She is truly one of a kind, because she's the only assassin in this game who's actually balanced. Why? She isn't manaless (except when she's in cougar form) so she can't just spam her abilities all day. She has burst, but ONLY if she lands a skillshot. With other assassin you just point and click and instant reward. And finally, no stealth.
Slamurai Jack11 votesYou guys constantly complain about assassins being low risk, high reward and then use Nidalee as an example of a healthy asssassin? Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I could've sworn that Nidalee's constant spear throwing and spammable mobility is the perfect fucking example of low risk, high reward gameplay.
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0d7gRJFq,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2016-02-23T15:12:48.101+0000)
You guys constantly complain about assassins being low risk, high reward and then use Nidalee as an example of a healthy asssassin? Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I could've sworn that Nidalee's constant spear throwing and spammable mobility is the perfect fucking example of low risk, high reward gameplay.
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Nidalee doesn't have stealth, so provided the enemy has wards (which a smart team should have anyways) you know exactly where she is. She's not like a stealth champion who can just hide until a good opportunity presents itself. And again, she's not like Shaco or Rengar or Talon who just point and click on you and has tons of burst. If she misses her 'q', she's not gonna do much damage.
BTW, if you want to talk about constant spammable spear throwing and mobility, let's talk about Pantheon. Highest base MS in the game and can block auto attacks and tower hits with his passive. That is low risk.
Slamurai Jack1 votesYou're not gonna get any Pantheon defense from me; fuck that cancer champ. I have no idea how he hasn't been reworked yet. But at least his spear is fairly short ranged and not longer than nearly every champions retaliation range like Nid's spear is.
The Whamboozler1 votesPanth is cancer? Dude... have you PLAYED pantheon? He's strong in lane then falls off a truck. He's melee, he runs himself oom harassing people, you can CC him our of his E to cut down his damage a LOT. He can't handle the tanky sustain monsters that are dominating the game right now, and even in good meta for him he's basically just a guy who uses ult to set-up the enemy for his own team by flanking them. That is it!
A lot of champs have point and click abilities... that alone isn't a reason for you to hate on them. Point and click skills are the counter to the wave of hyper mobile douchebags that would run riot if everything was a skillshot!
weeaboomer5 votesSurprises me how people see this cancer as balanced
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M4ndrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tobi Only Sways,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0d7gRJFq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-23T09:26:24.651+0000)
Surprises me how people see this cancer as balanced
Probably because hes no major deal before Ult , but Talon isnt balanced one bit but that is more an itemization issue as theres too much FLAT PEN around with items that offer way too much good stats in other areas.
Imo AD Assassins need their Ultimate CDs looked at and their scalings, theres too much CDR on way too gold efficient items .
AP Assassins are far more balanced than AD Assassins , if you break down items like Morellos/Lich Bane the part components of these items arent even remotley in the same ballpark when it comes to power spikes as Serrated Dirk . 10 flat pen is huge at the point you can pick it up.
We dont even need to talk about about being gated by Mana , by Cooldowns or by Energy.
Also neither Zed or Talon have a hard time safely farming , while Zed needs to keep the pressure early game and has to decide Shadow for farming and some harass but escape down while Talon is super safe all day long with his Clear .
M4ndrake4 votesShe is truly one of a kind, because she's the only assassin in this game who's actually balanced. Why? She isn't manaless (except when she's in cougar form) so she can't just spam her abilities all day. She has burst, but ONLY if she lands a skillshot. With other assassin you just point and click and instant reward. And finally, no stealth.
As a Nidalee Main I can tell you that she has a ton of burst without landing her Spear .
A Q in Cougar form hurts a lot actually the entire Cougar rotation is quite devastating amplified by her Trap.
Spear into Takedown is an insta delete on a very short CD its gated by the slow missile speed so its easy dogeable , but I still agree that AD Assassins are a lot more ridiculous and unhealthy in every regard.
What makes Nidalee sort of balanced is the risky playstyle , nothing i can say about Zed for instance or Diana to some extent. Plus Nidalee cant just flank , dive your backline just like that the spear has to actually hit and target is better be down cause she doesnt have that much of a out of the jail card if she doesnt like trade unlike Zed or to some extent Diana.
Mael bro2 votesNidalee. Risky playstyle? Goddamn delusional Nidalee apologist. Your overloaded champion always finds a way into the meta. And currently right now she's the queen bitch of early game jungling. In what kind of world afk poking from 2000 range and choosing when to engage with a manaless gapcloser + increased movement speed from cougar form is a healthy mechanic? You should be ashamed of maining this champion.
