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I think Riot needs to take a look at Phage movespeed

LegacyDAP··1 votes·473 views

This item is literally taken on 90% of meta top laners and gives 60 flat MS for just attacking an enemy champion or killing a minion. This wouldn't be much of a problem if it wasn't so easily abused and used as a large zoning tool but also a stick to your opponent and escape tool.

Maybe change Phage to a 3 second buff of 45 MS when hitting a champion and give it a passive 15 MS on the item itself, but make it so it goes on a 20 second cooldown after being proc'd. I can guarantee you the armor pen is definitely not the main problem of this item, it's just how easy it is to apply the armor pen because of the amount of MS it gives for you to stick on your target.

This item is literally just being abused by everyone, especially Fiora and Pantheon because they'll auto a minion and charge at you and poke you and then peel off because they still have a 60 MS buff because they hit you.

Yeah I know it's not perfect, but just an idea rather. I don't like seeing this being taken on everyone and their mother.

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420 grams4 votes

It only gives 20 movement speed unless the unit is killed. Its not op because that's the only way a lot of melee champions can stick to range ones. Look at your "90% of meta top laners" that build it (which no idea where you got that statistic). How many of them are melee?

Grymmstrike1 votes

Also look at the fact that most of the range champs also have dashes and stuff to stay away from the melee champs to begin with >.<

LegacyDAP1 votes

How often do you think you're going to be killing units in lane? Pretty fucking often, and if they zone the wave outside of their turret you can't ever walk up to get cs without being punished. Melee champions aren't supposed to stick to ranged champions at all, UNLESS they're an assassin or have insane gap closers, which most of the champions being played have those so I don't see why they need to get a 60 MS buff too, and if this is the case what's wrong with having a 45 MS buff with extra flat 15 MS as passive that goes on a CD, 3 seconds as a melee is just enough time to get a kill on a ranged. I'm not saying Ranged champions aren't broken right now, because they sure as hell are with current itemization, but this one item has been favorable for this entire season, it's literally just broken. 90% was an exaggeration, but almost all AD top laners played in Challenger take it.

420 grams2 votes

"gives 60 flat MS for just attacking an enemy champion" "poke you and then peel off because they still have a 60 MS buff because they hit you" I think you should read the item and your own post before trying to argue about it. Otherwise, it really decredits anything you say.

Also, I think you're wrong about "Melee champions aren't supposed to stick to ranged champions at all" because league doesn't like to have no counter play. Ranged champions already win lane just because they're ranged (assuming both players are equal skill) and making them immune to melee at all points would mean everyone would only pick ranged champions since melee champions "aren't supposed to stick to them"

LegacyDAP1 votes

Ahh, shit your right. I totally read it wrong. It just feels like the person has a fuck load of movespeed when they engage and disengage on me, but it's probably just a 20 MS buff.

This second part though I'm still correct, melee champions aren't supposed to stick to enemy champions, which is why the MS buff is only 20 instead of 60 (cause I can't read lmao). However it seems you didn't read the rest of the sentence I wrote.

UNLESS they're an assassin or have insane gap closers, which most of the champions being played have those so I don't see why they need to get a 60 MS buff too.

This is what I said, and of course the second part saying the 60 MS buff is just flat out wrong, however the first part about melee champions that shouldn't be able to stick to ranged champions that is if the ranged champion kites well shouldn't happen.

Bruiser gap closer Melee's peel and take out the front line, they shouldn't stick to the back line or be able to ever stick to the backline. However gap closing melees/assassins are the only things that should actually be touching the backline as melee.

420 grams1 votes

If they can reach the back line threw your teams cc and their gap closers and stay on them long enough to kill them, then there's a different problem than their 5% movement speed boost. And with your theory, in any situation a fighter would not be able to kill a ranged champ because the range champ can never be caught

LegacyDAP1 votes

Not a good one if they're fighting a Darius or anything without a gap closer.

Most meta champions can get to the backline though with ignoring CC. Pantheon, Fiora, Jayce, Darius, Riven, Olaf, Irelia just to name a few. The thing they all have in common is that they ALL rush fucking Black Cleaver first or second because it's so stupidly strong on them.

VoraciousX3 votes

Are we really looking to nerf top laner itemization when ADC itemization and support itemization is so bonkers? Also like 420 Grams said, it's 20 MS unless it's a kill. It's really not that strong an MS buff, as I've tried testing it on my attack speed Jhin tests. It's not really that great.

Clayblob22 votes

You sound very mad and angry, here have a snickers my friend

Irelia Bot1 votes

I would gladly give it up for 12% movement speed and a change to slow on hit being back on Trinity.

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