Anyone else think Sorcs, Mercs, and Tabis are hand down the best boot options?

dunder kill·Mar 9, 2017·9 votes·1,841 views

It seems like are a no-brainer against CC heavy teams and are God-tier depending on their comp. are amazing considering half of all champs get 30 base MR for the entirety of the match. They're a super strong early powerspike

The other choices seem bad by comparison.

feel useless with the amount of CDR they've crammed into every build. I almost never build these because they'll just end up pushing me over 40% CDR

are OK situationally but provide absolutely no in-combat benefits

barely give any extra movement speed compared to other boots and the passive is shit compared to Mercs

I think are just crap in general IMO. Even watching LCS games you'll see ADCs ignore these and build Mercs or Tabis instead.

Not sure if are too strong or if the others are too weak.

33 Comments

CochoMar 9, 201714 votes

I wish they would undo the nerfs to item 3009 that happened in S6. Nobody builds them anymore. They reduced the movement speed by 10 and increased the cost by 100.

SpoofghoulMar 10, 20171 votes

I think item 3009 should reduce the duration of slows by 25% and the effectiveness by 50%

There are so many slows in the game it's bullshit but this boots doesn't really help much, item 3111 are more effective for that and give magic resistance

Fondling GemsMar 10, 20171 votes

Actually if we are talking about constantly layered slows then Swifty boots are far more effective than merc treads since if slows are getting layered on faster than they are wearing off reducing their duration wont be as effective as reducing the strength of the slow.

WoonStruckMar 10, 20172 votes

And buffed every other boot option.

I doubt they'd be as must-have as they were. Tabi, mercs, Serker, and mobis were complete trash back when Swifties were must-have.

AhristocatsMar 9, 20177 votes

item 3020 gives way too much damage against squishies, i saw someone doing the math it's insane especially if you combine it with hunted desguise that was buffed

item 3047 armor vs lethality meta, nuff said

item 3111 i actually don't see them a lot

EedatMar 9, 20175 votes

Works out like this When the target doesnt have any MR built

Most champs are going to have 30 base MR + ~10 from runes for 40 total.

40 MR reduces incoming magic damage by 28.5%.

Minus item 3020 and you get 25 MR which only reduces damages by 20% (+8.5% damage)

Minus item 3136 and you get 10 MR which only reduces damage by 10% (+ 18.5% damage total)

You could factor in Magic Pen Reds as well + masteries which means you deal more than true damage lol

AhristocatsMar 9, 20172 votes

i also take MR pen quints on vladimir and mages, they give +6 combined with reds it's +14 mr pen

Its All SkillzzMar 10, 20171 votes

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i also take MR pen quints on vladimir and mages, they give +6 combined with reds it's +14 mr pen

i been thinking about doing this on ap ez to give me true damage vs people with 30 mr. ap quints aint that good since you dont got a strong early game.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 10, 20171 votes

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Works out like this When the target doesnt have any MR built

Most champs are going to have 30 base MR + ~10 from runes for 40 total.

40 MR reduces incoming magic damage by 28.5%.

Minus and you get 25 MR which only reduces damages by 20% (+8.5% damage)

Minus and you get 10 MR which only reduces damage by 10% (+ 18.5% damage total)

You could factor in Magic Pen Reds as well + masteries which means you deal more than true damage lol

You are only going to do that kind of dmg only to their mid and support(if they don't happen to have any mr items) though in the lethality + item 3155 meta(where tanks should also buy mr as well).

AhristocatsMar 10, 20171 votes

you're talking as if mages don't play against mages in some games only midlaners that are going to build hexdrinker are talon and zed, kata won't same for leblanc, vladimir, corki, and every mages

and once you have voidstaff it's going to remove a lot of total mr making sorcery boots relevant once again in the game

ExcusemeFellowsMar 10, 20172 votes

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you're talking as if mages don't play against mages in some games only midlaners that are going to build hexdrinker are talon and zed, kata won't same for leblanc, vladimir, corki, and every mages

and once you have voidstaff it's going to remove a lot of total mr making sorcery boots relevant once again in the game

Meh, true enough, but that's still only gonna be two targets that you can have(maybe one depending on the supp).

dunder killMar 9, 20172 votes

Sorcs are sleeper OP. They're so good

Tabi kind of explain themselves but are still ridiculously good. People can rush them first item in certain matchups and they give an insane amount of tankiness for how cheap they are

Mercs I still see a lot tbh. Depends on how much CC the enemy team has

5000000000000000Mar 10, 20175 votes

Sorcs aren't "sleeper" OP Everyone knows it's one of the best items

Papa SlothyMar 10, 20175 votes

Ionian boots are really good if you need flash to make plays happen as well as 40% CDR very quickly

XonraMar 10, 20172 votes

Much like Rammus is good if you are against an all adc team in ranked or something.

