What do you want from mages? 
is going to be even more overpowered when 
and 
are nerfed. Do we have to pick tanks and stack armor to survive in mid lane? I hate your favoritism.
Kioshek8 votesExactly. I hate the fact, that they are nerfing Morg, bc she has "safe farming" meanwhile Zed can just W+Q and farms most of the wave and then just last hit safly or use E. And yes is his whole combo, but bc he doesn't have mana it's not a problem for him to use it. The same could go for most of the midlane champs... Anivia post 6, Ahri with few items just Qing the wave, Talon's W,... but Morg is a problem. She is barely a midlaner and they still want to nerf her...
Ahri Baka2 votesExactly. I hate the fact, that they are nerfing Morg, bc she has "safe farming" meanwhile Zed can just W+Q and farms most of the wave and then just last hit safly or use E. And yes is his whole combo, but bc he doesn't have mana it's not a problem for him to use it. The same could go for most of the midlane champs... Anivia post 6, Ahri with few items just Qing the wave, Talon's W,... but Morg is a problem. She is barely a midlaner and they still want to nerf her...
Morgana is a problem because she pushes the wave in a way that prevents a lot of mages from being able to farm , it's hard for them even to farm under tower Not saying she needs a nerf tho, but she is a problem more than the mentioned champion ( except Anivia with blue buff )
Ragnaveil7 votesExcuse me? Zed would have to use all 3 of his basic abilites to clear the wave, and all Morg has to do is press W. There's a reason why people hated Vik and Anivia when they were the best midlaners at one point: You legit couldn't shove them in because of the massive amount of waveclear with one ability. And even if he's manaless, do you understand how long his cooldowns are for those abilities in the early game compared to Morg, who has a W that is 12 seconds all ranks. Zed has to put points in W just to even get close to that.
Paroe8 votesExcuse me? Zed would have to use all 3 of his basic abilites to clear the wave, and all Morg has to do is press W. There's a reason why people hated Vik and Anivia when they were the best midlaners at one point: You legit couldn't shove them in because of the massive amount of waveclear with one ability. And even if he's manaless, do you understand how long his cooldowns are for those abilities in the early game compared to Morg, who has a W that is 12 seconds all ranks. Zed has to put points in W just to even get close to that.
Zed presses Q and clears the backline instantly. Morgana presses W and clears the backline in 5 seconds.
Zed presses Q and E to clear the frontline instantly. Morgana waits until her W is back up and clears the frontline in 5 seconds while basic attacking them with her 450 range.
You seem to be forgetting, conveniently, just how long it takes morgana to clear a wave. She pushes hard for sure but only compared to other AP mages. Ziggs, lux, leblanc, cass, kassadin, heck even sylas will ALL out push morgana pretty hard.
Tim From Work4 voteszed Can’t clear the castors with one q at any point in lane phase unless he’s pretty fed, I’ll give you his full combo can clear most of the wave (melees in auto range normally) once he has dirk but one q alone isn’t killing the backline during lane, and you seem to be overlooking how powerful having two abilities up when clearing the wave is compared to zero (granted in Morg v zed lane black shield isn’t doing much)
Paroe2 votes[{quoted}](name=Emotional Dad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Ikp8zEF,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-27T22:23:14.826+0000)
zed Can’t clear the castors with one q at any point in lane phase unless he’s pretty fed, I’ll give you his full combo can clear most of the wave (melees in auto range normally) once he has dirk but one q alone isn’t killing the backline during lane, and you seem to be overlooking how powerful having two abilities up when clearing the wave is compared to zero (granted in Morg v zed lane black shield isn’t doing much)
90 / 125 / 160 / 195 / 230 (+ 100% bonus AD) + 54 / 75 / 96 / 117 / 138 (+ 60% bonus AD) and youre telling me a champion who does effective true damage to minions cant oneshot CASTERS at any point in the game? Melee minions have 1300 or so HP at max. Caster minions have 485 or so HP at max. And youre telling me a champion with a 1.6 bonus AD ratio who buys lethality cant kill CASTERS with one ability?!
Morgana also cant clear the whole wave in less than two W casts (except where theres a cannon, in which case its three or you Q the cannon while basic attacking), an ability which is double the cooldown of zeds Q at 12 seconds... and thats only if she maxes her W first. Most morgana players use the pool as a one point wonder because her Q and E are simply much more powerful abilities. Although once morgana gets AP you can just auto the melee minions to push in two Ws.
Tim From Work2 votesI said lane phase deliberately for a reason but it’s cool you can ignore what I said if you’d like to believe zed can wave clear more efficiently than Morg, you’re also overlooking the strength range gives you during lane phase, I don’t like playing against zed either but his waveclear certainly isn’t the problem I have with him, also you might want to read up on zeds q again because that first set of numbers applies to the first target only and the second set of numbers applies to only targets after the first it you don’t add them together for damage on a single target so zed q at lvl 3 can’t kill the lvl 1 caster minion with one cast at full hp, since it has 290 hp, let alone the whole backline but again go off
Tim From Work1 votesOh and people not playing support Morg max w for waveclear
Morgana Deus1 votesExcuse me? Zed would have to use all 3 of his basic abilites to clear the wave, and all Morg has to do is press W. There's a reason why people hated Vik and Anivia when they were the best midlaners at one point: You legit couldn't shove them in because of the massive amount of waveclear with one ability. And even if he's manaless, do you understand how long his cooldowns are for those abilities in the early game compared to Morg, who has a W that is 12 seconds all ranks. Zed has to put points in W just to even get close to that.
False. Morgana cannot clear wave with only W for several reasons: 1.) It is only enough damgae to kill backline minions early. 2.) Its radius is exactly large enough for one wave if lined up perfectly. 3.) The damage is dealt over 5 seconds, not instantly.
