Gangplank barrels need to be gutted

Jefftiffy··3 votes·910 views

They are way too much of his kit. And its so unsafe to kill them unless you are someone like Caitlyn. And to top it off with their high damage they have high armor pen and can crit. Critting an ADC for 1k+ damage from farther range than they can ever hope to dream of is really BS especially if you think about the fact that he can also just ignore the barrels and flash kill you with a Q aa and the barrels have AoE.

Combine it with his global ult and he literally is one of the most oppressive champs to play against considering his ult alone does at least 200 damage at rank 1 thanks to thunderlords.

At least make his barrels ignore 40% of bonus armor instead of 40% of armor. I mean they already crit and do bonus damage, do AoE, slow, refresh his passive, give him a speed boost, add bonus gold to kills, and have longer range than most ADCs and can even fuel his ult.

I mean you could even slow down the chaining but I feel that would ruin him. I feel he already is strong enough from how much global presence he gives being able to essentially able to snowball his other lanes without even leaving his.

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dakota saturn2 votes

Lol what? He's one of the few champs where you can completely avoid almost all of his damage. How is that oppressive? He has to actually outplay you to do -anything- to you in lane, by chaining it into a barrel in the brushes or something. I actually think he's a well-designed champ.

Did you not play vs any of his bullshit iterations before? Especially the first iteration where he'd execute his own minions, denying you CS, and pushing his own lane toward his turret so you couldn't even farm. THAT was bullshit.

I think being Melee vs like Teemo is way more oppressive - he's totally point and click so if you're anywhere near him, you get blinded, can't CS, and take a ton of dmg.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Lol what? He's one of the few champs where you can completely avoid almost all of his damage. How is that oppressive? He has to actually outplay you to do -anything- to you in lane, by chaining it into a barrel in the brushes or something. I actually think he's a well-designed champ.

Did you not play vs any of his bullshit iterations before? Especially the first iteration where he'd execute his own minions, denying you CS, and pushing his own lane toward his turret so you couldn't even farm. THAT was bullshit.

I think being Melee vs like Teemo is way more oppressive - he's totally point and click so if you're anywhere near him, you get blinded, can't CS, and take a ton of dmg.

Except he even influences other lanes. Teemo may shit on you in lane but he isn't going to fuck over your bot lane at the same time. Also you can itemize against Teemo. Against GP its basically beat him hard before 6 and then hope your team never gets in a position that his ult can snowball his team. Its an extremely oppressive gamestyle and 100% unfun to play against if GP knows what he is doing.

You aren't going to kill him in lane if he plays safe and he can snowball his team from the same relative safety. You can't even stop him either because his ult is instant and doesn't have any channel or anything. If at the very least it had like a 1s to 2s time where he couldn't do anything while he ulted, I would be fine with his barrels. But the combination of his ult and his barrels make him extremely oppressive if you don't hard counter him and keep him shut down.

LordGeovanni1 votes

the iteration before this one was far better and more fair than this one just that people didnt use the power of his e and riot phaseing out aoe buffs

Tormentula2 votes

I don't believe "oppressive" is the proper description for GP. Yea he hurts, but he's not that big of a bully in lane the way his kit works with levels, his ult doesn't do THAT much until late game, and all his abilities and spells are very well telegraphed to avoid. Even his oranges can be outplayed.

I agree he's seen his balance issues throughout history but right now he's in a weird, in the middle spot.

Jefftiffy2 votes

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I don't believe "oppressive" is the proper description for GP. Yea he hurts, but he's not that big of a bully in lane the way his kit works with levels, his ult doesn't do THAT much until late game, and all his abilities and spells are very well telegraphed to avoid. Even his oranges can be outplayed.

I agree he's seen his balance issues throughout history but right now he's in a weird, in the middle spot.

The biggest point is that you are trying to outplay GP in lane. On top of trying to outplaying him so he can't influence other lanes. If you simply go neutral with him you lose. You literally have to make him focus solely on lane to even have a shot at winning the other lanes. On top of that he spikes at 6 and just keeps getting stronger from there. It's not like his pre-6 is that weak. It can lose to really strong lane bullies like Renekton or Gnar, but if you don't hard counter him or control him really hard he is going to snowball either from extra gold from farming or from the global ults raking him in assists and snowballing his team.

His early game is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Sure thats the easiest time to outplay his barrels, but the second he leaves lane the barrels are near impossible to outplay because you have 4 other champs to worry about and even just in 1v1 it's a risk just to try to disarm it. This is completely ignoring the fact that he can hide them in bushes to cheese people before they can react.

The oppressive I mean is that you have to beat him in lane or you lose and even then he could have potentially just ulted your bot lane and snowballed the ADC and support. So sure you get 300g on him but his bot lane gets 600+ for killing yours worst case and he gets about 100 assist gold.

There's just so much shit loaded into his barrels it feels like if he fucks up you win if not you lose. All the power is in his hands and there is almost none in yours if you don't hard counter him.

LordGeovanni1 votes

those barrels are definitely oppressive. you build to counter his damage and he ignores most of it and he can just sit them there and you cant even walk into farm

Ben SwoIo1 votes

I don't think the damage needs any fixing, but the time they are left out should be. Kinda like Cait's traps. They shouldn't be thrown out and allowed to sit there forever. Should be more thought into when and how you use them, not just throw out and let it sit n wait.

LordGeovanni1 votes

considering it has to arm im fine with them sitting there and even if it takes more to disarm them like 2 shots from an enemy and one for gp one its reaches its lowest im fine with that once they lower the armor penetration on the barrels

Salron1 votes

lol

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