I just had a game where our bottom lane was auto-filled and our mid, top, and jungle were all fed. And we still lost the game, because the enemy bottom lane won bottom and those roles carry too much power.
This needs to be changed. The entire game's outcome shouldn't be contingent on which bottom lane has better players.
Blåbæret48 votesOther lanes don't even matter. This is nothing new. I've had countless game where mid and top wrecked their lane, but the games still being 100% unwinnable to due ADCs taking up at least 70% of a team's power budget. Marksmenn are so freaking broken. Supports need to be equipped to support TEAMS not ADCs.
Kaeblen6 voteswhat kind of abilities would you propose to do this better?
MuffledGarbage25 votesMore weaker small area AOE heals like 
and 
that require a lot of mana but can be spammed in the right situations to give lots of healing.
More Tenacity-buffing moves from supports wouldn't benefit an ADC as much as it would benefit Juggernauts and help them function better in teamfights.
A change to crit that would make it more balanced would be to make it similar to 
so that it ramps up in damage the more you attack because that would allow ADC's to be weaker against the assassins that they are supposed to be weak against.
Giving tanks higher growths for base stats after laning phase(so around levels 9-11 there'd be a point in which the armor/mr growth would increase dramatically EX: 5 armor per level before level 10, 7 armor per level after level 10.
That'd give tanks a better chance to do their job later in the mid-lategame fantasy that they need to scale into.
Mokuto Bunshi5 votesWow. I agree with all these!
Potchikir4 votesi am a adc main but i agree it would be fun playing with items that ramp up damage aoe heals are good
Magistra Xayah1 votesI disagree with some of these. Mainly the buff to tenacity and armor/mr scaling for tanks. The only reliable way an adc gets away from tanks is because of what the rest of the team brings. Take Irelia for example. With the right runes, masteries, and merc treads she gets about 65% tenacity. A good, fed irelia turns into an assassin that just doesn't care about the frontline, and will jump through them not worrying about the cc. I honestly think adcs need a buff to armor shredding, or stacking armor shred other than cleaver. Take Cho'gath for example. He builds warmogs, stoneplate, and locket. Lets say he has 6 stacks. He has around 3k health, stoneplate with stoneskin gives him close to 150 armor and 6k health. (cleaver won't do anything to him, so you have to go lw), he can silence the frontline, knockup the backline, flush ult and insta burst an adc. After that because your team has no damage because you are dead, the team fight falls apart and you lose. Adc plays further back to counter this, they do no damage, and are open to assassins picking them off because you have no peel that far into the backline. Or cho just flanks and kills them anyway.
I do agree with the change to crit, rather than a flat 200%, it should scale with how many times you auto attacked to help the assassins to their job. I have been on the giving end of this many times, where an assassin who definitely has enough burst to kill me jumps on me, takes 90% of my health and then I just kill them in 2 shots. Start at 100%, every auto attack increases the crit DAMAGE done on a successful crit. If you fail to crit 5 times, it's fine because even though you didn't crit, you still increase the the damage on the next successful crit. Obviously IE would have to be changed to "Base crit damage increased by 50%". If you get a lucky first crit, you would to 150%, lucky second 160% AD ETC scaling up to the original IE at 250% crit damage after the 10th auto attack.
Kaeblen3 votesAfter that because your team has no damage because you[adc] are dead, the team fight falls apart and you lose.
your argument about Cho-gath is... well, lets be nice and just say it isn't convincing. Just because X champion is broke, and does well vs adc doesn't mean adc needs a buff. it means that X champion needs a nerf.
Somebody Love Me2 votesI agree with everything except for the tank point because I think they are fine the way they are now, if not fine, then strong
Rengooo2 votesCouldn't agree more, ramping crits would solve a lot of adc's issues (absurd burst being the primary one) whilst still being an effective way of maintaining one of their core identities - that being dps.
Azeranth2 votesI garuntee in all those games, the problem was that the mid and top laners aren't carry roles and they failed to extend their advantage into botlane. That's why they're not climbing. This current Meta requires every role to have a unique, well, role. It makes them different. ADC is the only carry except occasionally midlane. That's just the cold hard truth. And it's good. Not everyone is about carrying and it's why so many champs we're unplayable for a while. Because we seriously need to stop thinking "if you're not a carry you don't matter"
Vashtrall2 votesOther lanes don't even matter. This is nothing new. I've had countless game where mid and top wrecked their lane, but the games still being 100% unwinnable to due ADCs taking up at least 70% of a team's power budget. Marksmenn are so freaking broken. Supports need to be equipped to support TEAMS not ADCs.
I always support my team entirely, not just my adc, and we still manage to win. The support on your teams must be doing something wrong.
WDG Devour35 votesI just lost 3 games as a ADC main with the opposite scenario where I smashed the noob ADC yet I lost all three games and the noob ADC was carried by fed junglers, mid laners and top laners... do you see me making threads screaming another role is OP? lol
Blue Mystified20 votesI just lost 3 games as a ADC main with the opposite scenario where I smashed the noob ADC yet I lost all three games and the noob ADC was carried by fed junglers, mid laners and top laners... do you see me making threads screaming another role is OP? lol
this 100%. I've seen and PLAYED it (as a supp main) the complete opposite way around from what everyone's saying so many freaking times that i'm 90% convinced they don't know what they're talking about.