Champions with decent burst aoe damage can clear the wave equally as fast. Xerath, Lux, Brand, Velkoz, Ryze, literally every other mage pushes just as easily as Morgana 2019. The only difference is Morgana has good push at level 5 before first back. Which might get her a better back than her opponent one time.
Ragnaveil1 votesGet a ludens, and then tell how that is still not enough, because the truth of it is that it is enough.
Morgana Deus1 votesGet a ludens, and then tell how that is still not enough, because the truth of it is that it is enough.
It's enough for literally every other mage too lol. You're acting like this is something only Morgana can do.
1 Inch and Proud6 voteszed is flashy = no nerfarino
Frosted Tips5 votesMorgana can farm from beyond a safe distance and push mid harder than most champions with one ability. Her being in the mid lane with her current kit is not healthy. Zed has to atleast wasye his entire kit to clear a wave that quickly. Also Morgana mod has a 4% higher winrate than Zed.
IP Masquerena2 votesMorgana mid always did that.
Past level 5, her W would clear casters with 1 cast and almost kill the melee as well.
Problem was you were called a troll for picking her. Had a Zed in the enemy team do it, laugh at how stupid the pick is and not even 10 mins later he was crying that Morgana needs nerfs, and it was pre rework.
Shameful Wretch5 votesMorgana mid always did that.
Past level 5, her W would clear casters with 1 cast and almost kill the melee as well.
Problem was you were called a troll for picking her. Had a Zed in the enemy team do it, laugh at how stupid the pick is and not even 10 mins later he was crying that Morgana needs nerfs, and it was pre rework.
What the sad part is that she wasn't even buffed but just added some move speed to her ult. Ive played her mid for the last two years and no one complained.
The thing is they "reworked" updated her and people wanted to play her. They see the champed picked so much now people complain because they think its OP. She is the same champions she has been for a very long time. Remember people even were playing her in jungle but they nerfed that.
She has Zero movement and yes she can play safe and clear a way but there are tons of champions that can do that same thing but better.
IP Masquerena3 votesGlad that you didn't got called a troll, I for one was, some people even dodged in champ select because "they don't play with trolls that think supports can mid"
There are people that didn't even knew what "old" Morgana did. Had an Ekko (I wasn't the Morgana this time), that got hit by a maxed Q, and started complaining that the new Morgana stuns too long, I tell him that "new" Morgana roots for just as long as the "old" one, and he tells me that's not true.
It's sad that people act like this. I was looking forward to her VGU, as she desperately needed a new model and VO, and now seeing her get nerf after nerf because people finally see how good she is outside of the support role and crying she's too good at the role she was intended for is sad.
Let's just hope that Morgana doesn't become Zyra 2.0.
boricCentaur13 votesThe funny thing is all 3 of them do a similar thing push waves early but zed does that it off of kill pressure he also needs to roam or get a kill to actually be use full in a game whereas liss and morg just push wave and do nothing since there team fight is good and there fall of like zed.
Riot is just making mid lane better zed has to do somthing to you he has to take a fights in laning the other just clear waves and nothing else in laning. I would rather fight zed then the other two any day since its not boring.
Britnéy Spéars3 votesGood point bro. There is usually only 3 AD champs on mid lane played Yasuo, Talon and Zed. The thing is, Yasuo has pretty much weak early game compared how insane he scales to mid to late game and has some weak spots, Talon has a pretty much high kill potential early game, but also he can be poked to death, and when it comes to Zed he has everything, high kill potential after Level 3, after Level 6 even higher, he can be poked but also he has much more dodging potential then Talon, and he also scales great. Also when u mentioned Lissandra is maybe the best mage to pick vs Zed, but if you play saomething like Lux, Ahri, Syndra, Xerath, Ryze, Vel'koz etc...You are fucked up, you have to rush Zhonya's ASAP. That is the only possible way to at least not feed him. But still when you play vs Zed, pick Vlad, in my opinion his biggest counter, and I never had problems with Zed when I pick Vladimir. Also depending on your team comp, if u have AP top lane or jungle, you can pick Irelia, with armor in your rune stats and Ninja Tabi's, and damage reduction on your W, he can't do shiit. But yeah, unluckily he is countering most of the mages at this moment, and you play one of those mages, just prema ban him until some nerfs :)
Bisaknosp3 voteshow does yasuo have a weak early game? xd?
Britnéy Spéars1 votesNot weak, but weak compared to how good he scales and how strong he becomes after 2-3 items :)
Vulkus I3 votesSHADOW NINJA BAD
The thigh guy3 votesGotta make sure the 12 year olds have a current op to play.
Ragnaveil2 votesMorg: Presses W and clears. Liss: Spams Q twice and clears. Zed: Uses every spell to just barely finish clearing the wave.
Also, don't act like those champions haven't been a issue at all. Have you forgotten the disgusting thing that is Aftershock Lissandra?
Anivia Hentai1 votes 
Dope Solo1 votesKassa is so niche rn he doesn't deserve mention here.
Vekkna1 votesZed isn't in pro play, so they'll ignore him for ages.
Zed isn't AP, so they'll ignore him for ages.
Wild Geese1 votesGoing tank vs Zed is a bad idea. He'll shred your early game armor with 
and you won't damage him, then when you get tanky he'll make a 
and smash your face like an adc.
You just have to pick a Mage with a stopwatch, A mobile fighter, or another Assassin. Tanks mid doesn't work.
bluefire mark 21 votesZed doesnt even have a huge play rate
HP Crookshanks1 votesMaybe that's because of his huge ban rate?
