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Is this... Is this normal moderator behavior?

IncrediPhiLL··24 votes·14,134 views

I shared a link to what I have found to be an incredibly amazing interaction between a "Specialist" (Not sure the difference between a Specialist and a Moderator) as he/she attempts to discuss the meaning of "racist" language with other's on the boards page. I have never seen a moderator behave like this before. I don't think it's bad or anything, and I definitely think the "Specialist" is doing his/her best, but this just doesn't seem like the behavior a moderator should demonstrate XD

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/7pNB1nR3-wrongful-suspension-falsely-accused-of-racism

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4 Step Cadence14 votes

Specialists aren't mods.

Meet the Specialists! A new role and part of a new initiative to roll out some more community-focused changes, this title is intended for community members who have gone above and beyond in representing a specific sub-board. Importantly, not all Specialists are members of the Volunteer Team, and those that are Volunteer Team members will have the Specialist role as a secondary identifier. Instead, this title will be handed out as we identify excellent community members, and will appear with role identifier on that board only. You may see moderators with specific Specialist flair on certain sub-boards: this indicates a moderator with a specific focus on that board, and makes them a great resource and contact point for any questions or concerns you may have about that specific community or that specific topic.

IncrediPhiLL14 votes

Ah! That makes more sense... though based on that thread, I wouldn’t exactly call him a “specialist” in player behavior XD

Soul Dealer14 votes

If your talking about rujitra then I would just ignore it. I have had multiple dealings with him in the past and nearly everytime he was not being a good person. I would ask him simple questions and he would start accusing me of things I had never done and when i posted chat logs he took everything he could in the logs out of context. He would claim that me asking “why would you play an immobile mage into talon?” Is harassment. Of all my interactions with him he only ever helped someone one time. My advice is just ignore him and move on.

Meteor Driz10 votes

Having read all the way through this post now I can say that this is appalling behavior from both Riot and this specialist.

It's discrimination.

forist8 votes

This is about par for the course. Mods/specialists that frequent the player behavior forum make me question the ethical standing of the entire mods team as a whole. I've had/seen discussions with this individual in particular and he has some very warped logic; however, this is just my own opinion.

Scuffed Funkynut8 votes

That specialist is quite... Special.. Some people just don't think Riot can do anything wrong, it's actually insane.

IncrediPhiLL6 votes

I mainly refer to this bizarre explanation of how the op’s primary complaint could have been said better...

“Words themselves have no meaning. Words are merely collections of shapes (letters) that convey meaning only because we give them meaning. However, communication would not work if we just threw words together. We have invented classes of words that have different uses - verbs communicate actions, nouns communicate things, adjectives describe features of a particular "thing", etc. We've gone even further, however, and come to a mutual understanding as society over thousands of years that words are not just used to define their definition, but that words convey tone as well. As an example, the two following messages convey a very different tone, even though the message is the same:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

versus

You're hot and pretty, but tempered and enjoyable.

One sounds very eloquent, very "flowing", and very complimentary. The other, while conveying the same message, sounds businesslike, cold, and forced.

Likewise, while the words were "do yall speak any english", there are multiple things that cause it to have a negative, racist tone. The use of the word "any" here is unnecessary. The use of that word implies two things - that they do not speak any english (else it would be unnecessary to put that in), as well as that the fact they don't speak it is bad. Think of it like this - when someone in real life says "could you be ANY more annoying", they're not really asking you could you be annoying - they're telling you that you're being annoying. That is the tone of that message. If that was not the intended tone, then the OP should choose their words more carefully next time.

The other message which says "if only... actually spoke..." is two more phrases with a very negative connotation. Even the phrase you "literally" translated it into (hint: you misused the word literally there) is negative - "i wish i could" in this instance is a defeatist, negative, and frankly "calling out" type phrase.

