The ACTUAL problem with Riven

SaltyToplaneGoat·Aug 6, 2015·1 votes·512 views

I personally like her design as a melee brawler, but I finally found out why she is so furstrating to play against - and strangely it is not tied to her kit.

It's . One item that gives her everything she needs and with some CDR boots she can hit 40% super early. And this is exactly where this frustration playing against her comes from. Usually ressource free champions are gated by their cooldowns, but that falls kind of flat with 40% CDR.

On top of THAT the item builds into , which adds a crit roulette ( a luck factor with no drawbacks) and even MORE mobility. As if she wasn't hopping around enough with all that cdr...

Tl,DR: It's an itemisation problem and this si where it should be looked at. Or maybe just increase her cooldowns a little.

7 Comments

MohawkBirdAug 6, 20152 votes

I feel like it's definitely more of a kit problem. Specifically with Riven's degree of animation cancelling. I think it would be best if they removed animation cancelling, but buffed her in other spots for compensation.

SaltyToplaneGoatAug 6, 20151 votes

It's just many things that come together that make her so frustrating to play against. I think to the biggest part its the efficiency of brutalizer combined with animation cancelling. If they changed those two things. As a temporary fix I would recommend a slight cooldown nerf across her kit, but that doesn't remove the root of the problem.

ErockandrollAug 6, 20151 votes

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I feel like it's definitely more of a kit problem. Specifically with Riven's degree of animation cancelling. I think it would be best if they removed animation cancelling, but buffed her in other spots for compensation.

I might speed up the animations some, just to give it a similar feel. She should have some base level DPS, though not as fast as she has now.

But over all, making the dividing line between pro and noob, an unintentional mechanic that's hard to pull off, just wasn't a good design choice.

MohawkBirdAug 6, 20151 votes

I completely agree. Most Riven's say that if you remove animation cancelling she will be garbage, which I am not denying. But it shouldn't be a problem as long as they buff her in other spots to make up for it.

53436278DEL1Aug 6, 20151 votes

pretty much lol it was worse with the old cleaver though

Riven MainAug 6, 20151 votes

To be honest, it isn't the cooldown that's a problem, crit on riven you may take a 1% crit rune, but that's about it. crit riven used to be pretty nice, but with the change of infinity edge 20% chance instead of 25% it harmed her abit. her shield E has been already nerfed from 3 seconds to 1 second with other item decreases even most recently hp regen quints being nerfed as bonus hp. making a tank riven much less effective. What I'm trying to say is people have trouble fighting her, because they aren't trying to learn how to react to her and allowing her to level 2 before them. dominating the lane and freezing people laugh at teemo, but him quinn and vayne are some of the best at it and is a good reason to why these champions exist in the top lane

SaltyToplaneGoatAug 6, 20151 votes

Well, the crit is not really a big problem here, but a small factor that plays into it. I mean you all know that feeling of "getting that lucky crit" - it just makes it more frustrating to play against her.

Well, there is a way of fighting against riven. My personal strategy is poking her squishy ass down so she can't even engage in the first place (or at least has to take a high risk when doing so). But with the CDR so easily aviable, it almost HALFES the time window you can do that in. And in that time she can fall back easily without missing much cs. That's the actual problem I think...