A testament to how shitty it feels fighting against some mages with rylais

Tychusfindlay919·Jul 20, 2016·15 votes·2,377 views

Trying to fight a zyra with rylais while she continually spawns plants every fucking second, and not just one or two, but like 5 towards late game.

Or trying to get to azir as a melee/low range champion as he consistently throws soldiers that slow you down.

Honestly... I'm not sure whether to scream out "fuck azir and zyra and all the rylais abusers!" or "fuck rylais!"

EDIT

Please take note of the "and all the rylais abusers!" I merely higlighted two of some of the worst offenders (azir and zyra), but that small list is not exhaustive.

56 Comments

EternalTitan23Jul 20, 201610 votes

I feel like the main problem was all the nerfs to Boots of Swiftness... They're really not that great anymore.

HahahahyenaJul 20, 20165 votes

there definately needs to be a rylais cd of some sort, like if you get hit by rylais you cant be slowed again until x amount of time

Pierce The VealJul 20, 20166 votes

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there definately needs to be a rylais cd of some sort, like if you get hit by rylais you cant be slowed again until x amount of time

Or, you know, AoE spells shouldn't proc the full effect. That would help. You know, reversing that one change they made :D

ProfDrDeathJul 20, 20163 votes

DoTs proc Rylai's with reduced effect - read the description here on the forum if you want to put it in a text.

Agree on AoE, though.

Pierce The VealJul 20, 20162 votes

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DoTs proc Rylai's with reduced effect - read the description here on the forum if you want to put it in a text.

Agree on AoE, though.

If I'm not wrong, they also buffed the slow on DoTs. I might be wrong. Nonetheless, there are very few dots that proc on spell effects, so that's not nearly as big of a problem as aoe.

Pierce The VealJul 20, 20163 votes

Ahem, Rylai's on:

Vel'koz Akali Aurelion Sol Ahri Cassiopeia. Xerath. Syndra

Is also cancer.

I'm sure there're others, just they don't come to mind.

Oh yeah, I would have included AP kog'maw, but he's weak atm so meh.

ArakadiaJul 20, 20163 votes

Aurelion Sol is trash without Rylais. They balanced him around it.

NuparuJul 20, 20161 votes

then why not simply nerf rylais and rebalance aurelion

holy shit it's not that hard guys

ArakadiaJul 20, 20162 votes

then why not simply nerf rylais and rebalance aurelion

holy shit it's not that hard guys

It really is that hard. You must not understand Aurelion Sols problem.

Once your in Aurelion Sol's circle [small circle] he either needs an allies peel, to flash, or to ult. Against mobile enemies like Fizz or Akali you might need two things to escape. Aurelion Sol's play style is forced to feel thematic. He needs Rylais and he feels either like he kites you to death without counterplay or you get inside the cirlce and he has no counter play against you.

Nerfing Rylais to the point where it has say a 4 second cooldown would require big changes to Aurelion Sol. A partial rework. So now Urgot, Eve, Swain, etc. all get held up. So unless you can make a rework for Aurelion Sol that doesn't make him dependent on Rylais, don't complain about it being easy as hell. Because its quite difficult. It would probably require new effects which require new visuals too.

Sorry if I sounded rude about this, I just got a little upset.

Pierce The VealJul 20, 20161 votes

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It really is that hard. You must not understand Aurelion Sols problem.

Once your in Aurelion Sol's circle [small circle] he either needs an allies peel, to flash, or to ult. Against mobile enemies like Fizz or Akali you might need two things to escape. Aurelion Sol's play style is forced to feel thematic. He needs Rylais and he feels either like he kites you to death without counterplay or you get inside the cirlce and he has no counter play against you.

Nerfing Rylais to the point where it has say a 4 second cooldown would require big changes to Aurelion Sol. A partial rework. So now Urgot, Eve, Swain, etc. all get held up. So unless you can make a rework for Aurelion Sol that doesn't make him dependent on Rylais, don't complain about it being easy as hell. Because its quite difficult. It would probably require new effects which require new visuals too.

Sorry if I sounded rude about this, I just got a little upset.

You got upset over nothing.

Revert rylais buffs. Slow no longer fully applies to aoe spells. DONE. There! No more bullshit!

ArakadiaJul 20, 20161 votes

Go ahead. Watch how many kits you screw with. It will require more work then you think.

Pierce The VealJul 20, 20161 votes

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Go ahead. Watch how many kits you screw with. It will require more work then you think.