2Charmnot2Charm5 votesCrushing the enemy bot lane? Would be a shame if the enemy jungle, mid, and top sets up a tent for your lane because your solo laners are garbage.
Seriously the amount of times me and my adc get 2+ man ganked constantly (even when we aren't pushing) and me taking a look at the enemy mid/top tower to see that it is still full hp is rage inducing.
Smitty Manjensen3 votesI just lost 3 games as a ADC main with the opposite scenario where I smashed the noob ADC yet I lost all three games and the noob ADC was carried by fed junglers, mid laners and top laners... do you see me making threads screaming another role is OP? lol
I like how the OP ignored you and only responds to comments that are to his liking. People are so lame nowadays, just farm upvotes with ADC hate threads.
RainbowIcee2 votesDon't forget I can still murder your ADC with a simple rotation of these champs 
I would maybe put zed in there but Assasin's are a joke or a problem in league.
Yenn20 votesADC is 2-11-0, top and mid won, game is still lost. Third fucking game in a row.
notice me Sin pi3 votesconversely, i had a game where my top, jungle, and mid were feeding AND even refuse to listen to calls. Still won the game only because my adc and i won bot lane. I felt soo sorry for enemy top/jg/mid who actually deserved to win.
Spideraxe10 votesI think the reason for this is that snowballing a bot lane equals snowballing 2 people and both of those 2 people snowball really well because ADCs as a role are arguably hardest carries in game and a snowballing support typically helps proxy carries by setting up their team to carry as well as preventing the people who can hyper carry from dying
HonestJohnTheCon10 votesAs an ADC main, I'd actually appreciate this.
PePsiLemoNN10 votesIf your opinion starts with ''I just had a game...'' then don't make a post , k?
People carry from mid/jg/top all the time , if you are THAT biased that you can't see this then ... ok
Yenn7 votesJust had the exact same scenario.
Mid and top win, bottom is auto-filled and loses, game is over because enemy ADC is fed.
This is not healthy.
Dengeden7 votesYou mean the game where it went into late game with TF top, offtank Wukong and a Blitz? Yep, your teamcomp definitely had nothing to do with that.
Bottom Laner6 votesI was unaware I had this much power over the fate of games >:3
Ganked By Tilt5 votesits disgusting in high elo because its a fiesta in botlane, no one wants a losing botlane because its over if the enemy botlane wins.
SweedishGunner5 votesThis meta is fine what are you on about? Kappa.
https://i.imgur.com/SNCbvBn.png
Edit; if anyone can tell me how to make the image readable on the forums...
Thewannabegamer17 votesYou were playing against a triple crit item jinx with no tank or defensive items on your entire team that's a dumb team problem not a meta problem.
SweedishGunner4 votesWell I can't go tank Azir can I?
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesAh here we have the adc main telling us it is totally fine that an adc despite his team getting smashed left and right should be an unkillable tank rightclicking entire teams to death because he managed to buy three items. Seems like good and healthy game design. If an 5 items azir and full damage heca can't deal with an adc i don't know what to say because if you look at the rest of the team they don't even have ardent KV and RG on janna lul. Well on the other hand it absolutey doesn't matter what you build on janna. You pick janna, adc has 3 items you won the game congratz. Great meta.
muted team chat4 votesJG main checking in. Please don't make me buy support items any more so my broken adc can do dmg for me.
it be lìke that2 votesi agree. as a once proud 
main. i am but a husk of my former self.
OtterlyLost3 votesHuh, I've had games that are completely opposite and are honestly a contributing factor to me not climbing. Like this one, where I'm a respectable 7/3/7 but because my mid laner fed Annie early, we still lost: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2590056550/228066420?tab=overview
Or this one where I'm fed on Twitch but still can't win because, oh look, my midlaner fed again: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2584405754/228066420?tab=overview
Another one, I'm 8/4 and lost because no one would die diving the Syndra or make any progress pushing somewhere: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2595305704/228066420?tab=overview
Here's one where I scraped out even but magically still won, despite losing lane hard: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2585844989/228066420?tab=overview
So yeah, clearly bot lane decides the fate of all of your ranked games and not what each individual player happens to be doing or what yourself happens to be doing. :/
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesEasy answer: its silver. That#s why. You don't have the mechanics and the level of protection like in diamond+
Edit: That's also why i hate these discussions on boards. A lot of players are complaining who don't really have these issues. ADC is very balanced to a bit stronger in low elo and the higher you go the more op they get. That's why you are the third silver adc saying they are totally balanced because in your elo some midlaner snowballed out of control. That still happens in diamond but way less. in master and challenger adcs are completely bonkers.
