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Dyrus?

Ternt··3 votes·1,618 views

Does anybody else think he's holding TSM back? I think he's been the weak link all season long. That's why every single team focuses on ganking him constantly. I personally feel like it's time for retirement.

EDIT: Before people think I don't like Dyrus, I really do. He's good for what he does, but he isn't keeping up with the rest of the LCS players, or the rest of the world. He just seems like he's lagging behind.

22 Comments

177A Bleecker St4 votes

I dont think hes doing great but i think that santorin could be doing more to help him, and in the 3 games yesterday i didnt see him to anything that stood out that i saw other junglers doing. He needs to help dyrus top or really get his botlane or midlane ahead.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Dyrus also got all his main champs banned out on the two games that really mattered

Graidon1 votes

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I dont think hes doing great but i think that santorin could be doing more to help him, and in the 3 games yesterday i didnt see him to anything that stood out that i saw other junglers doing. He needs to help dyrus top or really get his botlane or midlane ahead.

So you're saying it's the jungler's responsibility to gank top lane. What a profoundly solo queue thing to say.

Dyrus has been reminding me a LOT of Freddy 122 this season. He has great potential, but he tends to get lazy in lane, over extends, doesn't ward as well as he could for KNOWING his lane will be focused.

I really like Dyrus too....but I actually do think he's holding TSM back a bit.

177A Bleecker St1 votes

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So you're saying it's the jungler's responsibility to gank top lane. What a profoundly solo queue thing to say.

Dyrus has been reminding me a LOT of Freddy 122 this season. He has great potential, but he tends to get lazy in lane, over extends, doesn't ward as well as he could for KNOWING his lane will be focused.

I really like Dyrus too....but I actually do think he's holding TSM back a bit.

I dont disagree with that and when dyrus gets killed in a 1v1 it hurts but when the other team is diving him and camping top i really think santorin needs to do something in that situation to get an advantage by ganking botlane to take dragon or counter gank and get a kill or 2.

Linthe1 votes

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I dont disagree with that and when dyrus gets killed in a 1v1 it hurts but when the other team is diving him and camping top i really think santorin needs to do something in that situation to get an advantage by ganking botlane to take dragon or counter gank and get a kill or 2.

Yea, this. It's the fault of both of them.

I expect Dyrus to get camped and die a lot. Because it happens every game. But when it's 3v1 and Santorin doesn't even show?

But Santorin was a complete non-factor in both TSM losses. Did he even play in them??

Ternt1 votes

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I dont disagree with that and when dyrus gets killed in a 1v1 it hurts but when the other team is diving him and camping top i really think santorin needs to do something in that situation to get an advantage by ganking botlane to take dragon or counter gank and get a kill or 2.

There needs to be balance, but Dyrus also cannot be giving away 1v1 kills because he's playing too aggressively. If he wants to step into a carry role and play aggressive, he needs to start focusing on that instead of his common pure tank/cc champs. He only really plays champs that benefit Bjerg or Wildturtle. He's already writing himself off as the carry, when in reality I believe he needs to be a threat in the top lane as well as support when he needs to be.

Killstrado2 votes

They gank him so often because he's terrifying if left to solo lane, also I think he's been holding back himself per coaches orders.

Toothless Lion1 votes

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They gank him so often because he's terrifying if left to solo lane, also I think he's been holding back himself per coaches orders.

Uh no.

  1. Dyrus hasn't been good at 1v1s in ages
  2. Dyrus doesn't even play threatening top champions to "terrify" anyone

They camp him because it's easy and predictable gold income.

Killstrado2 votes

Good points sir, but when I say leaving him alone is scary I didn't mean for 1v1 scenarios, I meant once he makes it to team fights he generally plays champs with good engage, CC, or survivability. And if he gets enough farm a really tough opponent. Just because his kda is low and has a weak 1v1 doesn't mean he needs canned.

Ternt1 votes

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Uh no.

  1. Dyrus hasn't been good at 1v1s in ages

  2. Dyrus doesn't even play threatening top champions to "terrify" anyone

They camp him because it's easy and predictable gold income.

