C9 Has 2nd Best Record, but Carried by SKT?

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C9 dropped AHQ almost as hard as EDG did and also played a solid game against SKT. EDG actually had a smaller lead vs SKT than they did in week 1, so I don't think it would have been that cut and dry. Yes EDG played very well week 2, but C9 had shown some adaptability and had momentum coming off of two strong games. It would have been a close match either way.

Nah. C9 was 0-2 till that point, got rolled over by EDG in week 2, and their "adaptation" worked vs aHQ because they drafted very very very poorly:

• Banning Galio in first rotation ahead of Janna and then counter Janna AFTER C9 pick Caitlyn vs aHQ Twitch with Karma rather than Rakan, choosing to not get him as 3rd pick when C9 bot lane was yet known and allowing C9 to then ban it? You are not going to win lane anyway vs Caitlyn-Janna as Twitch, you'd rather go for a better late game support (and there were other options other than Rakan as well eventually)
• Blind pick Fizz as 3rd pick vs Gragas-Janna that were yet picked at that pont and before 2nd round of bans?
• Ban Ryze (and Cho'Gath ban wasn't great either, but we'll get back to that later) rather than a strong early game mid-laner that can punish Fizz?
• Pick Maokai last pick into Gnar (and we get back to the previous Cho'Gath ban), since they desperately need engage next to Jarvan?

that was a complete disaster draft for aHQ. Pick Rakan 3rd and then ban LeBlanc in the next rounds of bans, then boom, it is a whole different draft as game, as they can effectively last pick Fizz or Kassadin knowing the enemy mid lane (and C9 has to likely ban Fizz/Cho'Gath so aHQ can spend their second ban to decide either which top laner can C9 play or ban another strong early game midlaner)

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PLEASE. EDG would have surely won. Try to not be the kind of NA fan that get delusional every time NA teams get some results Be happy C9 get through because they at least did their job and were capable to beat aHQ, overall they deserved to make it because of the consistency in the two weeks, but they weren't the second best team of Group A if It came down to the tie-breaker (aka if EDG didn't spectacularly threw their huge advantage in the first game vs SKT)

EDG went 0-3 in week 1. They were the easiest team to beat in the group. They don’t suddenly become the 2nd best team because they won 2 games in week 2. Get that mess outta here. C9 beat EDG already. Easily too. To automatically assume they would have lost a tiebreaker is ignorant.

Lol you say edg would have won but in their first matchup with c9 they got destroyed. C9 advanced because they won the most agisnt every other team in the group that wasnt skt. 2 of their 3 losses was skt and they won 3 of their other 4 matches. There is no shame in dropping 2 games to skt they ARE 3 time world champions. They beat the other teams when it mattered and won their way out. It happened its over and done accept it and move on. Besides what do the french even know about winning LMAO

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PLEASE. EDG would have surely won. Try to not be the kind of NA fan that get delusional every time NA teams get some results Be happy C9 get through because they at least did their job and were capable to beat aHQ, overall they deserved to make it because of the consistency in the two weeks, but they weren't the second best team of Group A if It came down to the tie-breaker (aka if EDG didn't spectacularly threw their huge advantage in the first game vs SKT)

Please. You have no clue who would have won. Nobody does. You claim others are delusional. Yet you delude yourself into thinking you are Nostradamis or something.

dude im not talking about those other trash teams im talking about yo trash team they got carried others didnt what does it matter they dont belong on the same stage as these good teams thats it c9 is bad

You can't beat a team twice out of two matches and "carry" them at the same time. It's a mathematical impossibility.

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edg was the weakest team in the tournament last week, by making crucial mistakes in all their week 1 games. however, this week show that c9 didn't really deserve 2nd spot as they stomped almost every single game (edg)

c9 got out because edg played badly in the first week. That simple. While c9 stayed more consistent.

as far as value goes, c9 didn't deserve to get out of groups, but, their consistency got them out. Congratz to them. Now they will get stomped in the next round and go out, like the eu teams most likely. I highly doubt any western team can go further than this. Even if c9 got presumably the easiest draw in the next stage in team WE. Team WE is basically just a slightly worse EDG. So, expect C9 to get stomped.

That's why the casters joke about c9 getting carried. All of them acknowledge that edg was the better team. Especially looking at both c9 vs edg games in the groups. C9 managed to win vs ahq twice and that's what got them the qualification. And none of their wins were as dominant as edg's.

But the 'easiest' group was that of TSM, and they did what TSM does best. Fail ;)

You can't play that card though. You can't say, "last week X team was weak and this weak they showed who they really are". The same argument can be made for every team, player, or draft. It's a lot like Sneaky said in the post interview after their AHQ game; they were taken back by the Cait pick. They picked it themselves in the game with AHQ and agreed that it's something that still work.

You can argue about which team is better today. I'd agree EDG did good today and showed they were better. But if you can't be consistent week to week, you arent the better team. That's just how it is. That's why C9 deserve to get out of groups.

Now, we need to wait till Sunday to see if C9 can manage to beat another Chinese LPL team. WE is the weaker team but they are more consistent than EDG. As the caster have said, you have to be consistent to actually participate in worlds. EDG showed up this week and last week they performed average. Like they LPL caster (Frost) said, they were playing supersaiyan in week 2. It is far beyond their normal level of play.

My point being, you can see AHQ deserve to win the groups the most because if they were as consistent as they were vs SKT against C9 and EDG, they would win the groups.