I feel like the more counterplay a champ has the more garbage they are

Cloud273·Jan 13, 2019·1 votes·1,822 views

You can write an essay telling me how cancerous/broken Galio, Ezreal, Yasuo, Irelia and Aatrox are, but the fact is their abilities can be dodged and that alone makes them healthy regardless of how much damage they do or how well they scale. And then you have champions like Wukong, Shaco, Jax and Udyr whose abilities can't be dodged at all and do just as much damage as the aforementioned champs. So what's the point of playing champs with counterplay when there are champs with zero counterplay who are just as strong? I'd seriously LOVE to know.

11 Comments

Fire BlaustoiseJan 14, 20192 votes

So what's the point of playing champs with counterplay when there are champs with zero counterplay who are just as strong?

No point but... the ones with counterplay have plenty more tools than old one. Like you can compare Wukong to Camille. There no reason to pick Wukong when reaching decent elo (was same when he was judged as op by low elos). Champs with low counterplay usualy are predictable.

Wukong isnt strong btw (he's trash). Jax has counterplay. Udyr isnt strong too, too easly kiteable in high elo.

Cloud273Jan 14, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=05wBTYZe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-14T03:16:08.037+0000)

No point but... the ones with counterplay have plenty more tools than old one. Like you can compare Wukong to Camille. There no reason to pick Wukong when reaching decent elo (was same when he was judged as op by low elos). Champs with low counterplay usualy are predictable.

Wukong isnt strong btw (he's trash). Jax has counterplay. Udyr isnt strong too, too easly kiteable in high elo.

If Jax times the jump+stun combo correctly what's the counterplay to that? I can't think of anything. With Udyr it's literally impossible to fail with your abilities because they never miss (maybe you might accidentally hit the wrong target sometimes, but you're always getting SOMETHING done when you use them). He can stay in his stances as long as he wants and most of them have fairly short cooldowns. And yea he can be kited, but he's also a split push monster. If you leave him alone he will destroy your structures. And good luck trying to punish him. He just runs away and it's a complete waste of your time.

Fire BlaustoiseJan 14, 20191 votes

If Jax times the jump+stun combo correctly what's the counterplay to that?

using your abilities and take distance cause his stun isnt insta unlike Renekton, Riven...

If you leave him alone he will destroy your structures. And good luck trying to punish him.

Ofc, you need to know how deal with splitt.

PoskeJan 14, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=05wBTYZe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-14T03:16:08.037+0000)

No point but... the ones with counterplay have plenty more tools than old one. Like you can compare Wukong to Camille. There no reason to pick Wukong when reaching decent elo (was same when he was judged as op by low elos). Champs with low counterplay usualy are predictable.

Wukong isnt strong btw (he's trash). Jax has counterplay. Udyr isnt strong too, too easly kiteable in high elo.

Hate to be that guy but cammile is not really a champion you should think of when you hear counterplay I know on paper it seems like she has counterplay but in reallity she doesnt

D357R0Y3RJan 14, 20191 votes

Yea, Also idk why Warwick is listed as "no counterplay" champion

his damage is shit before you're 50% hp his ult can be dodged his movement speed is cancelled if he takes damage

Fire BlaustoiseJan 14, 20191 votes

I get your point.... and agree at least for her ult (its the only issue i have as toplaner).

Hayaishi2Jan 14, 20191 votes

Exactly. This is why Wukong specifically should remain unviable garbage until he is reworked. It's 2019, point and click no counterplay burst should disappear.

Fire BlaustoiseJan 14, 20191 votes

no, they should make him viable again. When they nerfed him he was already weak enough against good players (granted in low elo where players still learn the game he was strong).

Just MonikhaJan 14, 20191 votes

"Shaco has no counterplay" lmfaooooooooo please learn building tabi red trinket then come again and we can eventually talk... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Cloud273Jan 14, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Just Monikha,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=05wBTYZe,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-14T08:56:23.608+0000)

"Shaco has no counterplay" lmfaooooooooo please learn building tabi red trinket then come again and we can eventually talk... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Funny how you fail to mention he can place his traps while stealthed. By the time you stop being feared and you're actually able to use your red trinket (assuming it's even off cooldown) he's already had his way with you (or outright killed you).

Just MonikhaJan 14, 20191 votes

Funny how you fail to mention that red trinket inactivate his boxes and reveal his position, he s already dead if he Q in and will just give you more gold with boxes and miniboxes.