Situational, and good in that 1 situation, but otherwise, just go with the better option.

LankPantsMar 10, 20173 votes

Of course you see Tabi built a lot right now, it's not that they're overpowered, it's that there's like 20 ADs in the meta, 5 APs and 5 tanks. When the meta's a Lethality based AD caster/assassin shitfest they're the logical choice of boots, but they're also not the problem. The fact that it's a Lethality based AD caster/assassin shitfest meta is.

XonraMar 10, 20171 votes

They also got buffed not long back and no one realized how ridiculous they were until the whole "lethality bs meta" started. They weren't that useful though so the strong was fine, but almost all ad teams half the time make them suddenly stick out...which as we know, Riot is gonna nerf them now (which pisses me right the hell off, because lethality needs fixing not boots)

peacedizzleMar 9, 20172 votes

honestly i feel like they need t2 boots that have activate features like the mobility boots could activate to give move speed aura to teammates like ascension does. just my 2 cents

ExcusemeFellowsMar 10, 20172 votes

I don't think they are hands down the best options since they are only supposed to be placed on our feet(~~sorry~~, not sorry).

Jinzo TorranceMar 9, 20171 votes

Too strong, but sorc were always bought.

five oh tree Mar 9, 20171 votes

item 3006 still give a ridiculous amount of attack speed for gold invested. ADCs in the LCS ignore them so they won't be blown to pieces instantly, not because they're i any way bad.

I would like to add that certain junglers (kindred?) complete these before the jungle item because the attack speed they give is much higher than recurve bow for basically the same price AND it gives tier 2 boots MS.

item 3158 These are often the cheapest cdr option in the game. Certain champs build these so they can still hit max cdr and get a stronger offense/defense item that does not have cdr in it. Such as randuin, or duskblade.

item 3117 Made for roaming, not for combat. I don't see the problem with these.

item 3009 Slow resist is a very strong stat, but I agree these boots are below others. It needs some sort of slight buff to bring it in line.

FalconPawwwwnchMar 9, 20171 votes

Mercs are trash

Tabi are overpowered af but mostly because rest of armor items are shit

XonraMar 10, 20171 votes

Tabi aren't overpowered lol They are only bought so much right now cause most of the top champs are ad or lethality users/abusers. No other reason.

Mercs aren't being used right now cause...well there are barely any ap champs any where, and CC is like , tanks or Ashe.

YumaS2AstralMar 10, 20171 votes

I actually like to get item 3158 boots on mages, together with item 3165 and 10% scaling CDR blues, I can reach 40% CDR easily, leaving me room to build items like item 3285 . If for some reason I need item 3001 or item 3157 , I simply replace one of the items on my build, then I build item 3020 instead.

item 3158 is also useful on AD casters. You can use 10% CDR runes, then build Ionians, item 3142 , and a second AD item that offers 10% CDR like item 3812 or item 3156 . Or you can build Ionians, Youmuu, and item 3071 , then instead of using CDR runes, using something like MR runes.

I also use it on enchant supports like Lulu and Soraka because they love the summoner spell cooldown reduction.

Speaking of it, people often overlook the fact that Ionian Boots also has summoner spell cooldown reduction. This is very useful if you get things like Flash + Ghost, or if you have Teleport or Exhaust. I like to get that SS CDR mastery on the Resolve tree for Vladimir, then combine it with Ionian Boots, for further SS CDR.

Troll for TrumpMar 10, 20171 votes

tfw item 3117 has to be bought on Talon

XeroKimoMar 10, 20171 votes

I pair Ionian boots with the summoner spell CDR on masteries on champs that like to flash engage and stuff like that, it's really useful

WoonStruckMar 10, 20171 votes

Ionian perfectly fits into many builds, especially manaless. IIRC, they're more purchased than Sorc's.

Other than that, agreed.

XonraMar 10, 20171 votes

They are "more purchased" than Sorc because there are far less mages being played in the meta right now, and most supports get them, as well as people like Ivern

WoonStruckMar 10, 20171 votes

...and anyone that runs Ghost/Flash.

At least at higher MMRs.

agbudarMar 10, 20171 votes

item 3009 item 3117 are garbage too many nerfs. mobility boots need to have the same movement speed as other normal boots in combat simple as that. swifties need to get a small boost in what they give like 5 movement speed more just to nudge them in the right direction.

item 3006 give em 15 lethality instead?

RusselChambersMar 10, 20171 votes

item 3111 feel under powered lately, too many damn knockups imo item 3047 are a godsend against 5 ad threat comps, yasuo, adcs, ect ect item 3020 Decent pick but works better early or vs squishys before mr is build item 3009 Personally always get them if im waaay ahead and enemy has a Sejuani Cassiopeia type of line up item 3158 Kinda mixed about this one. Great on Olaf , dont really build it otherwise item 3117 Meh