Reversing an unnecessary buff will mess with a ton of kits? Haha, good one.

ArakadiaJul 20, 20161 votes

Several champions are reliant on this item and how it works. Mordekaiser and Aurelion Sol being a few.

Your basically saying: Lets nerf black cleaver because Lucian is using it. It totally won't mess up Darius and Garen.

Please explain to me how Mordekaiser or Sol are supposed to stick to enemies/keep enemies in his stars without Rylais? Not many enemies are just gonna stand there.

Aurelion Sol cannot kite without Rylais efficiently. He can kite, but it will be trash tier kiting. Mordekaiser cannot stick to targets, if he even gets to them, without Rylais. I believe Malicious Metal [A Morde Main] once said: "Until you get Rylais you don't feel like your even playing a champion". He said something along those lines about Mordekaiser.

How can you think changing a core item that several champions are reliant on won't effect those champions? Im fine with Rylais changes but these champions would need changes too.

Pierce The VealJul 21, 20161 votes

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Several champions are reliant on this item and how it works. Mordekaiser and Aurelion Sol being a few.

Your basically saying: Lets nerf black cleaver because Lucian is using it. It totally won't mess up Darius and Garen.

Please explain to me how Mordekaiser or Sol are supposed to stick to enemies/keep enemies in his stars without Rylais? Not many enemies are just gonna stand there.

Aurelion Sol cannot kite without Rylais efficiently. He can kite, but it will be trash tier kiting. Mordekaiser cannot stick to targets, if he even gets to them, without Rylais. I believe Malicious Metal [A Morde Main] once said: "Until you get Rylais you don't feel like your even playing a champion". He said something along those lines about Mordekaiser.

How can you think changing a core item that several champions are reliant on won't effect those champions? Im fine with Rylais changes but these champions would need changes too.

As I said, revert the Rylais buffs increasing the slow on aoe abilities, and all will be fine.

That or balance it around range. Melees get full slow, etc.

Part of why morde isn't able to do his job is BECAUSE of rylais. Without rylais, he is shit. Without slow resistance to resist enemy rylais, he is shit. If the enemy has rylais and he doesn't have slow resistance, he is shit.

Balancing aurelion sol around rylais is horrible, because rylais is only necessary on a small handul of champions, and broken on a much larger subset of champions. Look, I myself like rylais quite a bit on my Akali/AP kog, but the truth is it's simply broken on long range/spam casters.

ArakadiaJul 21, 20161 votes

Part of why morde isn't able to do his job is BECAUSE of rylais. Without rylais, he is shit. Without slow resistance to resist enemy rylais, he is shit. If the enemy has rylais and he doesn't have slow resistance, he is shit.

I agree 100%. Balancing Sol around Rylais is ridiculous. But he's pretty reliant on it. I think Rylais needs changes, but you can't just nerf it without some specific changes to some kits.

Pierce The VealJul 21, 20161 votes

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Balancing aurelion sol around rylais is horrible, because rylais is only necessary on a small handul of champions, and broken on a much larger subset of champions. Look, I myself like rylais quite a bit on my Akali/AP kog, but the truth is it's simply broken on long range/spam casters.

I agree 100%. Balancing Sol around Rylais is ridiculous. But he's pretty reliant on it. I think Rylais needs changes, but you can't just nerf it without some specific changes to some kits.

Should be perfectly fine if Riot obliges. Riot has nerfed Lich bane before, buffing 10s of kits, NOT because it was broken on a large subset of champions, no! But because it was broken in combination with deathfire grasp on AHRI only. The damage amplification from her old e stacked with deathfire grasp, allowing it to deal a lot of damage, so they nerfed it, removed deathfire grasp, and buffed several champs to compensate. I don't see why the same shouldn't be possible for rylais.

ArakadiaJul 21, 20161 votes

That would be fine but it would take some work. However some champions need actual gameplay updates such as Sol or Morde.

Pierce The VealJul 21, 20161 votes

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That would be fine but it would take some work. However some champions need actual gameplay updates such as Sol or Morde.

Agreed.

ArakadiaJul 21, 20161 votes

Indeed!

Pierce The VealJul 22, 20161 votes

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Indeed!

