Considering how fucking retarded morello is. Havent seen any mages go oom post morello the last 2 months i play. Except the below plat ones who throw spells without ever hitting them cause they are garbage. But oh well Ziggs spamming hit kit every time its off cd without beeing punished because he got a single assist is fine. Better nerf Aatrox.
Catastrop13 votesIs there like some sort of bullshit meter people feel the need to fill on specific things? It's like, "Oh look, no one hasn't bitched about Morellonomicon in a while, better refill the Morellonomicon bullshit jar." This applies to lots of things by the way and some need refilling constantly, see the daily Yasuo threads.
You also basically stated the reason mages don't seem to go oom these days.
Except the below plat ones who throw spells without ever hitting them cause they are garbage.
You're playing with good players, but player skill is apparently not something we talk about when we want to whine. It's dashed to side and instead it's just an item or champion that's broken.
dominusx1 votesso you should get 40% man back for hitting alow cd spell? k bruh buff rengar to psot rework status aswell.
Lauchmelder1 votesIt's 20% and only for kills or assists. If you want to rant about it at least get your facts straight.
Sahn Uzal6 votesJokes aside, you'd hate mages so much more if they were manaless.
dominusx1 votesi dont hate AP garen. kappa
Votable Jester1 votesFor just a second I thought you were Tides of Blood, which would have made that comment a lot more funny.
dominusx1 votestides hates me cause i bully him on discord and dont watch his anime recomendations he wouldnt make it funny :p
Votable Jester1 votesBut anime is so fantastic...
Tiddy Twister5 votesAs opposed to what? Other classes? Besides resourceless champions who don't even need to buy mana, most bruisers couldn't run out of mana if they tried. No items required. And they are as spell reliant as mages.
ValyrianBlade4 votesAfter morellos.
So after the mage has invested in a single large mana item, they become close to resourceless. How exactly is this unfair? I mean, there are champions that are actually resourceless without needing anything. There are also champions that have a resource but are still very relevant when that resource runs out (e.g. a Jinx can easily go OOM, but she's still hitting massive AAs when she is OOM).
I play Ahri mid. The number of times I've lost a 2v2 countergank pre-6 because I had too little mana is insane. Mana is a huge issue for me - I even take a few points in meditation but it doesn't matter. There are plenty of lane opponents that I can hit every Q on, and I'll go OOM before I can kill them. How in the world is that resourceless? Using only my primary harass ability and I go OOM before they're forced to recall?
I mean, damn, Mana gates me early game. It'd be horrific if I was gated late game. Yea, I'm 30% of my team's total damage output, and that damage will entirely disappear if I go OOM in a fight. Instant lost game off of that. Sounds fair, when any non-AP champion or resourceless AP champion doesn't have the problem of being completely useless if they go OOM.
dominusx2 votesoh 2900gold is a massive item right? it gives cdr ap mana on assists the blood of a virgin but its a massively overpriced right? gtfo.
ValyrianBlade2 votesoh 2900gold is a massive item right? it gives cdr ap mana on assists the blood of a virgin but its a massively overpriced right? gtfo.
The point is, mages are gated by mana early, and by cooldowns late.
They're not supposed to run out of mana late game. They never have. Back in season 4 you'd rush DFG which didn't give any mana and you still wouldn't go OOM in the mid game very often because you had enough innate mana regen (well, and mana pots were a thing).
It would be horribly unfair for a mage to be able to go OOM late game (unless they're just nonstop spamming spells on nothing, or have a scaling mechanic like kassadin ult). It doesn't make sense. Their entire kit is centered on damage, and all of their damage requires mana. The champions are literally useless, worse than minions, without mana. So why in a late game teamfight that's going to decide the game, should a champion who has actually spent gold on mana items and leveled up (i.e. level 18 base stats should be pretty solid to let a champion do what they're designed to do) become completely useless because they hard pushed 3 or 4 waves before a fight broke out? How ridiculous would that be? Why should Zed/Yasuo/Katarina and company basically get a guaranteed free win by clearing waves that the mana-opponent can't match until they're OOM and either have a literal 5v4 or one where the 5th is oom?
Ben Sharpio2 votesyou think theyre out of mana so you try to fight them and then they use 4 rotations of spells, 1 death combo and their ult.
ForgiveColour1 votesLol yup
Remember when orianna has mana problems?
xd
dominusx2 votesyeh i have fun getting bombarded by spells every 2 seconds that do 2/5 of my hp and the guy never running out of mana cause the side of his spell hit a guy next to me who got killed so now he gets 40% fkn mana back to spamm another 2 rotations. But you know mages dont do dmg.. Yeh if you have triple mr items they wont do dmg but not every build allows you to go triple mr while also dealing with the gaydc rightclicking your hp away.
Marshbouy1 votesRemember when mages were QQing about how there was going to be a colossal mana shortage in the coming mage update? Pepper ridge farm remembers.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesOh really now?
dominusx2 votes
are like the only ppl who buy it and it reduces the dmg output by alot compared to IE. i dont defend adcs they can go fk themselves just sayin
ZT Xperimentor1 votesAny marksmen that uses critical chance can abuse it.
The Last Ballad2 votesSivir. On one standard minion wave, if she crits on all 3 of her w attacks, she can get 54% of her mana back, 63% if it is a cannon minion wave. If only one crits, that is still 18-21% mana back... And boy is she mana reliant. Sure her e offsets this, but it is useless when you are split pushing, as she tends to do, or spamming spells, as she tends to do.
Annoxis1 votesYou are saying that Essence Reaver count each crit of Sivir's W as an independant crit ? Really ?
The Last Ballad1 votesDISCLAIMER: This is all from memory mind you, and I wasn't the one playing Sivir, my sister was, and I was supporting her. So I wasn't exactly looking at her mana 24/7...
However, the logic that follows is:
1.Sivir w - if Sivir critically strikes her target, the bounces do so as well
2. - UNIQUE passive: Critical strikes restore 3% of your maximum mana pool.
So if Sivir crits on 6 separate enemies, she should get 18% mana back (following those two facts).
But I am going to test this to make sure.
Edit: tested it, and it does not. I would think that the mana restoration is a on-hit effect that procs when the attack proc's, and the bounces of Sivir's do not proc on hit effects. That's how it makes sense to me at least. Maybe it did work like that at one point, or maybe it was an idea created by the slight vagueness of the wording. I really don't know.