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Graves nerfs when?

TheSingularity··11 votes·6,047 views

He's been broken for far too long. And just about every game he's in, sucks for the opponents purely because it's graves. Boasting a high playrate and winrate and ban rate! You'd think Riot would consider him a problem and would do something about it

He has one of, if not the fastest and safest clear in the game. Faster than shyvana, healthier than Zac, and a 1v1 just as good as xin zhao's. CC, sustain through cheap special treatment monsters-only CC, burst, DPS and all this for a minuscule amount of mechanical input. Right click and spam away. The dam projectiles are that wide aiming isn't at all relevant. His so called kiting is practically skill-less, a jungle monster would be lucky to land a single blow through the dam knock back.

He's horrid to vs. Beating just about every jungle in scuttle wars. He clears that dam fast he can clear his blue side and my red side before I can clear my own blue side. He's just... he's like Nasus, yasuo or Zoe. He's anti fun because not only is he "jack of all trades" but he excels at all of these trades (usually the trade off is being average when u have an abundance of tools)

Crush him into dust until you rework him again, and hopefully without screwing it up and turning him into a jungle balance nightmare. Just like pre rework fiora, kalista, old kassadin ect. A champion this well rounded and this dam good at just about anything, shouldn't be allowed to be this strong

Nerf the armor gained from his E or reduce his movement speed by 5-10. But most importantly, ,** remove the dam monster knock back.** If he needs such special treatment to jungle, THEN HE SHOUDLN'T BE A JUNGLER AT ALL! Where's Ashe Bard Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Jhin Jinx Kaisa Kalista Lucian Kindred KogMaw Quinn Sivir Varus Twitch Vayne Xayah monster specific CC? Because I can tell you right now, jhin could jungle just fine before these stupid scuttle changes. Jhin, a champ with fk all CC, low early game DPS vs monsters and only a single decent dmg spell... could jungle fine without such special treatment. So why in hell does graves need it?

18 Comments

Daddy Ants6 votes

Camille Talon Vladimir Irelia

Wheres the nerfs?

TheSingularity5 votes

Honestly don't mind camille and vlad.

But talon and irelia can go into the trash can

Ranmaru3 votes

So remove half of graves kit? That'd be like saying

Patch 8.12 patch notes

UDYR: We decided to cut off udyrs passive i think that if udyr needs special treatment he should not be a jungler at all.

Kindred: We think that kindred should get her passive removed due to getting special treatment

TheSingularity1 votes

Nerfed armor gain from E (not removed) Removed monster knock back. Hmmm, 1 aspect of a 5 component kit equates to removing half of his kit.

As for ur examples, how is udyr in any way special treatment? It, like vel'koz passive, simply syngergises with his kit. It doesn't directly aid with him jungling. It helps him, period. Same with Kindred. She may gain marks from monsters, but they don't give her (+X% damage vs monsters), it's +X% dmg vs EVERYTHING!

Ur examples fail as they aren't special treatment at all. graves' passive knock back is there purely to jungle

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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He's been broken for far too long. And just about every game he's in, sucks for the opponents purely because it's graves.

He wasn't even 50% win rate for 80% of the season until 8.8. He was nerfed on both 8.10 and 8.11.

His winrate is less then 51%.

Graves doesn't need nerfs jungle needs to get it's gutted XP back.

0 Hogapu3 votes

"graves doesn't need nerfs" lol

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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"graves doesn't need nerfs" lol

He doesn't. He is literally worse now then he was on 8.7 and they buffed him because he was weak... What needs to happen is JG needs too get most of it's 1-7XP back, so that Gold reliant junglers like graves/xin don't have massive advantages over XP reliant ones. Graves is factually weaker then when he was 4% play rate a 49% win rate.

0 Hogapu2 votes

how is he fatctually weaker when he wins litteraly every single 1v1 early game (except xin and udyr) giving him an absurd lead throughout the whole game ? and dont tell me 'he has a worse winrate' cause this doesn't mean anything to me.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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how is he fatctually weaker when he wins litteraly every single 1v1 early game (except xin and udyr) giving him an absurd lead throughout the whole game ? and dont tell me 'he has a worse winrate' cause this doesn't mean anything to me.

They nerfed Shiv items which he builds, they lowered his base AD, they increased his ulti CD, they nerfed fleet footwork which is the keystone he uses, they nerfed machete which he always takes first, they nerfed JG xp so much that for almost a 3rd of avg game time jungle is nearly a full level lower. He is worse and everything in the jungle is much worse then it was before.

None of this is opinion those are facts, he and the jungle role as a whole is much worse. Like it's actually disgusting how bad this role is atm.

0 Hogapu2 votes

They might have nerfed him in every single way, but he remains much strongrr than any other jungler currrently. And this is enough to make him broken in the meta, cause jungle is not such a bad role atm - just that it was completly busted before. :)

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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They might have nerfed him in every single way, but he remains much strongrr than any other jungler currrently. And this is enough to make him broken in the meta, cause jungle is not such a bad role atm - just that it was completly busted before. :)

No, he didn't get stronger. He got weaker. This is a fact. It's just that other junglers got it worse for the changes. Graves doesn't need nerfs, he's not even remotely good compared to the power picks in other roles like Irelia, Graves doesn't need nerfs. Jungle needs most of it's XP back so junglers that rely on levels can actually jungle.

Jungle is literally the lowest impact and lowest requested role in the game.

0 Hogapu1 votes

I mean, if every champion had all its stats halved, while graves only have 75% of its stats, he would factually become weaker - even though he would be stronger. my point is exagerated but u get it. and there's a reason why graves is so much banned, its busted as fck. jungle might have a lesser impact than it used to, but it still has a lot of power. people just don't want to realize it.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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I mean, if every champion had all its stats halved, while graves only have 75% of its stats, he would factually become weaker - even though he would be stronger.

Correct. But not every champ was "halved" only Jungle was "halved" other roles weren't and Graves wasn't nerfed by Less he was nerfed more JG nerfs, item nerfs, keystone nerfed and champ nerfed. That's the problem with your argument. Don't get me wrong Graves is a good champ right now, but he is FAR from OP or Busted.

0 Hogapu1 votes

If he got nerfed that hard from so much things, why is he top tier jungler atm then ? champ is top 2 best jungler with xin and that's a fact. He is really too strong now.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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If he got nerfed that hard from so much things, why is he top tier jungler atm then ? champ is top 2 best jungler with xin and that's a fact. He is really too strong now.

Because XP isn't as important to him and Xin as it to other junglers since those 2 scale with gold more then levels. They didn't nerf JG gold just XP. He is factually weaker then he was period, factually not "strong" he is factually worse compared to other roles. He doesn't need nerf the JG needs it's XP back.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

If they are going to remove the knockback, then please just against jungle creatures and not minions, I am playing Graves exclusively in the bot lane and the knockback against minions helps not getting pushed into the tower all the time.

And don't dare to remove his armor from E. This is one of the things that makes him working for me in bot lane, especially in match ups against tank supports.

50 Shades a Lulu1 votes

as a nidalee player i face graves almost every game and he loses everytime. hes forced to gank or die in the jungle. the reason why he is strong is because naturally reatrds pick all ad team comps meaning his quickdraw has more use. dont play ad champs. pick some ap mid top support and you should be fine. i think graves is fine. But thats only because i play nidalee his hard counter a faster lvl 3 lvl 4 clear. :0

Bisaknosp1 votes

-3 ad will fix it xd

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