The Whamboozler1 votes^ This guy I downvoted for his rudeness, but he's right. Nidalee can literally just spam spears at you until she hits you... then decide if she thinks you're low enough to jump in and burst. No risk. In fact, she has a heal to negate poke while doing so. Nidalee is probably one of the LEAST risky champs in the game. The only risk you take playing her is the risk that the enemy dodges spears so well you go oom and have to leave.
DrCyanide4 votesOK, now what's the difference between Nidalee and Diana on those points? Both want to land a skillshot before going in, both have their burst, both have mana, both don't have stealth...
I personally contend that Shaco is one of the healthier Assassins, just because he doesn't rely on button mashing to get his kill. Every time Shaco goes in there's a chance for you to outplay him, and for him to get punished hard. He can only use his Q to get in or get out unless he outplays your team.
3TWarrior3 votesit depends upon who you ask about shaco, but I agree. Shaco actually has to make decisions for what he is doing and is countered hard if he is on cooldown or just plain caught
had an annoying match against one...not a good example of a match because we lost, horribly, but the shaco knew how to work with their team on twisted treeline
the kindred on our team would constantly duel him instead of remaining in lane and by then, the lanes were outdone by a shaco with SIX kills early game
lol, the kindred called them op and said that everyone always uses shaco...
the shaco, on the other hand...had played more than 4000 matches as shaco
Sahn Uzal3 votesShe has an unhealthy combination of poke (Q) Utility (E) and vision control (W) in Human form, and really does not need to land a spear to do her thing.
I was watching Dyrus' stream, while he was duoing with IWillDominate. The amount of times Dominate said ''I missed everything but killed him anyway'' was pretty damn high. Lol
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=SwHc Fenris,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0d7gRJFq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-23T10:47:13.763+0000)
She has an unhealthy combination of poke (Q) Utility (E) and vision control (W) in Human form, and really does not need to land a spear to do her thing. I was watching Dyrus' stream, while he was duoing with IWillDominate. The amount of times Dominate said ''I missed everything but killed him anyway'' was pretty damn high. Lol
Have you got any actual reasoning for her having poke, sustain and mediocre vision control being a bad thing? Or do you just think "Champion does a few things = bad"? Because her ability to poke while healing and occasionally laying down a vision check doesn't lead to any problematic play patterns.
PokladnicaZla1 votesDont forget to add mobility and her ability to delete people to the list...
Sahn Uzal2 votesThose things are individually not a bad thing to have, but combined in an Assassins kit is not healthy.
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=SwHc Fenris,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0d7gRJFq,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2016-02-23T14:56:06.340+0000)
Those things are individually not a bad thing to have, but combined in an Assassins kit is not healthy.
But... why? What does Nidalee having those things actually do that's bad? It's bad when champions do too many things if doing those things covers up a weakness they should have or makes them too good at too many things, but Nidalee has very few strengths despite how many things her kit can do and her ability to heal allies/put kind-of-wards around the map doesn't cover up a weakness she's supposed to have.
If anything we should be praising Nidalee's utiliy because it allows her to remain useful in at least some way when she's not doing well. I can't imagine how much more snowbally she'd be if she was literally just mobility and damage but I'm pretty certain it'd be a lot less fun to play against her if they loaded the power they put into her utility into just raw damage and mobility.
Sahn Uzal1 votesShe has the tools to snowball out of control and litterally making the enemie jungler non-existent. Her skillcap is the only thing that allows her to be in this state.
Even some Rioter commented on a question related to nid. I'm not gonna put it as a quote, because I don't remember the exact words. But it bascially came down to: ''Nids kit is kind of a mess but he does enjoy watching a good nidalee play''
That'll be my last comment here. Talking about balance and game health on the boards is like asking trump-... I'm not gonna make that joke.
But everyone is way too biased :P
Nobody wants their champions to get nerfed, everyone wants their champions to be considered balanced and fair.
Apocyliptic3 votesYou prove a good point, but these boards hate champions with a highskill cap and thus needing to also outplay their kits. The Boards are full of ignorance, and hate any kind of assassin, especially Nidalee cause God forbid you have to dodge a skillshot.
Mael bro1 votes"Just dodge the spears" - Every Nidalee ever.
The Whamboozler1 votesGod forbid you have to dodge a skillshot** every 4 seconds with the penalty for not doing so being nearly instant death**.
