she needs a fucking buff asap. you guys have hotfixed champs to nerf them into the dirt in the past, its time to do the opposite of that because you guys royally fucked her over. 47% winrate down to 42% in only 2 days. she is actually worse than pre 5.24 buffed nid. ok, maybe not that bad but pretty damn close and thats just disgusting. please fix or undo the rework because you guys actually managed to destroy this great champ.
Meep Man2 votesShe doesn't need it. Plus, win rate isnt a good way if telling how good someone is. Illaoi's win rate is 43% if I recall.
alfavhunter2 votesThese are the buffs she needs
Passive scales with CDR letting her use it more often late game
W scaling increased and it does its damage to all enemies inside of it when the effect ends, giving the counter play of get out, but still stopping dashes (CC her and move away)
E needs its bugs fixed still
R needs a lower CD based on channel time and to reveal targets struck for the duration of the mock back (this improves the "felt" strength of the ult because at times it feels waisted because they don't seem to go very far)
Example of this is full Channel has 100 sec Cd instant cast has 60 sec CD
And lastly her Base MS needs to be buffed a little 5-10
J Eevo2 votesFunny, played against a dunkmaster darius who was convinced poppy is a broken op piece of shit...
Just wait a while and see, if she's bad she'll get a buff, if she's op she'll get a nerf, we've been through this before. It's just at this stage it's hard to tell as her newfound popularity is skewing the numbers.
Vanjie1 votesShe does need a little more damage . . . I mean Illaoi can do tons of damage and she needs a nerf.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Black Arachne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0NBXbmgA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-11T17:14:37.944+0000)
She does need a little more damage . . . I mean Illaoi can do tons of damage and she needs a nerf.
AA alone does more damage than 
entire kit. fun fact.
Nixzilla1 votesI've been having a lot of fun with her but have felt like i my ring of influence was almost 0. The big thing I want fixed is the Passive and E interaction my god its so annoying. I also seem to have problems killing people that don't run up to walls and DC but that could be my fault.
insaiyanbacca1 voteseh she probably dropped winrate because a ton of people are playing her, plus she's new so all the people have to relearn her kinda. give it a cou0ple weeks and it'll probably even out.
My Sea Cow1 votesIf you've noticed though her Attributes are TANK then Fighter. Tanks shouldn't have much damage...they meant to soak up damage, initiate fights, peel for carries, etc. I've played her on PBE and after release as well. She's definitely tied for my favorite top laner. I don't think she needs a buff for damage...I don't think she needs much of any type of buffs or nerfs. Her damage is low scaling wise but as I said above...her first attribute is Tank...so she shouldn't be doing much damage without any items.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=My Sea Cow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0NBXbmgA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-11T17:29:26.781+0000)
If you've noticed though her Attributes are TANK then Fighter. Tanks shouldn't have much damage...
stoped reading here
i dont care if you put a tag of "brusier/juggnaut/tanky DPS" or whatever other bull shit tag you want, but the fact remains the same that they CAN BUILD PURE TANK ITEMS AND STILL BLOW YOU THE FUCK UP
poppy has always been a fighter at heart even pre rework. them changing her into a pure tank is ridiculous.
My Sea Cow1 votesWhether or not you think Riot changing her into pure tank is ridiculous or not that could be the reason why she does so little damage. Her utility is really strong...especially her W which prevents dashes. That's huge to protect the back line. Don't like her kit or "lack of damage"? Don't play her...play one of the champions you listed in your salty reply.
Dominick Destine3 votesstoped reading here
Darius and Garen are not "Tanks", they're classified as Juggernauts.
Amumu is the highest damage traditional tank in the game. Sejuani has terrible damage. DRM is in need of nerfs. No idea what you added Illaoi in there for.
Bad line up, bad argument.
Here are some actual tanks ;
lolipopevelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0NBXbmgA,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2015-12-11T17:42:01.207+0000)
Darius and Garen are not "Tanks", they're classified as Juggernauts.
Amumu is the highest damage traditional tank in the game. Sejuani has terrible damage. DRM is in need of nerfs. No idea what you added Illaoi in there for.
Bad line up, bad argument.
