to change his kit to scale with more AD and less AP at some point, unless they just like him how he is now.
Centuros1 votesHalf of his abilities scale with AD. That's his main problem: half of his kit doesn't scale no matter which way you go, like old Sion.
Long Dong Wukong1 votesHalf of them scale with AD, but the others hyperscale with AP, so the AD ratios are meaningless at the end of the day.
So yes, I guess it's like old Sion.
Virgin Ray1 votesSo how would you build him? Is it 3 ad and 3 ap, or 3 ap or ad and 3 defence?
Long Dong Wukong1 votesIf you're gonna build him AP you pretty much just go something like Nashor's, boots, Sheen, Sorc shoes, Lichbane, Dcap/Zhonya's/Void Staff, whatever order you need them in.
Once you have a Nashor's and a Lichbane the damage is real, and then you just want to stack AP. That's pretty much it.
If you meant masteries and runes, just hybrid pen reds, hp or armor(or half/half) yellows, flat MR or MR/lvl or 5% CDR blues+MR/lvl(whichever you prefer), and either AP or AD or 2x AS quints. Masteries are more or less similar to Akali, something like 27/0/3. You get all of the AP and AD masteries, and take the 5% AP and don't take the 5% AD.
You aren't actually AP in the really early game because you need items, so you just play like you're AD while you farm until you start getting parts for a Nashor's. I'd still start Doran's Blade and buy another blade if you have to back early, just because until you actually have a Nashor's the AD is going to be more useful. But once you have a Nashor's the AP actually converts to AA damage pretty well.
The best time to actually play it is if you're on a team that ends up being all AD, because the enemy team is going to be more inclined to get armor first which lets you do a lot of damage. Just don't build him AP if you have a Fiddle Jungle and a Ahri mid, because your team isn't going to have physical damage and you'll get rekt
Varus has a hard time regardless of what you build him because he's so immobile and he doesn't actually have a slow added to his AA's like Ashe. You have to be really careful with your positioning.
Rikari3 votesCaitlyn's range is her bread and butter. she would be useless without it. If varus had more range,he would be able to bully you away from cs in 5 seconds with 3 AA+Q,force you to lose the lane and all cs. it would make him OP.
Virgin Ray1 votesWould he be OP with ashe's range?
Too Ton1 votesYes actually. He already has q arrow spammmmmm
Virgin Ray1 votesbut its at a 15 second cooldown? what do you mean by spam?
Too Ton1 votesunless the enemy has a heal support or shield, there is just poking down slowly.
UberAffe1 votesYou also seem to be ignoring the high mana cost if he tries to "spam" it as well as how easy it is dodge
FantasySniper1 votesIt's not easy. It's pretty hard to juke a half-decent Varus if you're not at the edge of its range.
UberAffe1 votesIf you are close enough that it becomes hard to juke you should be trading with him while he charges up
FantasySniper1 votesThen he just lets it fly early and starts trading back.
UberAffe1 votesthat also means he just lost part of what makes his trade so effective. The strength of his trades is getting the blight procs, otherwise practically every adc has at least as good or better trading power
FantasySniper1 votesNo, he didn't. Not only does the minimum 100% AD ratio mean it's going to be the same (or most likely more than) as an auto, it will proc any Blight stacks regardless. If most of his trading strength is in using his blight, then how in the hell is using his autos more a bad thing?
UberAffe1 votesUsing a spell procs blight. A varus's most effective trade is to aa 3 times then e aa 3 more if possible and q while the back off.
FantasySniper1 votesSo why are you complaining about him sending his [Q] off early? His Blight and autos themselves have more potential damage traded back then a [Q] held for another second.
UberAffe1 votesMy point as that pretty much any adc should be able to out trade him if he uses an ability before he auto attacks.
Virgin Ray1 votesSo does his q do more damage if you are closer? or only the first enemy regardless of distance?
Long Dong Wukong1 votesNo it gains more damage and range the longer you charge it, but charging it when you have auto attacks available is just losing damage.
FantasySniper1 votesPlease read it again, it seems you are in consent to the statement, but have misunderstood it.
FantasySniper1 votesNo, he just has more damage potential with his autos rather than his [Q]. The [Q]'s strength is in its range and proccing of Blight stacks, the former of which is pointless when they're in auto attack range anyways.
Rikari1 votesVery much so. All his spells are long range,not to mention his ultimate roots with his best range,and he also has an attack speed steroid.
Leblancs Boob3 votesIncreasing AA range is one of the biggest buffs you can give to a champion so i think it would be rather risky. Somewhere down the line there has to be a tradeoff, and Varus' abilities tend to have a very long range. He's a pretty underwhelming champion nonetheless and I think his wonky ult is a big part of that. Maybe give his ult a buff and see how far that takes him
Virgin Ray1 votesWell he gets outranged by a lot of adcs, so I think buffing his range is a good change.
Long Dong Wukong2 votesCaitlyn is cancer first of all
But I don't know, he should have Ashe's range tbh, but don't think his range is short. It's pretty good as far as non-scaling range goes. It's higher than everyone but Caitlyn, Ashe, and W Kogmaw for most of the lane.
Spookzie1 votesNever see him in competitive play. He is super fun though. Also, i dont understand why people do x3 AA+q. I awlays x3AA+e since it's practically instant and sets you up for a full charged q.