There... I fixed that for you.
Apocyliptic1 votesWith the slowest moving skillshot alongside the smallest hitbox in the game. If you get hit with it, you deserve to take damage, and more importantly, unless she's fed, or you are isolated, you won't die.
The Whamboozler1 votesWell I was doing well. I dodged the first 15 she threw. The 16th tho I got a little sloppy because I sneezed and she managed to hit me. Then she turned into a cat and I died instantly. Slow or not, it's coming at you from the fog of war, it's spammable, and she really only needs to land ONE to kill you or force you from lane. Oh, and sometimes it's invisible.
Let me bring up a hypothetical situation here for you. Say a new champ was released tomorrow and they do exactly ONE thing Their Q is a narrow skillshot that minions can block... but if you're hit with it you lose 50% of your max health in true damage. If you're hit twice... you're dead. Would this seem like fair design? Let's make that skillshot slow, since it's so strong. Is it healthy design now?
No. It's not. Every match against this champ would be hideously obnoxious! If he got lucky and tagged you once, you'd need to back or risk death. Oh sure it would be your fault if it hit you... but he only has to hit you twice and he's spamming it non-stop for the entire 30 minute game. Every 5 seconds, dodge this or you're boned. No one would ever want to play against this guy! That is the most awful, frustrating lane ever. What's more, if he couldn't land his move often enough he would be utterly useless, since he has nothing else to fall back on! That is Nidalee in a nutshell. She's either mind-rapingly annoying and obnoxious to fight, or pretty useless.
And you think I'm exaggerating but a full-range nid spear on a carry often does MORE than half their health in damage! Now keep in mind that Nid also has the entire rest of her kit to fall back on too. But it doesn't make her primary play pattern any less obnoxious. She throws a spear from a mile away every 4 seconds until either she runs oom, she kills you or you're forced to B so she won't kill you. She'll never come near you unless she's trying to burst you after you've eaten a spear... and if you're not tanky she'll only need to catch you ONCE for that to be possible.
Apocyliptic1 votesI know you're not exaggerating; a full range Nidalee spear DOES in fact take around half of the opposing ADC's health away... not that any of it matters because of his lifesteal and what not. The juicest target for Nidalee is actually the mid laner most of the time, because he can't sustain back up.
Thing is, your hypothetical situation isn't what nidalee is. You gave me a hypothetical situation in order to be like, "See, this is what Nidalee is," but it's quite simply not. Nidalee, in order to kill her target, unless the opposing enemy isn't chunked already, has to go in to kill her target. This is why she falls off SO HARD late game, because you simply CANNOT jump into a teamfight as an initiator and kill someone, unless your going for more of a bruiser build, which at that point, you don't have enough damage to kill the opposing carry yourself anyway.
Nidalee isn't completely useless if she's not snowballing either. She has her heal and her W which gives vision, which is one of the reasons she's played in the lcs.
As for the invisible spear problem, never have I since I've been playing this game dealt with invisible nidalee spears. Granted, I started playing after the problem was solved... my first ranked season was 5. However, it's no longer an issue, and I've played against a lot of Nidalee's. This bug people complain about is their idea of an excuse to gut her. And, if she's tossing spears out of the Fog of War, unless it's laning phase, your team is the one playing chicken with her in the jungle, which is a place nidalee thrives. That is your guys misplay... I can't stand it when my team chases nidalee in the jungle for this reason and the amount of back pings I throw down on the map is immense.
If she lands a full range spear, you deserve to lose most of your health. It's incredibly hard to hit. This is the same reason Morgana's Q has a 2 second snare time and what not. It's not only because of the nature of it as a spell (snaring someone in place from a range) it's because it's a medium ranged skillshot that is slowmoving.
The Whamboozler1 votesLook dude, I don't even think she's OP or anything. I just think she's very, incredibly, HIDEOUSLY obnoxious because of her kit and the playstyle it encourages. I think she lacks interaction with the enemy unless SHE chooses to have it... and that she's VERY hard to force into a vulnerable spot. Despite this safety, she is annoying as anything has a right to be tossing those spears at you every few seconds because if even one hits you half your health is gone. She doesn't NEED to all-in you to push you out of lane, stop a splitpush or poke you off an objective... she just needs to hit you ONCE. If you fight, you're low and it's likely to go against you. If you don't, her team gets an objective for free. She took NO risk for this.
