C9 WILL Beat WE

IncrediPhiLL·Oct 17, 2017·2 votes·920 views

Yes! I’m a C9 fanboy. Yada Yada Yada. But I honestly don’t think C9 is going to lose a B05 to WE. C9 has always been great at adapting for BO5 and I don’t think WE can outpick/ban them in an extended series.

Don’t get me wrong. I think C9 would lose to any other 1 seeded team, but I see them as a favorite against WE and I also predict a 3-1 series win for them.

WE looked descent in groups, but they showed weakness at the play in stage, they showed weaknesses in week 1 of the easiest group at worlds... I guess I just don’t think they are ready for C9. C9 is battle tested so far and I don’t really think WE is.

20 Comments

EleshakaiOct 17, 20175 votes

You jinxed them. If they lose, it's now your fault.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20171 votes

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You jinxed them. If they lose, it's now your fault.

Fair enough.

III BAKURYU III Oct 17, 20172 votes

Cut from the same cloth C9 and WE are. They both were in the play-in stage just to be apart of Worlds. They both started off meh within the tournament and both got better as time went on, especially for team WE. For C9 on the other hand they once again had to rely on SKT beating teams for them to make it to the bracket stage, while WE earned a spot themselves.

Do I think C9 CAN beat WE? YES
Do I think C9 WILL beat WE? IDK, I mean, It's worlds and each year it's reallly the same. If you seen 2013 Worlds you already saw 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 looking just about the same.

IncrediPhiLLOct 17, 20173 votes

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For C9 on the other hand they once again had to rely on SKT beating teams for them to make it to the bracket stage, while WE earned a spot themselves.

Simply not true. C9 won 3 games and EDG won 2. If EDG could have beaten C9 or AHQ week 1, they might have made it out. But they didn’t. They couldn’t close against AHQ and they got absolutely demolished and obliterated by C9. Surely to happen again in a tie breaker when C9 bans the Cait. Next time they should win more games. Don’t come at me with that Garbo.

III BAKURYU III Oct 17, 20171 votes

IN which if SKT lost to EDG C9 would have been in a tie-breaker and 2014 lost, 2015 lost tie-breaker C9 are bad when it comes to tie-breakers within Worlds, that's not "Garbo" that's fact.

EleshakaiOct 17, 20174 votes

"IN which if SKT lost to EDG C9 would have been in a tie-breaker and 2014 lost, 2015 lost tie-breaker" - fact "C9 are bad when it comes to tie-breakers" - opinion

It's an opinion supported by previous data... but it's not fact. Previous data is not ALWAYS accurate. For example, SKT has never lost a game before this year in week 2. The opinion that 'SKT cannot lose in week 2' would've been 'an opinion supported by previous data'... but would've been wrong.

C9 actually looks quite strong on a global level right now. Of the 4 games they had a reasonable chance to win, they won 3. They won those 3 using different strategies and different champions. They lost ONE GAME to a strategy that, prior to that week's games, had been a complete non-factor in the meta... and immediately adapted and learned to utilize that strategy themselves. Of the two games they didn't have a reasonable chance to win, one of them was a stomp but the other they actually held up fairly well.

I don't see C9 as having much of a chance to win worlds... although if they shape up it is possible - their players ARE very skilled and quite consistent most of the time - but overcoming the Chinese teams whose strategies have seemed very predictable... that should be doable for them.

MazariamontiOct 17, 20173 votes

Not saying C9 will win, but to say that they got carried to the bracket stage is complete nonsense, C9 won more games than EDG, end of story.

As far as past performances go, the teams C9 has had to play in the bracket stage since the new worlds format are usually one of the top two Korean teams, WE is probably a top four or five team.

WE is no Samsung Blue. WE is no 2016 Samsung.

III BAKURYU III Oct 17, 20171 votes

Didn't say they got carried, all I said was that they relied on SKT once again on making it to the bracket stage which is 100% accurate. Even if SKT lost to EDG, C9 would be in a tie-breaker and if 2017 have shown us anything it's NA are trash when it comes to tie-breakers and C9 are no exception to that losing tie-breakers in 2014 and 2015, maybe 2017 would have been a 3rd times the charm situation.

