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@Riot Why are these compensation buffs so disproportionate?

Eedat··3 votes·570 views

Why are some champs getting WAY more compensation than others? Lets take a look at some. Source.

Lee Sin

  • Sonic Wave (Q1) damage increased from 50/80/110/140/170 to 55/85/115/145/175
  • Tempest (E1) damage increased from 60/95/130/165/200 to 65/100/135/170/205
  • Dragon's Rage (R) damage increased from 150/300/450 to 170/320/470

Ok.

Kayn

  • Reaping Slash (Q) damage increased from 55/75/95/115/135 to 60/80/100/120/140
  • Blade's Reach (W) damage increased from 80/125/170/215/260 to 85/130/175/220/265
  • Umbral Tresspass (R) damage increased from 150/250/350 to 160/260/360

......Alright

Kled

  • Beartrap on a Rope (Q mounted) beartrap damage increased from 25/50/75/100/125 to 30/55/80/105/130
  • Violent Tendencies (W) bonus damage increased from 20/30/40/50/60 to 25/35/45/55/65 Jousting (E) damage increased from 20/45/70/95/120 to 25/50/75/100/125
  • Chaaaaaaaarge!!! (R) percent of target's health as damage increased from 12/15/18% to 14/17/20% max shield value increased from 200/300/400 to 225/325/425

Talon

  • Noxian Diplomacy (Q) damage increased from 60/85/110/135/160 to 65/90/115/140/165
  • Rake (W) return damage increased from 60/85/110/135/160 to 70/95/120/145/170
  • Shadow Assault (R) damage increased from 90/135/180 to 95/140/185

..............

Alright, adding some damage to multiple abilites,

BUT THEN

Wukong

  • Nimbus Strike (E) damage increased from 60/105/150/150/195/240 to 65/110/155/200/245

5 damage on ONE spell for a champ who relies almost entirely on AD ratios?......... his level 1 ult does 20 base damage ffs

Illaoi

  • Leap of Faith (R) damage increased from 150/250/350 to 155/255/355

5 damage on her ult? You mean that one you just walk out of?

Shaco

  • Two-Shiv Poison (E) damage increased from 50/75/100/125/150 to 55/80/105/130/155

New meme?

Why does 54% WR Talon get more compensation than champs in the gutter like MonkeyKing Illaoi? Why are some champs getting TRIPLE the compensation than those who need more help to begin with? Can any Rioter give an actual explanation or are you just trying to tell us you dont care about these champs anymore? I find this very hard to just be an oversight as you were tweaking at least one of their numbers already so there had to be an active decision to not give them any more. It's also unlike other classes that havent gotten their changes on the PBE quite yet. You have made a conscious choice of not giving some champs what they deserve

What is going on?

22 Comments

kasfas4 votes

What is going on?

And I say, #HEEYYEAAAYEAAAYEAYEA #HEEEEYYEAAYEA #I SAID HEY, #WHATS GOING ON?!

Quepha2 votes

Has to do with whether the ability scales with total or bonus AD because base AD is also being buffed, which already provides a damage boost to abilities with total AD ratios

Eedat1 votes

Ah, I see. That makes a bit more sense now. Thanks for answering.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

You never played against Lethality Wukong have you?

Eedat2 votes

Wukong is my main, so yes I have played it

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

Against

Eedat2 votes

What is the point you're trying to make? I know the strengths and weaknesses of Wukong

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

He pretty much two shots any squishy with a large amount of CC and Duskblade passive and LW, so yeah.. no thanks.

Eedat2 votes

Lol no. Im sorry if you got caught out by a fed Wukong, but you even main enchanters which hard counter him like non-other. Legit make him useless. The only time you assassinate someone as Wukong is if you're very fed or the enemy has zero defenses built, in which case there are a ton of champs that will 100-0 you

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

He doesn’t need to be fed since Lethality scales with your own level...

Eedat2 votes

.........the difference between 2 levels is like 3-4 lethality with 2 lethality items. Not sure what you're trying to say with that point tbh

BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votes

2 items not including armor pen.

Also the point is he doesn't need to be fed to be relevant he needs to just keep up in levels.

Eedat1 votes

No. thats including armor pen

so the point is he doesn't need to be fed to be relevant he needs to just keep up in levels.

.............what? This doesnt even make sense to me. You cant afford items when behind and you're lethality won't even outpace base armor if you dont have great gold income

BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votes

When did I ever mention anything about falling behind?

As a solo laner you shouldn't even fall behind that you're under leveled vs a carries unless you're playing Wukong in the jungle.

Also Wukong gets free armor pen from his Q, so even if he does fall behind he's still relevant as they stack and if he's still getting exp, obviously if you fall behind and can't afford anything that's a different story.

Eedat1 votes

When did I ever mention anything about falling behind?

he needs to just keep up in levels.

You can get zoned off farm but stay in XP range. You said he JUST needs to keep up on levels

BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votes

I mean if you're going to take things that literal no point continuing a conversation, especially with such a satire response.

ChuShoe1 votes

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Eedat1 votes

there we go with "enchanters are broken" and "you main this so blah blah your point is irrelevant"

Literally never said any of this. I said Enchanters counter Wukong, which they do. I've said it many times over the years, whether enchanters are meta or not.

lethality wu is stupid. Balanced, but stupid.

Obviously must be super strong if its balanced right?

Overall, you're being really dumb.

You're calling me stupid when your entire post is based on things I never said. Right.

Jeddy0171 votes

I recall reading a Rioter comment about the changes in base damages for abilities. It was about compensating abilities that scale of off BONUS AD rather than total. Because even if they buff up the base AD, it wouldn't help those who rely on bonus AD. That's why some champs have more abilities getting buff than others. Only Wukong's E scale with bonus AD whereas Lee's Q1, E1 & R scale with bonus AD.

Salron1 votes

Skills that scale with total AD are being indirectly buffed by base stat changes so stuff like Wukong Q or Illaoi Tentacles don't need more base damage

GrievousFetus1 votes

...because how much they're compensated scales with how much bonus AD they scale with, since they're also penalized more by the removal of AD reds and quints.

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