THAT is what I, and most people mean when they say nid is low risk. It means she does NOT get put at risk unless she chooses to put herself at risk. She can and will lob spears at you all day, and you can't punish her for doing it or for missing. You can only play dodgeball until she runs oom and she hops away... or you can hard engage her team and avoid giving her the CHANCE to poke at you all day. Either way, Nidalee is apart from the fight until she's decided she wants to join. She NEVER has to make herself vulnerable if she doesn't want to.
Handin Out Naps3 votes"Assassin's shouldn't be safe" "Nidalee is a healthy assassin, she only has constant long range poke/seige potential, a heal, and constant leaps." Yep, nothing wrong here.
SnugglePuggle942 votesThat "long range poke" is a huge skillshot that is tricky to hit. So yes I think she's balanced over the others like Zed and what not.
The Whamboozler1 votes"Tricky to hit" eh? Well that's ok... she's not punished AT ALL for missing one. She can just keep trying until she gets it, then jump in and kill you. Would Lux be balanced if she could ult every 4 seconds but it was half it's width and traveled slower? Would Ez? No. She isn't punished for whiffing a spear. She can just wait a few seconds then toss another one. Sooner or later, someone eats one and loses 1/3 their health then gets nid dove. Oh sure, if their team is there Nid can't afford to dive in... but the more people are there the more likely she is to tag someone with a spear for like 500, so....
Yeah, screw nidalee. She's obnoxious and poorly designed. They'd never make a champ like her these days.
SnugglePuggle941 votesUh yea she is punished for missing her spear. It has a high mana cost and by the time you throw a couple, you're about to go oom. And not all the time can she dive in even after hitting one, especially if the enemy has a stun or higher dps or something. She's like Kat, she needs to poke them down more than just hitting one spear or 2-3 blade bounces.
"She's obnoxious and poorly designed?" THAT is the pure description of ZED. Nidalee is balanced, well designed, and much easier to deal with than that piece of crap.
The Whamboozler1 votesAnd at what point during this process can Nid's opponent affect her? Her spears outrange nearly everyone and can heal what poke she DOES take. There is no power in the hands of her enemy to outplay her. She can either land a spear and then kill you... miss too many and run oom and just kinda walk away... or she can poke the enemy down so they have to bail. She's near-impossible to get in on or kill unless SHE messes up and let you in, or she dives in and misplays. The entire thing is in her hands.
Not many people can dive the length of the lane to all-in her even if she HAS gone oom (she can still turn cat and kill you while oom, BTW so this isn't even a real weak spot). And she can heal herself to resist being poked til she has to flee too.
Are you just mad because zed is like... the only guy who can dive at a half-decent nid player?
SwiftKitten882 votesAnd at what point during this process can Nid's opponent affect her? Her spears outrange nearly everyone and can heal what poke she DOES take. There is no power in the hands of her enemy to outplay her. She can either land a spear and then kill you... miss too many and run oom and just kinda walk away... or she can poke the enemy down so they have to bail. She's near-impossible to get in on or kill unless SHE messes up and let you in, or she dives in and misplays. The entire thing is in her hands.
Not many people can dive the length of the lane to all-in her even if she HAS gone oom (she can still turn cat and kill you while oom, BTW so this isn't even a real weak spot). And she can heal herself to resist being poked til she has to flee too.
Are you just mad because zed is like... the only guy who can dive at a half-decent nid player?
umm if she misses a spear then go in on her? thats the perfect time to engage. She wont be able to proc hunted until she can throw another spear and she cant trade until hunted is proced. if you go in on her after she missed a spear she either has to leave (aka lose the objective) or die. even when the spear is back up you are going to be much closer and it wont hit you for very much even if she does land it this time.
The Whamboozler1 votesGo in on her? I don't think you understand how difficult that is. The range on her spears is massive and she likes to throw them from nearly max range for extra burst... so you'd need a MASSIVE gapcloser to reach her. I'm pretty sure even the patron saint of hard-engages 
can't reach her from her max spear range with his ult. He could flash, I suppose... but that just kinda proves how balls hard she is to reach. On top of that she's got a jump to further put distance between you. Good luck hard-engaging her after a missed spear unless she was dumb enough to throw it from very short range.
