LichBane with spellvamp

LilxPaprika··1 votes·1,912 views

Here to make spellvamp relevant again. as well as changing lichbane's identity from a 1 shot burst item for +600 ap mages. into an item more similar to trinity force, that's good on its own.
explanation:

So to make lichbane similar to triforce lets break triforce's sheen proc trinity force 200% base dmg plus 10% crit lets say you have 115 base dmg at lvl 18. that's 230 dmg. plus 10% crit. say you have 300 ad crit doubles it so you have 10% chance to do an additional 300 damage. so overall thats 30 damage. That's without IE of course.

With variations; base ad, your current ad and infinity edge. so overall thats about 260 damage on hit at level 18. give or take about 30 damage with a few outliers.

Lichbane on hit should aim for something similar with maybe a tad bit more dmg because it has fewer base stats, less ap and no health or phage passive. though less costly. so 200% base ad plus (25% magic damage to a maximum of 60 additional magic damage). This encourages building some ap but no so much that it wouldn't be effective on its own. this way you could just build wits end lichbane and call it a day if you wanted to. Much like you can currently build wits end and triforce on irelia and call it a day.

http://i.imgur.com/hxfYRP3.jpg I went with 60% spellvamp so its like having 12% lifesteal with triforce. with 6% spellvamp from quintessences it'd be sort of like having 4.5 lifesteal from runes.60% of 26 = 15.6 spellvamp. nothing too serious and at the cost of having less dmg. Along with this change you have the following reworked rageblade: http://i.imgur.com/OwB4sEa.jpg

with the addition of luden's echo it allows lichbane to serve a slightly different role. It can still be combined with luden's of course for ap characters that simply want the burst.

Other minor things: I might give lichbane 300 base mana as well. Such that it can be more reliable as a sole source of mana if someone is conservative with their mana use. It would also pair a bit better with archangel staff and rightly so if its to become a bit more of a bruiser item. Since you get a shield and spellvamp, you could survive long enough to use lichbane enough times to make it worth while. As opposed to glass cannons who risk their lives just to get one spellblade off. As such lich bane will be a bit more useful over time much like trinity force is compared to ie. IE is more do or die while triforce gives a bit more utility/guerilla warfare power.

While it has less hp than triforce since it'll be good on its own it allows tanky bruisers like gragas to choose among other tanky items as opposed to stacking more ap. The 100 ap also helps many champions with things like heals/shields that translate into a form of health.

In the end you're likier to get your spellblade off one more time than as squishy glass cannon that isn't getting enough peel. And you're likely to live long enough to perhaps land an extra cc, or use another supportive spell to help your team out.

It will help out the neglected hybrid characters a lot. as well as dust off items that are hardly used. and as a tank id rather equip both mr and armor then to have armor get shredded by armor pen as is the case in the current meta. So i really don't think mixed damage/bruiser characters are as much of a threat as they are made out to be. won't be as much of a nuisance to itemize against as it is vs the combined static shiv and lastwhisper.

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Kitten of Evil1 votes

I would like more hybrid itemization, but I think Lichbane's in a fine spot now. It's core, or at least very good, on a few auto-attack mage champions:

Lux Viktor TwistedFate

I honestly don't think Lichbane is worth it on pure spellcaster mages like Vel'Koz, Anivia, Malzahar, and so on. Nothing about the AA proc would make it good on them.

LilxPaprika1 votes

but now that we have luden's you can still achieve a similar result. Granted itemizing that much movementspeed would be somewhat excessive and as such would likely be one or the other. so that won't really apply. although the extra movement speed would help you recharge echo faster.

Nor will lichbane not be any less viable on those champions. In fact tf can make great use of gunblade or rageblade. I just looked up lux's Illumination and it applies spellvamp though at a 30% effectiveness. still it'll appear more significant with spellblade. And the way the current lux is being played she is not as likely to go for her illuminations in fact i've seen her get played a lot less often with lich bane ever since it got nerfed. Since its very risky for her to use it. The sustain would help. Particularly since she has a shield as well she was meant to get a bit closer to the fight. Illumination is also a considerable source of her damage. its no wonder she's not seen much in the lcs.

also in its current form lich bane is built on those champions often as the last item much like atmas used to be build after a warmogs etc.

making lichbane first or second item on these champions will be awesome. particularly immediately after zhonia's since tf can be pretty vulnerable without one as first item.

Juggernaut6281 votes

The problem about the Lich Bane change is that with only 60 AP on hit at max, Fizz will have no burst considering that his current kit needs the extra damage from Lich Bane to stay viable. I know anybody who doesn't play Fizz would like these changes, but Fizz players would stop playing Fizz due to his new-found uselessness.