Affirmative ;P

GibberwattJul 20, 20163 votes

Dude. Its called kiting. rylais is what allows people like zyra and azir to stop people like Garen Aatrox MasterYi Volibear Nasus Darius DrMundo Hecarim Renekton Trundle Tryndamere And all the other "run at you and hit you" champions. Especially voli, garen, and yi, who either run at you superfast, or soak up huge amounts of damage. Sure, it is abused by mages in lots of situations, but hey, if adc's can abuse tank items, mages can abuse mage items.

Tychusfindlay919Jul 20, 20162 votes

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Dude. Its called kiting. rylais is what allows people like zyra and azir to stop people like And all the other "run at you and hit you" champions. Especially voli, garen, and yi, who either run at you superfast, or soak up huge amounts of damage. Sure, it is abused by mages in lots of situations, but hey, if adc's can abuse tank items, mages can abuse mage items.

There's a difference between kiting and zero counterplay at all from lower ranged champions.The sheer range that Zyra and Azir enjoy should be more than enough. Tacking on a massive slow to their ranged zoning abilities is salt on the wound. Rylais either needs its slow nerfed or its stats nerfed to make it a less appealing item for every single mage out there not named ryze.

If ADCs can abuse BRUISER items (not tank items, ADCs dont buy sunfire cape or spirit visage) then ADCs need to be reformed or bruiser items reformed to be unusable for ADCs. Just because one class can potentially abuse items doesn't mean another class should be left to abuse an item.

UltraGigaNigaJul 20, 20162 votes

surprised that theres no viktor rant

Tychusfindlay919Jul 20, 20161 votes

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surprised that theres no viktor rant

Viktor doesn't have the moronic maximum range and spammability of azir and zyra.

Although his lazer can be quite annoying with rylais, it doesn't persist.

Azir's soldiers and zyra's plants persist (they have a lifespan, a considerable one), and every damn auto attack they do slows you. Viktor can't abuse rylais like this. I think the issue many people have with viktor is that he's a brainless wave clear machine that can pressure many mid laners with his sheer pushing power.

ApocalypsicJul 20, 20163 votes

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Viktor doesn't have the moronic maximum range and spammability of azir and zyra.

Although his lazer can be quite annoying with rylais, it doesn't persist.

Azir's soldiers and zyra's plants persist (they have a lifespan, a considerable one), and every damn auto attack they do slows you. Viktor can't abuse rylais like this. I think the issue many people have with viktor is that he's a brainless wave clear machine that can pressure many mid laners with his sheer pushing power.

Viktor is a monster with Rylais.

You want to escape the ult? Better flash.

Don't want to get nuked after he Q's you? Better flash.

Viktor with rylais changes the course of entire teamfights and is a monster to duel as well.

Vik himself is totally OP again but Rylais is pretty outrageous and does need nerfs.

Its All SkillzzJul 20, 20164 votes

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Viktor is a monster with Rylais.

You want to escape the ult? Better flash.

Don't want to get nuked after he Q's you? Better flash.

Viktor with rylais changes the course of entire teamfights and is a monster to duel as well.

Vik himself is totally OP again but Rylais is pretty outrageous and does need nerfs.

wanna dodge anything in his kit lol nope.

Rawrbot5000Aug 9, 20161 votes

this

The DeckownerJul 20, 20166 votes

Viktor is definitely an abuser of rylais his E after rework was supposed to have a slight delay on the second part so the enemy can dodge it, but with rylais nope.you ain't gonna dodge that. His ult applies rylais forever, which means if he ult you unless you flash you need to take full duration dmg. Also if you have no tenacity q into w is a guarentee stun.

TheThundersRoarJul 20, 20161 votes

Also his ult applies the AoE version of the slow rather than the DoT, so there's no running.

HazyCloud7Jul 20, 20161 votes

His ult applies rylais on each tick, not for the entire duration. Unless you take deathfire touch, which nobody does on him.

The DeckownerJul 20, 20162 votes

the slow last 1.5 second and it ticks every 2 second so basically perma slowed

HazyCloud7Jul 21, 20161 votes

The slow lasts 1 second (AoE spells slow for 40% for 1 second). Still can be annoying, but still not the perma slow as you described.

The DeckownerJul 21, 20162 votes

Rawrbot5000Aug 9, 20161 votes

BRAND fug dat perma slow

RequiemsfireJul 20, 20162 votes

Sadly Mordekaizers kit is facilitated by Rylais.

Tychusfindlay919Jul 20, 20162 votes

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Sadly Mordekaizers kit is facilitated by Rylais.

Sadly, just because Huekaiser is dependent upon rylais doesn't mean we should leave it in its current state while numerous other mages that are hundreds of times more popular than Huekaiser abuse the living shit out of the item.