Kal Vas FlamOct 17, 20175 votes

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For C9 on the other hand they once again had to rely on SKT beating teams for them to make it to the bracket stage, while WE earned a spot themselves.

People need to stop saying this stupid shit. SKT beat C9 twice, which means SKT was almost the reason C9 didn't make it out, not the other way around. C9 made it past groups because they played better than AHQ and EDG during the group stage - simple as that. As the announcers kept saying "groups is about consistency." EDG didn't have consistency, therefore they didn't deserve to advance.

And SKT beating C9 twice doesn't mean C9 is garbage and shouldn't even bother playing. They also beat EDG twice, a team that, for some reason, people try to defend.

Ale non è maleOct 18, 20171 votes

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People need to stop saying this stupid shit.

Yup. It was not SKT that carried C9 to QF. It was EDG inconsistency and throwing SKT week 1 game + aHQ terrible draft in week 2 that carried C9 to QF.

C9 wasn't the 2nd best team in the group (and they wouldn't have gone through if they had to play a tie-breaker vs EDG) BUT deserved to get through as 2nd group in the team because they had the mental fortitude to seize their opportunities (unlike the other NA teams).

Having said that, I think that WE is a bit suspect against top tier teams, but I don't believe they will choke now ( if WE were going to choke, they would have done it in group stage) and I think C9 does not have enough quality to win a Bo5 (1 game probably yes)

KnowskillzOct 18, 20172 votes

I have all the hope in the world for C9. I think Jensen can go toe to toe with Xiye. Impact can play better than 957, but Impact has to bring his A game. Mystic looks scary in bot lane and that's the current meta. I think if Sneaky can win lane, than C9 will win. If he gets caught out, than they will get steam rolled. Look at that last game against AHQ, if Mountain's J4 would of caught sneaky, than that game would of looked a lot different. Go Sneaky Go!

Take my energy.

xJLx MCHammerOct 17, 20171 votes

C9 must win

SciFi ScrivenerOct 17, 20171 votes

Reapered needs to trust in Impact. Stop trying to play through Jensen all the time. Set loose Impact on carry top lane picks and he will take over the game. Sneaky needs to step up, in an ADC favored meta, he has been less than a carry.

They have the skill to win this match, they have the experience to handle the pressure, and they have the 6th man (NA fans) sending them all the energy they need. Now they just need to put it all out there on the rift and make it happen. #NAWIN #C9WIN [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ChompyWulfOct 17, 20171 votes

Nope, f&$k them getting any energy from me. Still salty a broken champ and bad tank imbalance let them come back against Lyon and they were lucky enough for a second year to get a choking China and LMS group to get out of. Still can't stand the delusional fans who can't admit Jensen has been a KDA player this split.

My NA hopes were dashed when IMT folded, so back to cheering for my first Esports fandom, SKT.

SciFi ScrivenerOct 18, 20171 votes

Try to avoid the splinters when you jump on that bandwagon. I'll root for C9 until they loose, and then root for them next year after they do. It's not delusion, it's called dedication.

ChompyWulfOct 18, 20171 votes

No bandwagon, that would be if I was cheering for LZ.

Cheering for C9 because they are your team is OK. Blaming early split woes on top lane, hyping Jensen as best mid and MVP, refusal to admit Sneaky struggling to be consistent...that is the kind of delusions I was talking about.

Late For TeaOct 17, 20171 votes

C9 is consistently good at not being bad, and that is how they got their wins. The weaker teams this Worlds made too many mistakes or were too inconsistent, which allowed the stronger teams to capitalize on them. C9 was playing a cut above these teams. However, it is not the same in the knockout stage, and only winning by capitalizing on the mistakes of others is no longer going to cut it.

C9 is playing incredibly passive, not daring to make any big plays other than your standard jungle ganks. They will have to make plays to beat the stronger teams, and they just can't do it on the same level. SKT is playing relatively weak and is probably on a similar level as SSG and WE at the moment. C9 didn't stand a chance against SKT, they didn't stand a chance against EDG when they showed up. There is no reason to think they will beat WE.

C9 won 3 games, all 3 against weaker teams. 2 of those games were won by capitalizing on the mistakes of the other team. The other win because they outdrafted the opponent, not because they played on an incredible level. Meanwhile WE has looked pretty dominant against arguably stronger teams than AHQ and a weak EDG.