LilxPaprika1 votes

If anything fizz has shown us that triforce works fine on him. And this lichbane will be very similar to triforce. It will also pair better with wits end then a triforce would. It would be as though he had black cleaver. Right now people have been playing him full ad pretty much. Nightblue went full attack speed and ad mastery last I saw him play. Fizz's recent changes made him do more persistent dmg and rely on auto attacks more than the old burst 1 shot fizz. So this would actually suit fizz a lot more. Its a sad state when you find a champion that scale so much with ap jump straight to full ad builds. Going right by gunblade and choosing bortk instead. Wouldn't gunblade wits end lichbane make more sense?

Juggernaut6281 votes

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If anything fizz has shown us that triforce works fine on him. And this lichbane will be very similar to triforce. It will also pair better with wits end then a triforce would. It would be as though he had black cleaver. Right now people have been playing him full ad pretty much. Nightblue went full attack speed and ad mastery last I saw him play. Fizz's recent changes made him do more persistent dmg and rely on auto attacks more than the old burst 1 shot fizz. So this would actually suit fizz a lot more. Its a sad state when you find a champion that scale so much with ap jump straight to full ad builds. Going right by gunblade and choosing bortk instead. Wouldn't gunblade wits end lichbane make more sense?

I'm with the AP Fizz people who actually know what they are doing.

LilxPaprika1 votes

I'm with the AP Fizz people who actually know what they are doing.

FYI zionspartan plays for clg in the LCS, cyanide is also and commentator/analysis at the desk. And they build him like so. I go by probuilds.net. challenger/master tier players build him that way. Just saying

Secondly that's not the point.

The changes to fizzz has shown us that he can still faceroll with the burst you get from triforce. And that sheen works well when you can survive long enough to use it multiple times. As seen here http://youtu.be/q1oY1gs_MOc Fizz is also great in the jungle which is partly why botrk is so useful for sustain. Hence why I think gunblade could do the job.

Lastly I'm also thinking it would be cool if we could keep both item. No reason they couldn't coexist. add a toggle option like so: http://i.imgur.com/p3F9wby.jpg

this would be a great way to test both side by side in the pbe

StarMerge1 votes

.....wtf? "60% of 26 = 15.6 spellvamp" Where the hell do you come up with all these numbers? You can't just make AP items work like AD items, because AP champions don't work like AD champions. Also, AD fizz has the advantage of sustain, which is why he can stay within melee more reliably and THAT's why TriForce works on him. With an AP build that wouldn't work so well.

LilxPaprika1 votes

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.....wtf? "60% of 26 = 15.6 spellvamp" Where the hell do you come up with all these numbers? You can't just make AP items work like AD items, because AP champions don't work like AD champions. Also, AD fizz has the advantage of sustain, which is why he can stay within melee more reliably and THAT's why TriForce works on him. With an AP build that wouldn't work so well.

i'm talking about the damage dealt to someone. of the 26, 20 would be from having gunblade and the 6% is from 3 times 2% spellvamp quints. agreed wasn't clear, and idk why i went about it this way. ap fizz wouldn't be played anydifferently, honestly just number wise if you look past labels ap or ad they can both be played the same.

gunblade would fit champions that have similar kits to ad counterparts (hybrid champs in particular). like evelyn, kayle, shaco, poppy, nidalee, fizz, udyr, jax , akali, warwick, skarner, mordekaiser. this wouldn't necessarily be for you average mage.

lichbane reasoning http://imgur.com/ie1gASU gunblade http://imgur.com/gm6L44w rageblade http://imgur.com/FZUfJbU

together would create a really cool package

blog i started talks about all this pretty extensively, as well as spellvamp formula improvements imo https://mocklolpatchnotes.wordpress.com/

StarMerge1 votes

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i'm talking about the damage dealt to someone. of the 26, 20 would be from having gunblade and the 6% is from 3 times 2% spellvamp quints. agreed wasn't clear, and idk why i went about it this way. ap fizz wouldn't be played anydifferently, honestly just number wise if you look past labels ap or ad they can both be played the same.

gunblade would fit champions that have similar kits to ad counterparts (hybrid champs in particular). like evelyn, kayle, shaco, poppy, nidalee, fizz, udyr, jax , akali, warwick, skarner, mordekaiser. this wouldn't necessarily be for you average mage.

lichbane reasoning http://imgur.com/ie1gASU gunblade http://imgur.com/gm6L44w rageblade http://imgur.com/FZUfJbU

together would create a really cool package

blog i started talks about all this pretty extensively, as well as spellvamp formula improvements imo https://mocklolpatchnotes.wordpress.com/

Still not making any sense.

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