Second issue... she's likely either hugging her tower, one hop from hugging her tower, hiding in the fog of war, or in a group of her teammates when she tosses that spear. So say you actually CAN manage to get to her after a miss... AND she can't hop away. Well now you have other problems, since you're either eating tower shots or her team has collapsed on you. Even if your team is also nearby, it's very likely they are unable or unwilling to pop flash AND a gap closer to leap into her face too, so for all intents and purposes you just blitz-grabbed yourself into their tower/team. If you're a tanky engage champ this might work out (Although if you are it's unlikely you could have killed nidalee on your own anyway) but if you're a squishy assassin (You know the champs with the only real chance of actually killing Nid) you're probably dead. She'll pop her heal and kite using her hop as best she can... or just jump and burst you... her cougar form does decent damage even without her mark, and you're eating damage from her tower or teammates too.
BEST CASE scenario is she tossed it from the fog of war. This gives her a lot of options to juke you as you try to come in, since you won't see which way she's moving until you get there... it also makes targetted abilities and gapclosers useless, so there goes a few of the handful of champs capable of reaching her. She ALSO probably tossed that spear over a wall, so I hope you can leap one too! Even if you can do all this, you're blind facechecking in the hopes that she's alone. She might not be. "You have been slain". Also due to her increased MS in bushes (abundant in the jungle, I've heard) and ability to hop walls on a low cooldown ability she can even use when oom, she's more likely to juke and escape you in the jungle than nearly anywhere else. Even if you had a ward on her and know she's alone you are by NO MEANS assured you'll get her. You might just blow ult, flash and a ton of mana trying and see her hop away spamming her mastery icon, only to heal herself up 10 seconds later.
I think you're biased here dude. Nidalee is one of, if not THE hardest champ in the game to get in on if she's playing properly. Lux, Xerath and Ziggs... the other long-range poke champs are slow, immobile and squishy. Nidalee is... a little squishy if you build her that way. That's IT. She's probably the safest champ in the game. She's got a fierce skillcap, but failing at nidalee usually means either missing every spear and not mattering or jumping in when you shouldn't and dying. Both mistakes are on Nidalee. She lacks counterplay and is poorly designed because her enemy has very little affect on her unless SHE messes up. There's little room to outplay a nidalee playing well.
SwiftKitten881 votesGo in on her? I don't think you understand how difficult that is. The range on her spears is massive and she likes to throw them from nearly max range for extra burst... so you'd need a MASSIVE gapcloser to reach her. I'm pretty sure even the patron saint of hard-engages
Second issue... she's likely either hugging her tower, one hop from hugging her tower, hiding in the fog of war, or in a group of her teammates when she tosses that spear. So say you actually CAN manage to get to her after a miss... AND she can't hop away. Well now you have other problems, since you're either eating tower shots or her team has collapsed on you. Even if your team is also nearby, it's very likely they are unable or unwilling to pop flash AND a gap closer to leap into her face too, so for all intents and purposes you just blitz-grabbed yourself into their tower/team. If you're a tanky engage champ this might work out (Although if you are it's unlikely you could have killed nidalee on your own anyway) but if you're a squishy assassin (You know the champs with the only real chance of actually killing Nid) you're probably dead. She'll pop her heal and kite using her hop as best she can... or just jump and burst you... her cougar form does decent damage even without her mark, and you're eating damage from her tower or teammates too.
BEST CASE scenario is she tossed it from the fog of war. This gives her a lot of options to juke you as you try to come in, since you won't see which way she's moving until you get there... it also makes targetted abilities and gapclosers useless, so there goes a few of the handful of champs capable of reaching her. She ALSO probably tossed that spear over a wall, so I hope you can leap one too! Even if you can do all this, you're blind facechecking in the hopes that she's alone. She might not be. "You have been slain". Also due to her increased MS in bushes (abundant in the jungle, I've heard) and ability to hop walls on a low cooldown ability she can even use when oom, she's more likely to juke and escape you in the jungle than nearly anywhere else. Even if you had a ward on her and know she's alone you are by NO MEANS assured you'll get her. You might just blow ult, flash and a ton of mana trying and see her hop away spamming her mastery icon, only to heal herself up 10 seconds later.
