Clean up unneeded AP ratios

Big Lincoln··3 votes·281 views

Can we do that, Riot?

Shyvana Skarner Volibear Fiora Nocturne Trundle have AP ratios stuffed into their kits when the stat is largely worthless on them. It seems archaic to me; if the ability isn't meant to scale at all, why not just give it no scaling?

The first three, especially; since they're supposed to be Juggernauts, replace their AP ratios entirely with total AD scalings so that standard Juggernaut items feel better for them.

Fiora's riposte could get away with having no scaling, it's a purely defensive ability.

Nocturne's on-hit heal scaling only with AP is worthless; replace the 15% AP with 10% AD or something to that effect. And let his passive bonus damage crit.

Trundle's ult should also have no scaling in my opinion; it's a very powerful ability on its own, maybe up the base value by a teensy bit since it got nerfed a while back.

I think Riot should consider doing a pass like this to clean up unnecessary ratios like this across the board, and possibly change them to something more beneficial for the champion as a whole, if not removing the ratio entirely (I think more abilities should be base damage only, honestly). Streamline things a bit and see where the champions end up.

8 Comments

dakota saturn2 votes

Baron buff gives AP to everyone - those ratios give a extra boost to it.

Big Lincoln1 votes

it gives AD too; should we give some mages AD ratios on their spells so they can make better use of it? Should we give Darius's bleed an AP ratio again?

I would rather have more items that synergize with my kit than a buff I may not even get regularly

dakota saturn1 votes

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it gives AD too; should we give some mages AD ratios on their spells so they can make better use of it? Should we give Darius's bleed an AP ratio again?

I would rather have more items that synergize with my kit than a buff I may not even get regularly

Everyone gets use from AD - everyone has auto attacks.

It used to be every single ability was AP (with a few exceptions) and AD was specifically for auto attacks. There were no AD casters except Kata at first.

So, champs could be built AP or AD, like Trist.

Big Lincoln1 votes

It isn't like that anymore. Most new AD champions are purely AD; AP champs purely AP. The main exception is for utility spells.

The 40 AP that Baron gives is hardly enough reason to keep these champions in the past and benefiting less from items that would otherwise be geared specifically for them.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Shyv, Skarner, and Voli all hate standard juggernaut items last I checked. I would really love them not to be dumped into a cookie cutter juggernaut build.

Big Lincoln1 votes

They already are; Shyvana and Volibear still build item 3748, a juggernaut item. Skarner builds Trinity Force into tank. Having AP ratios doesn't alter their build in any way.

All this would really do for them is make the items they already build feel better on them, and make Sterak's more desirable.

WoonStruck1 votes

Skarner, Shyv, and Volibear often build items like item 3742 item 3053 item 3071 item 3748 item 3078, though Black Cleaver is a bit less common atm on all three.

Escheton1 votes

Last I checked the only spellvamp item gives 80ap. And you get ap from masteries even if you just wanted the ad.

Other than that I like that Nasus or Sion or whoever can benefit from building a dorans ring. Or going full AP. It gives extra niche options for games where it might prove benefitial.

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