OtterlyLost3 votesEasy answer: its silver. That#s why. You don't have the mechanics and the level of protection like in diamond+
Edit: That's also why i hate these discussions on boards. A lot of players are complaining who don't really have these issues. ADC is very balanced to a bit stronger in low elo and the higher you go the more op they get. That's why you are the third silver adc saying they are totally balanced because in your elo some midlaner snowballed out of control. That still happens in diamond but way less. in master and challenger adcs are completely bonkers.
See, I'd believe that if every game in your match history at Diamond level you weren't feeding. Yeah, the games you lose, your ADC does feed. But then, also, the games you lose, you fed your ass off too. Are you seriously telling me your ADC feeding is the reason you went 0/12 as Jax? Or 1/7 as Gnar? Or 0/10 as Maokai? That's all your ADC's fault; totally not you just playing bad.
Bro, yeah, I'm silver. But there is not that much difference between silver and diamond at the end of the day, especially in this regard. You had a game you won where you were 4/10 and there, your ADC managed to carry your ass. But there are other games where you fed, like the Jax one, where your bot lane's combined KDA doesn't even equal the same amount of deaths as you had. The Gnar game, in fact, your Tristana was 5/6 and that was against a Xayah who doesn't scale half as hard as her. Or the Maokai game where you're 0/10; your bot lane was 8/8 as Xayah and 2/3 as Taric. But its totally the bot lane's fault you lost that game, I know.
Real sick of people trying to place all of the blame for their losses on botlane when you look and their KDA's and shit are terrible too. Like, what influence does the bot lane have at the point where you're 0/12 or 0/10???
10 fps3 votesRight? Look at the game where he went 2/9 on Jax. His botlane was feeding but he was more of a liability than his botlane. He had less damage than the enemy support. The enemy Draven was 6/3 but clearly, he wasn't carrying since he had less damage than Jarvan IV and the Fiora that Jax fed. GayFluffyUnicorn is a known ADC hater on these boards so I guess it's expected that he'd blame his loss on his botlane.
Thefrostyviking3 votesI played a couple of games as ADC last night, Sivir mainly if i recall.
In the game i won, i took a single tower over the duration of a entire game, that's literally all i did except kill enemy rakan that kept doing crazy dives every now any then.
But yeah, i won despite only taking a single tower.
I didn't do shit the entire game, my jungler had twice as much damage as i did.
Felt so powerful and OP, didn't have to do anything in particular except farm to win.....and even my farm was shitty^^
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesWhat is that supposed to prove? Sivir is not an adc that snowballs well or can carry hard until 4+ items.
Thefrostyviking2 votesA number of people on the boards state that marksmen are currently deciding how each and every game goes, that they effectively dominate the game by their sheer awesome power.
I just wanted to share an example of me playing a marksman while sitting on my hands not even farming alright and my team won without me doing anything to help them.
Except that one tower.
Tiniest Turtle3 votesYou have a role meant to do a butt load of consistent and reliable damage to champions and structures and a role designed to make up for weaknesses and bolster strengths. They make up almost half your team and are key in taking objectives, especially dragons which affect the entire team. They're designed to be a large part of deciding the game by role and because it's 2 championd out of the 5 on your team. ADCs are ideally easy to shut down since anyone who can get on them, cc them, and burst them kinda screws with what they have going for them. A fed ADC becomes a powerhouse who's support allows them to survive the stuff they're supposed to be weak to and burn through people with their undodgable attacks. So yeah a fed bot lane is definitely a nightmare and would probably decide the game. Bot lane can also be extremely snowbally. Since a lot of the time when one ADC gets ahead the enemy support is forced to play more defensively since it's very hard to win a fight based so largely around who out point and clicks in a full on trade. Meanwhile the fed botlane can still play very aggressively with their support and often still get kills regardless of the enemy trying to play passively. I think the fact that ADCs are based around auto attacks just makes snowballing lane very easy since if you have more damage than them, they won't be able to out play point and clicks to win the fight all that easily and get some kills to catch up. ADCs and support items might be overturned but that's not all that determines why a bot lane can decide a game.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesWell. When 40% of the team is there, and the most important neutral objective is there...
Kaeblen2 votes5-1-1 
at 12 minutes in.
30 minutes later, we lose, with 5-12-13 when game ends 30 minutes later.
why? because at 12 minutes in, adc was 1-7-3 
...
Phank2 votesImagine that you were really, really, really good at math. Say that you had a post-doc in theoretical cutting edge mathematics.
Now, imagine that you opt to take a test, and the rules of the test are as follows:
However, because the other four people on your team are really bad at algebra, you can't pass the test.
Does that make sense to you?
PhearBunny2 votesBottom lane loses, so you lose meta. Aka, just pick a support in every role.
Soraka bot, Kayle top(w Censer), Maokai/Trundle/Any selfsustain tank jungler(Knights Vow+Visage). Lucian/Ezreal/Corki mid, Kogmaw bot.
SanKakU2 votesWhen one player sabotages the lane whether bottom or support, their ally performs worse and the game becomes something of a 3 vs 5. What you are observing seems to be a direct result of auto filled players lashing out.
