Little change to Lissandra's R

0 Hogapu·9/15/2018, 6:37:50 PM·48 votes·18,705 views

Hi everyone. I am here to talk about Lissandra 's ultimate. When cast it on yourself, it acts as item 3157 's active : she becomes invulnerable and untargetable for 2.5s, but is unable to take any action. Yet, there is something different from how item 3157's active works.

Indeed, when you're in stasis, the last command you will cast will be instantly executed as soon as the stasis effect ends. Meaning you can flash during item 3157, and you will flash right when the effect ends. However, Lissandra's ultimate, yet being a stasis, doesn't work like this : there won't be anything done at the end of the stasis effect.

I know this can seem very little, but I do think it should be added, for the sake of consistency, and cause this is a little buff to Lissandra . It shouldn't be hard to add anyway, as it already exists.

thanks![garen-swing]

(Can't wait for her new passive to be out by the way)

33 Comments

BadPiriPiri9/16/2018, 4:57:44 AM16 votes

@Azorlebleu

Nice Post OP!

Have some news about your post!

I talked to a rioter on Reddit and he told me he said "Thanks for the link! I'll send this over to Meddler and see what he thinks."

You can check the Reddit post I made about your post on Lissandra Mains if you want (there is a print about the conversation with the rioter) I painted over his name not because he told me but because I respect him (I don't want to reveal who he is because it was private message).

https://www.reddit.com/r/LissandraMains/comments/9g7ssa/lissandra_qol/?st=jm4cb9sm&sh=3777c6c3

RiotMeddler9/17/2018, 4:57:38 PM16 votes

Just gave this a look now that it's Monday and I'm in the office. Saw this over the weekend and was a bit surprised to see a difference described, given the starting point for Liss R was just to copy/paste the Zhonya's logic. Figured something might have changed over time though.

What I found testing this out was:

  • Both Liss R and Zhonya's will buffer movement commands regardless of when during the stasis effect they're entered.
  • Neither seems to buffer Flash at all, if you're able to do so with Zhonya's let me know how, I'm not seeing it.
  • Liss R will let you buffer Q and W, but only if you cast it right before the R wears off. E can't be buffered
  • Zhonya's will let you buffer Q, W and E, provided you cast them at least (roughly) halfway through the Zhonya's duration.
  • Liss R will let you buffer Zhonya's, with a pretty generous cast window (second half of the duration again?)
  • Zhonya's will not let you buffer Liss R at all on Liss herself (didn't test on enemy cast)

Now, that's the result of 10 minutes testing things out, so won't necessarily be fully comprehensive. If you're seeing different results in practice tool, would love to hear about it (I'm just using an internal environment with no CDs for this, which should be the same, but is very occasionally different).

In terms of possible steps forward here, when time permits I'll do some poking around, see if I can identify what's causing the inconsistencies here. Might be possible to get some of the buffering cases that aren't working in both cases at present to work and ship those changes with the other upcoming Lissandra stuff. Can't make any specific promises though at present.

ETA on the changes is sometime this year. Main issue recently was that the visual effects for the passive were reading as too similar to the ult, leading to confusion over whether her R was on CD or not. That seems mainly fixed with recent iterations, so next step will be looking at skin effects.

Only slightly related, but since I'm talking about Lissandra anyway, will also have some slight tweaks to her AAs in that package as well. Speeding them up slightly and making the animation better synced with when you'd expect it to launch the missile, which should also make things feel better even if it doesn't technically change gameplay (makes it easier to read/feel more natural).

The Iceborn9/16/2018, 12:12:39 PM6 votes

Wow, really nice post from you! I think that that would be perfect as it is only fair... And yes her ult is a stasis essentally!

wolvius9/15/2018, 7:32:38 PM5 votes

While they are at it make selfcast keybind actually prioritize selfcast on spells with both ally cast and enemycast capabilities. Eg. Liss ult, nami w, whatever zilean speed buff/enemy slow is.

Krully9/15/2018, 9:46:12 PM3 votes

I didn't know that about hour glass, usually im slapping the f key

Hovering Hentai9/16/2018, 1:53:56 PM2 votes

I tried this in practice tool and I was able to make it work with her abilities but not flash for some reason

Ulquiorra01239/16/2018, 2:22:04 AM1 votes

That would be broken. Please do not do this, she is already strong enough to see play, she is actually a really ok champion that I think is flying under the radar. She is a safe mage who scales really well having so much utility. She is one of the most cancer champions in the game when she is strong, I would prefer to not see her in most of my games, banning Akali every game is still needed xD

Blyted9/16/2018, 7:35:58 AM1 votes

This is perfectly reasonable. Have an upvote.

rayzo9/15/2018, 11:44:26 PM1 votes

It isn't stasis. It just makes you invulnerable and untargetable. I know that's what stasis is supposed to do but please look it up, it's different.

KoKoboto9/17/2018, 2:02:54 AM1 votes

wat do they hav for her new passive