I think you're biased here dude. Nidalee is one of, if not THE hardest champ in the game to get in on if she's playing properly. Lux, Xerath and Ziggs... the other long-range poke champs are slow, immobile and squishy. Nidalee is... a little squishy if you build her that way. That's IT. She's probably the safest champ in the game. She's got a fierce skillcap, but failing at nidalee usually means either missing every spear and not mattering or jumping in when you shouldn't and dying. Both mistakes are on Nidalee. She lacks counterplay and is poorly designed because her enemy has very little affect on her unless SHE messes up. There's little room to outplay a nidalee playing well.
nidalee donest need to "mess up" for you to go in on her its not like the spears are hard to dodge.. if nidalee is indeed throwing a spear at max range at you have have AMPLE time to dodge it. and if she thinks that spear is going to hit you she will be walking forward after the throw to get within pounce range.
if all nid plans on doing is throwing spears form a distance and NEVER plans to jump in, then yes you cant really engage on her without a large gap closer. but if nidalee ever plans on going in for the kill she NEEDS to get within melee range... and its not like game isnt completly filled with nidalee hardcounters that nid cant take down regardless of anything. any tank, any bruiser, and "juggernaut" isnt going to give a rats ass if a spear hits them.. nid cant go in. nid cant go in if your groups becuase she would instantly melt once she go in range.
you saying nid is hard to engage on. yes she is. but for nid to win ANY fight SHE needs to engage on YOU.
you say she is the "safest champion in the game" thats complete bullshit. and you list a buch of other "long range poke champs" all of those long range poke champs have some sort of CC AND are not required to get into melee range for a kill. not to mention all those "poke" champs you listed have a AOE skills that donest stop at the first target and and can all go through minions
nidalee isn't going to kill you if she just sits back and throws spears all day and she donest have the mana to do that even if she wanted to. if she is goign to kill you she needs to pounce in. thats is where the majority of her damage is
The Whamboozler1 votesOk, so you're making my point here that the only way to interact with Nidalee is for her to choose to go in on you.
Because I'm not talking about her balance. I'm talking about how Nidalee is VERY uninteractive... and she won't end up in your time-zone until she's landed a spear and tries to all-in you. At THAT point it's basically a stat check. THAT is why I am saying she is poorly designed. She's the safest champ in the game because she doesn't have to expose herself at all if she doesn't want to and those spears are intensely annoying if thrown all game. IF she chooses to go in and misjudges her damage she can die. But if she doesn't choose to go in there's really not much you can do to stop her from sitting in the fog of war and annoying you with huge chunks of spear damage every few seconds.
And no, she doesn't need to go all in on you. If the teams are dancing around an objective or tower... one or two lucky spears can turn the tide of the fight for her team or at least force the enemy team to back off, giving nid's team the objective at NO risk to herself.
Those other three poke champs I mentioned? They ALL have passives that require them to get within auto attack range. Lux loses a lot of her burst without proccing her passive on you. Ziggs has an enhanced auto as well and Xerath gets mana back to keep himself from running oom. Nidalee has NO REASON to ever get that close unless SHE has chosen to. Probably because she's about to try and kill you. If she tags you with a spear and can't afford to go in... she STILL tagged you with a spear. That shit hurts!
The point I am making here, and the reason I say Nid is bad design... is that Nidalee has almost ALL the control in whether or not she wants to interact with the enemy. Unlike other long-ranged champs she is VERY mobile and she has a heal to remove poke. She's hard to force into a bad position and almost every time you actually fight her it will be on her terms. Meanwhile if you dodge Xerath's stun or Lux's bind and get on them, they die in a stiff wind and have no escapes whatsoever.
SnugglePuggle941 votesHer opponent, if they have longer range then say like Annie or what not, can outpoke her, for instance like Zed or Morgana. Sure she can walk away if oom, but no she can not kill with one cat combo if she hadn't hit a spear. That would leave them with a little health, and if they were also trying to 1 v 1, if she was oom and got them low, but then couldn't finish them off and switches to reach for that heal.....she's dead cause she went too far with poking with her spears. So yes it is a weak spot.
Zed can dive her. Kat can get in and out since Nid has nothing to stop her ult. Diana can stick real well to her when she ults and uses her E.
Sure she can heal up poke....also high mana cost. If her opponent is poking like crazy because they have energy costs or no mana, she has to constantly be using her heal, and then she has no mana to poke, and is waiting for her regen so she can heal back up again. Trust me I've had some games like that before.
No. I'm not mad, though I do hate Zed. If I wasn't mistaken, I think you are just a biased Nidalee hater that thinks she's way too overpowered when she is really fine. Just like the butthurt complainers who say Annie is OP because they weren't smart enough to stay out of her range and got a Tibbers stun up their ass.
