Lucians win and playrate has been steadily declining for a couple of patches now, to the point where he's almost kalistaish in winrate, feels bad having the two most fun adc's around be trash tier, albeit lucian is probably more of a meta problem than him just being trash (like kali).
CaptnJakSparrow2 votesLucian isn't the strongest ADC in the game for the first time since his buffs after release? Gee golly willickers light the fucking torches! x3.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesHe hasn't been "the strongest" for a long time, he's been balanced, but favored in pro play due to having been satisfying at most stages and facets of a game, which is important for pro play. Currently he's satisfying in NONE of the facets of the game... So ehh...
Poske1 votesLucian is one of the strongest adcarries in good hands well so is kalista but even in good hands she is meh
Anyway kalista is getting buffed with rylai nerf as for lucian dont expect him to get buffed
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Lucian is one of the strongest adcarries in good hands well so is kalista but even in good hands she is meh
Anyway kalista is getting buffed with rylai nerf as for lucian dont expect him to get buffed
What champion are you looking at? Most pros don't even play lucian as much anymore. The stats don't lie he needs a damn buff. Do you even check stats bro.
UkeNeverSeme1 votes50-125 game lucian players have an average of below 50 percent winrate, so tbh you are not actually rewarded for mastering the champion, sure he is good for absolutely tearing a hole in people who are decently below your skill, but if you are at approx even mmr, he is just bad. no matter how you put it. bad into current meta, bad into any other adc's (i mean he gets first b power spike to work off, and if that doesn't snowball you're screwed vs other ad's), and he's bad into the current support meta cause he's unsafe, yet he doesn't get rewarded for it like f.ex vayne does.
FioraWillCarry1 votesLucian was the Vayne of Season 6. That's a whole year of being broken thanks to armor pen. A whole year of freelo wasn't enough ?
Sightless661 votesPast history alone is not a good reason to leave a champion this bad. Even if he was that strong (which he wasn't because following his own nerfs mid season 6 he was just average), that's not enough of a reason to justify him being ungodly terrible right now.
FioraWillCarry1 votesPast history alone is not a good reason to leave a champion this bad. Even if he was that strong (which he wasn't because following his own nerfs mid season 6 he was just average), that's not enough of a reason to justify him being ungodly terrible right now.
My point is a lot of people called for it to end when he was dominating bot lane all of season 6 and now you're calling for him to be buffed up again. You had your way for a year. Don't you think it's fair that the people who didn't like it have it their way now ? Ideally you want a solution that pleases everyone but that might be a tad unrealistic. Personally, it doesn't bother me either way since my main champs have little problem dealing with marksmen, even broken ones like Vayne.
Sightless661 votesDon't you think it's fair that the people who didn't like it have it their way now ?
No. Absolutely not. If there are people who can only be happy when someone else's champion is terrible, then they should not be catered to. Terrible champions should be buffed unless there is a legitimate design reason for a champion to be kept weak. People wanting some kind of vengeance for a champion's past history is not good enough.
Also, he did not dominate for all of season 6. For the past 6 months or so following his nerfs he's been outclassed in competitive and solo queue by Jhin, Jinx, and utility carries. So, even if I agreed that it was ok for a champion to be kept weak solely because they were recently strong, Lucian would be a terrible example.
FioraWillCarry1 votesAlso, he did not dominate for all of season 6. For the past 6 months or so following his nerfs he's been outclassed in competitive and solo queue by Jhin, Jinx, and utility carries.
I didn't stop seeing Lucian until armor penetration became lethality which was in the first pre-season patch.
Sightless661 votesLucian had significant nerfs in 6.11, which was back in June. After that, his playrate dropped by more than half, his winrate dropped slightly below 50%, and he went almost completely out of competitive play. We saw Lucian at about the same rate as other AD carries, and he was about as successful as them. He was balanced.
So, unless what you wanted was for him to be useless and therefore unpicked, I don't see how you continuing to see him is a problem in any way, shape or form.
I certainly don't see how it justfies him being so ungodly terrible right now.
FioraWillCarry1 votesI don't see how you continuing to see him is a problem in any way, shape or form.
He was never a problem for me but a lot of people were complaining. On the boards, and in games. Kinda like they're complaining about Vayne now. If you Lucain mains feel he needs buffs, I hope you get them. I'm not against it but a lot of people were sick of him when he was strong.
Sightless661 votesIf you Lucain mains
I am not a Lucain main. I neither own nor like this champion. However, the fact remains that he is a strong contender for being the worst ADC in the game. Statistically, he's putting up an awful show.
a lot of people were complaining.
And unless the champion is actually a balance outlier, they should be ignored. There will always be a part of the League population that wants another champion to be weak because they have a bad history with the champion. That is never worth basing balance decisions on.
I'm not against it but a lot of people were sick of him when he was strong.
Sure, as people get sick of anything when it's strong and highly played. If we used this as a balancing criteria, we'd never be allowed to buff anything that was popular at any point in the past.
I understand that you're not actually advocating for keeping him weak, but I think it needs to be established that the people who do want him weak aren't worth listening to unless they can present an actual design reason necessitating keeping him weak.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesThe armour pen IMO was not even that good after the first round of nerfs, it was really good for pro play, and was kept popular because of that, but if you looked at stats you would see crit builds as highest win rate on some patches, depending on what matchups were meta.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesLucian has never been able of killing an enemy carry with two autoattacks lategame, vayne is (IMO) currently stronger than lucian has ever really been. I see bad vaynes carrying due to dumb luck in the late game currently, Lucian never worked that way.
Calabok1 votesWTF for? hell no!