Huekaiser has an issue with his kit and base stats that transcend rylais. He is fundamentally flawed as it is right now and needs to be fixed. That is no excuse however to leave rylais the way it is with all of its abusive power in the hands of many mages.

Rawrbot5000Aug 9, 20161 votes

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Sadly, just because Huekaiser is dependent upon rylais doesn't mean we should leave it in its current state while numerous other mages that are hundreds of times more popular than Huekaiser abuse the living shit out of the item.

Huekaiser has an issue with his kit and base stats that transcend rylais. He is fundamentally flawed as it is right now and needs to be fixed. That is no excuse however to leave rylais the way it is with all of its abusive power in the hands of many mages.

Morde has no real gap closer or CC this is why he needs Ryalais, look at every champ made since Morde, they either have a signifcant gap closer (dash, speed increase etc.) and/or a hard cc. Please fix the Kaiser

AshranReaverJul 20, 20161 votes

You do know that Rylai's is bought to supplement Liandry's torment and increase the %hp burn. If Rylais is nerfed then logically they'll have to compensate Liandry's by increasing either the penetration or %hp burn and at that point your ability to play league is gone and all you've accomplished is to remove not only an item slot, money and time wasted on Rylai's but streamlined the build into pure dmg.

Of course this is assuming they still care an iota about mages, but either way you're gonna be playing black screen simulator more often as damage, burst and mobility are prioritized even more over utility.

DorkunedAurasJul 20, 20161 votes

A vast majority of the champions who buy rylai's do not buy Liandry's. Not many buy it in general, the only one I can think of off the top of my head being rumble.

AcidTheWarlockJul 20, 20161 votes

Don't forget my man Singed

DorkunedAurasJul 20, 20161 votes

we can argue proper singed builds all day, but my understanding is that he typically builds low AP, high tank, and certainly doesn't get Rylai's + liandries

TequilaZombieJul 20, 20161 votes

Why wouldn't you? It's just an awesome combo on him!

Singed item 3009 item 3116 item 3151 item 3110 item 3027 item 3040

Just try it out. The Frozen Hearth might be changed for any other item you see fit.

DorkunedAurasJul 20, 20161 votes

Awesome for damage? Yes

Awesome for not dying and actually doing singed things? Not so much

tXQbsPrjN5Jul 20, 20161 votes

this has nothing to do with rylais and everything to do with the fact you can no longer avoid zyra's damage

please, learn to think

Tychusfindlay919Jul 20, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brandon Heat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0RIV6Qyl,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-07-20T12:23:33.306+0000)

this has nothing to do with rylais and everything to do with the fact you can no longer avoid zyra's damage

please, learn to think

Moron.

It has everything to do with rylais. The plants essentially act as an unpassable barrier for any low ranged champion whose names aren't malphite and hecarim (cc immune ultimates) because any time you try to get past them to Zyra you get permaslowed. They aren't easy to clear either with their modified health bars and sheer numbers.

Please, learn to think and be respectful. Of course, when you talk shit to someone in a higher league than yourself you make yourself look like an ass and a clown.

tXQbsPrjN5Jul 21, 20161 votes

lmao 1vs1 me kid teach you a thing or 2 from someone who isn't a rock bottom plat kiddie. And learn to think before you post nonsense. It's actually funny when you repeat my point to me as if it was your own revelation then throw a tantrum cause I called you out for what you are, a parrot that can't think lololololololol.

Dominick DestineAug 9, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brandon Heat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0RIV6Qyl,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2016-07-21T01:23:52.319+0000)

lmao 1vs1 me kid

Lol'd.

I had not seen someone post that unironically in a very long time.

SwiftKitten88Jul 21, 20161 votes

item 3116 isn't the issue. its the mages themselves

Dominick DestineAug 9, 20161 votes

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isn't the issue. its the mages themselves

Actually item 3116 is the issue. It is coded wrong right now as it is intended to provide the worst benefit for certain abilities like Zyra and Azir but it is providing the maximum benefit.

SwiftKitten88Aug 9, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0RIV6Qyl,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-08-09T07:42:24.443+0000)

Actually is the issue. It is coded wrong right now as it is intended to provide the worst benefit for certain abilities like Zyra and Azir but it is providing the maximum benefit.

ok well, thats kinda what i meant. i just think its the mage "skill" that is coded improperly, not item 3116