Please nerf Hexdrinker in some way so that people actually build Maw

Blakiepug·7/30/2017, 3:54:32 PM·140 votes·5,467 views

I play so many games where multiple players will build Hexdrinker and then never finish upgrading it into Maw because of how strong Hexdrinker's passive is. People treat Hex like it is a full build item when it is not, and I would argue that Hexdrinker is probably the best mid-build item in the whole game. I'm not looking for this item to be gutted, but I don't think it should be so good that players aren't willing to finish upgrading it into Maw.

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Serika Zero7/30/2017, 5:08:53 PM32 votes

remove the shield of hex drinker, give 5 more MR. or, remove the shield and make it 100g cheaper simple, easy.

Maw and HexDrinker are supposed to be the counter alternative to zhonias and armguard. item 3191 - 1200g 30 armor - 20 ap. gets up to 45 armor after you farm 30 minions (so, around 3 minutes or more)

item 3155 - 1300g 35 mr - 20 ad. and the shield. From the start.

So, what's the issue. Well, 20 ap: item 1052 435g And 20 ad: item 1036 350+350g, aka: 700g

45 armor: item 1029 x3 = 300x3 = 900 35 mr: ( item 1033 x2 /10 ) x7 = 450x2 / 10 x 7 = 900 / 10 x 7 = 90 x 7 = 630 g 50/10x7=5x7=35

so, value of seeker would be: 435+900 = 1335g and value of maw would be: 700+630 = 1330g WITHOUT THE FUCKING SHIELD seeker without the extra armor from the passive value is 1035.

That's the issue. The item is insanely efficient in terms of reliability and gold value. It would be bad only against poke mages, and those are rarely to never played.............. with my change, the gold value of the hex drinker would be 1420g

you pay 1300g, you get value of 1420. compared to seeker where you pay 1200 and you get value of 1035g initially and then get up to 1335g or, they can just remove the passive and make the item cheaper (1200g)

edit: yes, my bad. Thx for reminding me of that. I totally forgot about that

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You forgot that passive also stacks up 15 bonus AP. It's fully stacked gold value is actually 1661.

Torterra627/30/2017, 6:06:20 PM12 votes

i do find it annoying how it cost so little and is able to completely negate most mages ultimates in laning phase. is such an easy pick up.

An Undead brat7/30/2017, 6:17:08 PM10 votes

Nerf an item that deletes any AP champion from the game? What an obviously terrible idea!

Ionian Vulpix7/30/2017, 7:23:09 PM9 votes

I still say that it shouldn't have the shield. I don't mind it giving MR. I don't mind the shield on Maw. I mind the inability to be bursted by any AP champ for 1300 gold (which also gives AD). Maw itself is fine.

the weeaboo7/30/2017, 5:34:50 PM7 votes

I never finish it because it gives CDR and so does every other goddamn item in this game so I don't wanna overcap

Warmanreaper7/30/2017, 4:30:27 PM5 votes

I mean.. if you nerfed maw, we'd need to buff other AP resist items or make a better one.

Leaf on Bush7/30/2017, 7:14:14 PM1 votes

But the upgrade is really good, just depends on the champion you play. As assassin you only want to invest as much in defense as necessary, other champions might still finish the item. Also if you want to build lethality, the Maw upgrade is not that good. If you wanna snowball and are forced to build defense just to survive, it actually sets you back. So I really don't understand the problem, is forcing your opponent to build defense and automatically reduce his snowballing not good enough?

Being able to sit on a item 3123 or item 3076 to hard counter heals is much worse.