The Whamboozler1 votesHer opponent, if they have longer range then say like Annie or what not, can outpoke her, for instance like Zed or Morgana. Sure she can walk away if oom, but no she can not kill with one cat combo if she hadn't hit a spear. That would leave them with a little health,** and if they were also trying to 1 v 1, if she was oom and got them low, but then couldn't finish them off and switches to reach for that heal.....she's dead cause she went too far with poking with her spears. So yes it is a weak spot. **
Zed can dive her. Kat can get in and out since Nid has nothing to stop her ult. Diana can stick real well to her when she ults and uses her E.
Sure she can heal up poke....also high mana cost. If her opponent is poking like crazy because they have energy costs or no mana, she has to constantly be using her heal, and then she has no mana to poke, and is waiting for her regen so she can heal back up again. Trust me I've had some games like that before.
No. I'm not mad, though I do hate Zed. If I wasn't mistaken, I think you are just a biased Nidalee hater that thinks she's way too overpowered when she is really fine. Just like the butthurt complainers who say Annie is OP because they weren't smart enough to stay out of her range and got a Tibbers stun up their ass.
Ok, first of all that swing both ways. I think you're a biased nid player defending her because he likes her.
Two... look at that bolded section. IF she goes oom throwing spears and chooses to go in anyway with her cougar form she'll die. The situation you placed her in where she is vulnerable is one where Nidalee herself has to be the one to make the mistake. THAT is why she's poorly designed. She has been throwing spears at you so hard she's now oom, and your hope to kill her is entirely on whether SHE goes in anyway like a moron?
No dude... Nidalee's only weakness is that she can't really carry. If your team gets ahead and can force objectives instead of dancing around them in a long siege throwing spells at each other... she's pretty useless. She can't waveclear and she's not a great teamfighter either... so if four tanky meatheads and a carry just tower dive her team and butcher them, she can't do anything more than toss spears from a mile away to be as annoying as possible. She can't help her TEAM if THEY get hard engaged on. She's still not vulnerable herself unless she chooses to go in, and the winning team will usually just ignore her and not even bother trying to chase her down and kill her. They'll just take down objectives, knowing she can't come in on THEM without dying.
That isn't good design either. To have such a narrow niche means she's a balance nightmare. If she CAN do one of the two things she's good at (siege an objective or ambush someone alone and burst them) she's obnoxious and badly lacks counterplay... and if she CAN'T manage to do those things she may as well afk for all she matters since that's ALL she can do. It's binary gameplay and it's bad design.
SnugglePuggle941 votesI am not a biased nid player. I just know when someone is being biased and extremely stupid.
Anyhow, what I said can go both ways. If she goes in while she's oom that's her mistake. But if her enemy laner decides to 1 v 1 her, she has no mana to heal or throw a spear and all she has is her cougar form. That is a weakness there.
I've carried many times with Nidalee. She's a great team fighter, what the fuck? I have helped people stay alive while dealing a shit ton of damage in fights. Honestly I think you are ridiculous. She can help people if they get engaged on by healing them and zoning them away with her spears and cougar if necessary.
She isn't a bad design and can split push well with her mobility. Her waveclear might be shitty if it's a low elo bronze player that doesn't know how, but it's fine with me.
The Whamboozler1 votesStooping to personal attacks doesn't make your point you know... it's a fallacy. Because I disagree with you I'm apparently "extremely stupid"? Up until now we've been debating this point with actual freaking reasons and more meat to the argument than just "I hate that champ so they're OP because I'm MAD!" that you see in every internet argument ever. Then you stoop to name calling? Honestly?
Agree to disagree, but don't just pull a "you're a stupidhead so there!" on me. Nidalee is badly designed. She is utter, obnoxious frustration incarnate to play against due to her lack of interaction. I'm sorry if you like her, but that is MY OPINION. I main LUX and I feel Nidalee is obnoxious with her keep-away game. Every time she's strong in the meta she becomes a MASSIVE problem balance-wise because of it, too. Right now she's only so-so... which is why you're not seeing rage posts about her anymore. But if the meta every shifts and she becomes viable so she's in more than one game out of every 50 or so, you will see the boards FULL of people who are tired of seeing her dance around tossing spears for a month without you having any response to her. Because that is what she does! And if they ever want to balance her, they'll need to give her less of an obnoxious, safe but with high rewards playstyle.
SnugglePuggle941 votesI didn't call you stupid. Just said I know when someone is being stupid, which the more you talk the more I think you that you are.
LOL that's your problem right there. You play immobile mage with skill shots like Lux and complain about those like Nid who are fast and high damage. Dude I've beaten Nid with Lux before, it's quite an easy matchup.