Here are some actual tanks ;
"hurr duur im pick a champ that builds 
and still manages to do 2k+ damage to any target in the game and NOT call it a tank. derrp"
you and riot get the fuck out if here with your made up terms. a tank is a fucking tank.
Jbels3 votes"hurr duur im pick a champ that builds
you and riot get the fuck out if here with your made up terms. a tank is a fucking tank.
Taric. Taric is a tank. Illaoi is a juggernaut.
lolipopevelynn2 votesTaric. Taric is a tank. Illaoi is a juggernaut.
taric also needs a sion level rework.
Jbels1 votestaric also needs a sion level rework.
Ok, what about Alistar? You can try and pretend there isn't a distinction between tank and juggernaut, but there is. There are tanks which have much higher utility and much lower damage, and vice versa
3TWarrior1 voteswhat is chogath then? he's a tank(primary) mage second, but if you change his damage, he won't have any real use. His crowd control is situational, he is one of the least tanky of tanks in a sustained fight, unlike most tanks he actually hangs back to cast his spells instead of being a hard-engage champ
you listed malphite earlier as a tank. yes, he is a tank but he also plays like a juggernaut, low ranged and situational, but at the same time as his high tank stats, he has very high burst damage and decent sustained damage. He's no assassin, but he can duel many champions whose damage should outpace his tank stats
ProfDrDeath1 votesCho'Gath is a tank, first and foremost. He has one of the best tank steroids (900 free HP is nothing to scoff at), good crowd control and decent sustained damage even if not building any AP that makes him a threat you cannot ignore.
He can also be played as a rather tanky AP, due to his high AP ratios. These high AP ratios are a result of his status as one of the oldest champions: While they seem incredibly high by today's standards, values like that actually used to be standard back in beta and season 1. It is just that they never updated his ratios properly.
lolipopevelynn1 votesOk, what about Alistar? You can try and pretend there isn't a distinction between tank and juggernaut, but there is. There are tanks which have much higher utility and much lower damage, and vice versa
ali is a support thats beaten into a gutter by the mere existence of 
is in, a champ that riot has claimed time and time again to be a "pure tank" that just so happens to deal carry levels of damage. pure tanks that deal zero damage have no place in this game. if you dont do damage you are simply worthless.
if you really want an example of a pure tank that doesnt do alot of damage than look at the state 
. he is pretty much the only one of his kind. others like out damages him by a pretty large margin.
basicaly if a pure tank exist and that pure tank does zero damage then more than likely they are a support or they just are better off being a support because they are worthless anywhere else.
Jbels2 votesali is a support thats beaten into a gutter by the mere existence of
if you really want an example of a pure tank that doesnt do alot of damage than look at the state
basicaly if a pure tank exist and that pure tank does zero damage then more than likely they are a support or they just are better off being a support because they are worthless anywhere else.
ffs, Tahm Kench does comparable damage to Sejauni and Zac. And you still can't keep pretending there isn't a distinction between tanks and juggernauts
lolipopevelynn1 votesffs, Tahm Kench does comparable damage to Sejauni and Zac.
lol fucking muted. tanks and "juggernauts" build the exact same items, the difference being doing a shit ton of damage WHILE BEING TANKY and murdering teams while BEING TANKY where as 
bounces... there is a reason dari had a 95% ban rate and zac is virtually never seen. gg.
Jbels1 voteslol fucking muted. tanks and "juggernauts" build the exact same items, the difference being
Just because they build the same doesn't mean they play the same. And good luck muting me on the forums. Also, in Zac's hayday, he was considered the most broken tank ever released. Do you remember those days? Because I fucking do
BlackEyesBlue1 votesPersonally, I feel like her utility and outplay potential mostly make up for her lack of raw damage. She can 1 v 1 a lot of the field under the right circumstances (IE: with a wall or two around.)
It's not a fast 1 v 1, but Poppy's damage remains consistent once her opponent has burst through their kit.
Still, this is what? Day3? Give it a little time. :P
Salron1 votesNew champs tend to have low winrates
Yesiamaduck1 votesThey need to adjust the passive. Chasing a champion and going to dash only to have your ranged auto animation start is infuriating. Screwed up many flanks that has