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Unnamed Feeder··8 votes·1,115 views

Can the lol esports staff PLEASE stop saying Bjergsen is one of the absolute best players in the world? Or at the very least comparing him to the likes of FAKER?

All of it, from a shoutcaster's cancerous comment "I would rank Bjergsen above Faker in terms of being an overall better player" in Faker and Bjergsen Legends Rising to putting Bjergsen in equal grounds with FAKER in Chase Your Legend - Xiaohu is disgustingly hyperinflating Bjergsen's skill and is in some ways an insult to both him and other players.

Yes, Bjergsen is one of the best (if not the best) player in NA, maybe one of the best in the whole Western scene, and is incredibly skilled, but saying he's on equal grounds with FAKER? A three time WORLD CHAMPION? This is just outright pure BS.

If you really wanted to make these 'super talented and inspirational' players, like for the Xiaohu video, put players like Pray, Gorilla, Bdd, Crown, Uzi, or Mata. If you want Western players, put players like Xpeke, Diamond, Soaz, or even imports (ex. Ryu or Impact). Sure the first two examples may be washed off, but ALL of the examples accomplished more than Bjergsen at least internationally.

I just think someone who never got to top 8, no matter how much his team holds him back (assuming it does), should be overhyped like this.

Sure, TSM fans may downvote me to the dust for this, but I actually think I'm doing TSM and Bjergsen a favor by writing this. I know Bjergsen himself is quite humble, and he doesn't need or want to go around showing off to us players. I highly doubt he WANTS to be shown off and overrated like this. If anything, the lol esports staff is hurting him more than they are benefitting him by doing this.

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Langhof3 votes

I don’t agree or disagree, I just wanted to say this: Faker has always had the best team in League assembled around him. Faker is an outstanding player, but it’s hard to compare him to Bjergsen in a one-on-one case when the skill level of the teams as a whole just aren’t even close. League is a team game, and I’d wager that not even Faker could solo carry a team like TSM to the finals, world champion or not.

GeminiRune2 votes

Pretty much this. And I think that goes for any degree of a noteworthy champion at their time. I can't imagine Faker being on another team and boom - instant World contenders. It doesn't work that way. Didn't work for Piglet, Impact, Easyhoon, especially Bengi. Where players are and go definitely matters in the long run of things.

Unnamed Feeder3 votes

You're right. The level of NA players and infrastructure is nowhere near those of KR. It may be hard to compare the two with the sheer difference in the two teams. And I'd also wager that not even Faker could solo carry TSM to the world finals. That being said, I want to point these things out:

  1. Faker had one of the greatest possible teams around him, but among it he was always the best member, always carrying his team one way or another in ways his team needed him (ex. pure damage, amazing assassinations, 5 man shockwaves etc.). He was always the biggest part of his team's success, or at least one of the parts.
  2. SKT was never directly involved with TSM's failure in worlds while they had Bjergsen. And he and his team failed to achieve internationally, where a lot of their direct competition had EU/LMS teams with similar levels of infrastructure and players. Sure his team may have held him back a lot, but it's also unfair to say that Bjergsen is 100% fault free, since they choked multiple times. So is Bjergsen a great player, one of the best in NA? Yes. But should he be hyped as much as Faker and inflated this much? Not in my opinion.
Hemanth3 votes

I dont know if the western attitude towards esports is an excuse anymore when DOTA teams are able to do it internationally

Langhof1 votes

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You're right. The level of NA players and infrastructure is nowhere near those of KR. It may be hard to compare the two with the sheer difference in the two teams. And I'd also wager that not even Faker could solo carry TSM to the world finals. That being said, I want to point these things out:

  1. Faker had one of the greatest possible teams around him, but among it he was always the best member, always carrying his team one way or another in ways his team needed him (ex. pure damage, amazing assassinations, 5 man shockwaves etc.). He was always the biggest part of his team's success, or at least one of the parts.
  2. SKT was never directly involved with TSM's failure in worlds while they had Bjergsen. And he and his team failed to achieve internationally, where a lot of their direct competition had EU/LMS teams with similar levels of infrastructure and players. Sure his team may have held him back a lot, but it's also unfair to say that Bjergsen is 100% fault free, since they choked multiple times. So is Bjergsen a great player, one of the best in NA? Yes. But should he be hyped as much as Faker and inflated this much? Not in my opinion.

Well, I guess you could say SKT has “contributed to TSM’s downfall” to the extent that whenever TSM was drawn into a group with them, they were pretty much expected to bow out in the group stage. But that’s still not an excuse for how TSM always loses to everyone else in their groups. I’m such a huge TSM fan, but in the past few weeks I’ve honestly looked it over and I think right now Jensen might be a much better mid lander than Bjergsen is currently. He’s aggressive, snowballs his lane hard, and helps his jungler secure kills and objectives. I think if I were to point to one major difference that I’ve noticed between Bjergsen and Faker, it’s that Faker has stated in multiple interviews that him knowing he is a good player and his confidence in himself is what makes him strong, and that he has no fear of dying. Whereas Bjergsen plays so damn passive and is so scared of dying/causing TSM to lose, that he eventually fucks up and dies mid to late game when it matters most.

Ale non è male3 votes

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I don’t agree or disagree, I just wanted to say this: Faker has always had the best team in League assembled around him. Faker is an outstanding player, but it’s hard to compare him to Bjergsen in a one-on-one case when the skill level of the teams as a whole just aren’t even close.

Dude, PLEASE Faker didn't always had the best players in the world in the other roles as teammates, SKT stayed consistently on top because Faker is the best player in the World

Bjergsen in the latest seasons has not played bad, but never gave TSM the extra push they needed at international level vs teams TSM could have been able to beat.

Faker vs Bjergsen comparison are absurd, Bjergsen is just not as dominant even when you look only at Western midlaners pool

Anastaecia3 votes

This is the quote from Bjerg's 10th spot on the 2017 Worlds top 20....

“He will always do well, and never cost you a game. But I am waiting for the tournament where he puts the team on his back.” – Deficio

So are we, Deficio, so are we.

oortoomeebreesuu2 votes

You can't lambaste one player on a team for it's losses, even the captain, for not being able to play Doublelift's champion for him. Can you count how many times doublelift died with flash up?

Miror B3 votes

To be fair, at least DL showed some aggression on his team. While I'm not going to say that bjerg was the reason they didn't make it out of groups (I'm blaming the entire team and their inability to have any proactive early games), I will say that their heavy reliance on their midlaner makes their games incredibly predictable. Much like C9, if their mid isn't 4-5 kills deep pre-20mins then they usually lack a win condi outside of 50-50 barons and punishing awkward mistakes by enemies.

Unnamed Feeder3 votes

I think I very clearly acknowledged that his team may very possibly hold him back, and that he's one of the best players in NA. This post is clearly not meant to lambaste him. You misunderstood the point of this post. I'm saying that while Bjergsen is a very good player, he doesn't deserve the incredibly inflated rating and hype that the lol esports staff gives him, putting him in equal grounds with Faker and calling him one of the absolute best players in the world. If anything its lambasting the lol esports staff, not him.

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

Western Faker - What a joke ! Febiven, Caps, POE, Ryu are all closer to Faker than Bjegsen

Ale non è male2 votes

Bjergsen has not been a top tier midlaner at international level since S4 Worlds (he has been good at times, but never great since then) I don't get why people are blaming him NOW so much, when he has performed about his usual level

MysterQ1 votes

We hated him being called NA Faker back then too.

Biscuit Bite1 votes

I'm better than both of them.

BabyNaix1 votes

Bjerg just have boosted team mates rip

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