Personally, the way you rage about her, it's hard not to see how biased you are. Maybe you should sit down and read over how you are talking. Then you could see how we think of you.
The Whamboozler1 votes[deleted]
SnugglePuggle941 votesWow. Reporting you.
I did not reduce us to that. You just did. I didn't cuss. You verbally harassed.
The Whamboozler1 votesYou missed both the sarcasm and the point of that post. I was pointing out that calling me stupid by not calling me stupid but IMPLYING stupidity is a thing that exists and I happen to fit it... is still calling me stupid. Then I put down a over the top and CENSORED insult that I thought was obviously a joke due to how utterly goofy it was and added "no offense" to mock how you insulted me indirectly then said "but I'm not insulting you, so it's k". I understand satire is a lost art... but I don't know if I could have made that any more clear.
It's a moot point, you're not going to listen because you're dead set in your opinion and all the discussion led to was basically "well you're stupid", so I think this talk is over. Report me if you want, I guess. I wasn't aware a few @ and $ were report-worthy, but hey... you're gonna do what you wanna do, logic or common-sense be damned.
SnugglePuggle941 votes[slayer-jinx-unamused]
The Whamboozler1 votesThat was my response as well.
SerBlaise2 votesSo.... if assassins shouldn't have stealth in their kit....what class should?
Restless Slumber2 votesNidalee is one of my mains. I would agree that she's a healthy assassin. One of the major flaws with her that I find is inability to carry when your team has fed the enemies. She has major troubles with doing her job when someone on the enemy team is fed because of the amount of damage that she will take when trying to pounce in. This is what makes her balanced in my eyes.
Cloud2732 votesI just wanted to bring up one more point about her. Nidalee's abilities are mostly single target (except for one of her moves in cougar form). If you have good waveclear, she's gonna have a hard time. If you want to not get nuked by Nidalee, all you have to do is shove the wave. It's literally that easy. Minions are very good at blocking spears for you. Other assassins don't have the same issues as her because they have ways of bypassing the minions. I mean, look at Zed. His shurikens go right through the wave. And minions don't attack you when you're stealthed, so don't expect them to help you when Shaco, Rengar, etc come after you. If Nidalee jumps into your minion wave, she's going to take a lot of damage, and probably miss her spear.
My point is, other assassins can actually hurt you regardless of how many minions you have. Nidalee is going to have a very hard time killing anyone if you have decent waveclear.
SwiftKitten882 votesnidalee is the most balanced assasin out there.
as some other people have pointed out.. nidalee NEEDS to land her spear to do any decent damage. and while she CAN throw that form long range.
her spear has a 6 second cooldown in a teamfight she can poke but unless she pounces in.. all you have coming at you is one spear that can be dodge or stopped by standing behind minions.
nidalee is a burst assassin but she NEEDS to land a spear to do it..
the only champion who has a similar requirement is 
who as another person already pointed out, only needs to land the skillshot if she wants to go in for FREE. nidalee cant go in AT ALL unless she lands the skillshot.. plus when she does go in she isnt as tanky and doesn't have a shield like daina does.
i know everyone says "just dodge the spears" but frankly.. if you CAN dodge the spears you will NEVER lose to nidalee. nidalee will NEVER win ANY trade unless hunted is proced. because unless it is proced even if she DOES pounce in with a normal pounce it wont reset for the pounce out (because you were not hunted)
so when people say "just dodge the spear" it really IS that simple. and its not like its HARD to dodge. its pretty fucking easy if you know where nid is.
so to reiterate nidalee is a squishy assassin with no CC and who's entire kit is based around landed one of the hardest skillshots in the game in order to do ANY damage.
and it not like she can even instantly delete you if she DOES land a spear.. nid is so squishy and the fact that pouncing in reqires her to get in melee range means she is prone to almost every ability in the game. stuns, silences, roots, fears, nid has to be absolutely sures she can make it out after she pounces in before she can even take advantage of that extra damage.
THAT is the definition of high risk high reward nidalee is THE prime example of a healthly assassin...
Billy VoHagen1 votesDiana has to land Q before blowing you up. And she uses mana also.
LaughingMan112 votesDiana actually doesnt need to land her Q before blowing you up, it just gives her a little extra burst to make blowing you up faster, or help prevent you from flashing way.
The Whamboozler1 votesThis applies to Nidalee too, dude.