Katarina changes on PBE aren't healthy

0 Hogapu··1 votes·1,038 views

Reminder of what is getting tested for Kat on the PBE :

Death Lotus (R) cooldown changed from : 90/60/45 to 135/75/15

So yeah she is going to have 15sec on her ult in late game. Yeah 15sec is the same time of her passive.

And yeah, that is actually nerf. Because average game length does not go over 28min in this meta, and that at 28min, there is little to no chance that you have already hit level 16. Katarina will then have 135sec on her ult at level 6, which is a nerf that does not affect her much more than this, as all her damage come from her basic abilities in early-mid game, and not that much from ultimate. People can think of "wtf she can reset her ultimate CD with every kill, that is broken", and that is, but as I said it will not happen that much, given the shortness of average game length.

SO basically, Kata will get a nerf (that she totally deserves), WHILE being even more banned than she used to be -because people dont want of this champion that can basically reset on the whole team, without any skill (If i miss my ult? Nvm, can do it again, up to 4 times in a fight !) nor any counterplay.

If you guys really want to nerf Kata, nerf her on her shunpo : remove the auto attack reset that she has never got in the past, that was just a folk and useless buff to her already overloaded kit (just like Rengar's ult making him crit XD), making her so good at going all-in level 2 and getting a kill 85% of the time, while also nerfing her Hextech Gunblade build, and limiting her ability to push towers.

That was a message from a Katarina main that wants to play her champ - peace :)

TL;DR : changes are bad because :

  • there is no real counterplay to getting instantly reset off by a Katarina,
  • this not a buff below level 16, which you don't hit 100% games
  • her ban rate will go up, which is sad for a nerfed champ

Nerf proposition : removing shunpo auto-attack reset

13 Comments

Aminumbra2 votes

Well, the thing is, games are actually longer than 28 minutes in low ELO. I don't know abut high ELO, never been there, but I think that in the low ranks where games often last for 40+ min this is a buff. Kata has always been good to destroy low ranked players, and she often gets lots and lots of kills. For this reason, the super-long CD at lvl 6 isn't that much important, because :

  • She usually doesn't need it to kill.
  • She'll recover her CD quite fast anyway, due to the shape the low rank games have ( lots of kills in early/mid game ).

But at lvl 16+, which she will often reach, she will simply be unstoppable. Litterally. As a low ELO player myself, I already know that I am going to 100% ban Katarina, cause if she ( like she always do ) become fed in early, despite her nerf, there will be absolutely no counterplay to the champ, not even the usual"We got late + CC let's just tempo".

IMO, the Kata problem doesn't come from her ult, but damages on daggers + shunpo's CD. Compared to her ult, it's easier to counter both of them ( stay away from daggers, CC her when she dashes on a dagger - you know she will ), but there are still ratios + CD that allow her to do mistakes, especially in lower ranks.

For me, this patch is an insane buff for low ELO Katarinas, and may be a nerf at higher ELOs where I don't know if Kata is such a good pick anyway.

0 Hogapu1 votes

I agree with your vision of low elo problem, she will be unstoppable.

Glîtchy1 votes

I say the ult every 15 seconds is an absolute bs idea, if it is added, then she'll probably face a 100% ban rate, like Kassadin used to.

0 Hogapu1 votes

This is something that definitely needs to be avoided. Again, these changes will not buff Katarina overall, while making her impossible to pick. I really dont know what is their plan, that could be cool if we had some Rioters POV

Glîtchy1 votes

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This is something that definitely needs to be avoided. Again, these changes will not buff Katarina overall, while making her impossible to pick. I really dont know what is their plan, that could be cool if we had some Rioters POV

The problem I have with Kay's change is that she'll be more burst while still being hard to catch.

Infinite Saught1 votes

I don't think you understand why they made this change. No, she will not get more burst; her ultimate still functions the exact same way.

Glîtchy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infinite Naught,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=006cKcVU,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-23T23:43:47.697+0000)

I don't think you understand why they made this change. No, she will not get more burst; her ultimate still functions the exact same way.

15 seconds on an AoE ult that bursts, and basically up again the moment she kills someone.

Infinite Saught1 votes

Just CC, burst her, or build MR and Health. Buy GA, do something. Oh, and it's not a Nunu Ultimate; it doesn't burst, as it does DoT. If she's able to kill your entire team, you were poorly prepared against her in the first place.

Glîtchy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infinite Naught,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=006cKcVU,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-24T00:26:21.089+0000)

Just CC, burst her, or build MR and Health. Buy GA, do something. Oh, and it's not a Nunu Ultimate; it doesn't burst, as it does DoT. If she's able to kill your entire team, you were poorly prepared against her in the first place.

I try using item 3001 and/or item 3026 but she still does a lot with just her Q

Poske

If they remove Shunpo AA resset now because of you I ll find you and end you Anyway they already tested the removal of it EVERY SINGLE KATA MAIN GOT TRIGGERED Do you consider yourself as a Kata main? You arent a Pure kata main if you want that removed

Yes its overall a nerf

Its a mini powerspike at minute 33 (Average time you ll hit level 16 in) Good kata will rarely use death lotus twice past that minute its just not needed

Blame it on Redmercy. Calling a clear nerf a buff is funny

0 Hogapu1 votes

If the only way to make kata ban rate < to 60% is to remove shunpo aa reset, I will do it without a single regret ;) What do you mean with Redmercy? Cant get it

Poske1 votes

He called katarina nerf a buff

Poske1 votes

He called katarina nerf a buff

If they remove shunpo aa resset she ll be no longer viable in high elo AT ALL

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