That's what I'm saying though, most top laners are playing a carry of some sort. Where he is playing sustain/tank champions. Most top laners that are being played are champs who can get to the back line fast like Shyvana, Hecarim, etc but also have very good sustain in lane. Dyrus really hasn't moved along with the meta still playing front line tanks.

HeraldOfDemacia2 votes

Even with all of his quirks, Dyrus is basically the icon of TSM now since a lot of the older players have already left. Getting rid of him would completely destroy TSM's current style and most likely their winrate along with it.

Ternt2 votes

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Even with all of his quirks, Dyrus is basically the icon of TSM now since a lot of the older players have already left. Getting rid of him would completely destroy TSM's current style and most likely their winrate along with it.

Yeh, I agree. At a certain point it isn't the same team it was before. But this is how ALL professional sports are. The Cowboys aren't the Cowboys they used to be, and the Yankees aren't the Yankees they used to be. It's how it goes. Dyrus is a legend in NA for the sheer fact he has been playing professionally so long. I just think something needs to give if he's going to stay around.

HeraldOfDemacia3 votes

I feel like Dyrus always has the mindset that he is going to be camped and nothing is going to be done about it. Santorin, who is new to this team, is the one who actually needs to step it up in my honest opinion. Yes he did great in NA matches at the start of the season, but now that things are heating up he seems a little lost. It might help the entire team to sit down and work out a strategy: either have Dyrus branch out a little into more brawly laners and camp him as much as the enemy does for some snowballing up top, or continue to ignore him, but actually pressure mid and dragon heavily with Bjerg.

Sharkb82 votes

I can agree with this-I mean, what were the Dallas Cowboys w/o Aikman, Emmet Smith, Michael Irvin....Yeah, Dyrus is pretty much the face of TSM after Regi stepped aside. IMO-to go off of what you said "I just think something needs to give...." I know what that is, and it's TSM's winning record. They have to make the decision to bring in fresh blood that can keep up, or stay with the face/names that partially got them to where they are now. I do believe Dyrus is the weak link on TSM currently, and while they sit on top of NA, if they want more world wide respect, they'll need to change Dyrus to compete successfully on a global level.

Lańce2 votes

They always ban him out. Like at least 2 bans. He gets 0 help top lane. He could easy play safe and turtle but he plays aggressive in NA series so bot and mid wins. They focus everything bot and mid, so better regions like korea can really take advantage of that.

You think they will get someone from NA good enough because they already 3 foreigners.

Ternt2 votes

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They always ban him out. Like at least 2 bans. He gets 0 help top lane. He could easy play safe and turtle but he plays aggressive in NA series so bot and mid wins. They focus everything bot and mid, so better regions like korea can really take advantage of that.

You think they will get someone from NA good enough because they already 3 foreigners.

That makes a lot of sense, never really thought about it like that. But yeh, they do ban him out every single game. I just think he needs to tweak his playstyle or his champion pool.

Lańce1 votes

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That makes a lot of sense, never really thought about it like that. But yeh, they do ban him out every single game. I just think he needs to tweak his playstyle or his champion pool.

they already took sion, maokai, lulu, LULU! from him He is going to be playing from behind. Some matchups you have to push to win.

Ternt1 votes

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they already took sion, maokai, lulu, LULU! from him He is going to be playing from behind. Some matchups you have to push to win.

That's why I said he needs more champions to play. Vlad or anything other than Gnar. His Gnar game is not that strong, neither is his Irelia.

HeraldOfDemacia1 votes

Not to mention the fact that in every post-game interview he just seems pissed off at everyone, regardless of whether they won or not.

Ternt2 votes

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Not to mention the fact that in every post-game interview he just seems pissed off at everyone, regardless of whether they won or not.

I think his personality is just awkward and bland lol. With moments of randomness.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Dyrus seems angry? I always saw him as the extremely chill guy. (he has a pillow named Mr. Pillow for crying out loud!)

HeraldOfDemacia1 votes

Maybe it's just me, but he seemed reaaallly peeved when TSM won the NA Split

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