If the OP had said "I can't understand what you're saying" there would be no problem. The OP did so by belittling the language they were speaking at multiple instances, then getting into an argument the entire game over it. Not acceptable, period.”

rujitra3 votes

Given that the people responding in the thread seem to think that words mean one and only one thing (and that's what they think they mean), it seemed very necessary to explain to them how it doesn't matter what you think you said, it matters what was heard.

The phrases that the player used in game were negatively toned and had a negative connotation, whether that was the intent or not.

IncrediPhiLL9 votes

While I don't want to carry the argument from the previous thread over to this one, I would just like to say that judging intent based on text is not fair to any party involved. Just because one party is offended doesn't mean the other party did anything wrong.

For example: Your justification of this ban while claiming the southern accent of the OP is inherently rude is terribly offensive to others with a southern accent... maybe one might call you a racist.

rujitra2 votes

Well, first, there's no "accent". This is text communication.

Second, the intent does not matter so much as the result. As an example, if I tell you "kys", but say nothing else, and you interpret that as "kill yourself", it doesn't matter if I meant "knit your sweater". You interpreted it as something else, and that's my fault for not using words, phrases, and tone that is agreed upon.

Maybe I am not making this clear.

IncrediPhiLL7 votes

The words chosen by the original OP are words inherently used by people in the southern United States community. You are claiming those words to be racist because of the phrasing, which, in turn, offends every person living in the Southern United States who speak that way naturally.

And I don't like your comparison, as it further pushes your racist stereotypes of the southern dialect. "KYS" has a very clear context amongst the online community... an inexcusable use of letters to any party. You are implying that "Ya'll speak English," has the same negative connotation to all parties involved... when there are countless people in the previous post claiming that it doesn't.

rujitra2 votes

If you had read my post, I didn't say anything about the use of the word "y'all". It had nothing to do with that word. It had to do with the tone of the message.

You cannot say it is the victim's fault for not interpreting it correctly, especially when it seems the people these things were said to have a limited English proficiency. They interpreted it differently. That is on the player for not making sure they were using words and phrases that could be understood. If they didn't want to seem like they were belittling, demanding, or being a jerk about it, they should've considered their words and tone.

IncrediPhiLL6 votes

Nah. You're still blaming a person using their everyday dialect. Imagine a scenario when a game starts and someone says "GLHF guys," but then there is a girl in the game who says, "Wow... really? That's sexist."

That's not anyone's fault. That's not worthy of a ban or punishment. That's just simply causally talking in everyday dialect... again... this entire thing is nitpicky and you shouldn't defend it.

rujitra2 votes

So, someone being discriminatory should be allowed to do it because it's just what they do "everyday"?

IncrediPhiLL5 votes

It's not a discriminatory phrase. That's the whole point XD ... I don't even know how you're still trying to push this.

IainG101 votes

Notice how his name isn't blue any more... I think this is now pretty personal for him. TBH, should have happened a long time ago. I believe he's one of the 'specialists' Riot brought in in a serious knee-jerk reaction a while back, when they had to show they were doing something, even if they just grabbed the first person to hand.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

In case you weren't aware. The "Specialist" color and title only appear in the PB section of the forums (for him). As far as I can see, he is still blue there. Specialists only display their title/color on the sub board they "specialize" in.

Multipost, please ignore. Delete doesn't exist on phone without going to full site mode.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

In case you weren't aware. The "Specialist" color and title only appear in the PB section of the forums (for him). As far as I can see, he is still blue there. Specialists only display their title/color on the sub board they "specialize" in.

(If this multiposted, I am sorry. Data issues with 📱)

IainG101 votes

YEah, wasn't aware of that, I am now; thanks

rujitra1 votes

I would appreciate it if the discussion could remain civil. I screwed up. Yes. We all do.

Like other players have pointed out, my name has never been blue outside the Player Behavior boards, as that's where I'm a specialist on. Moderators/etc are different, and they have their colored name everywhere.

To my understanding, the specialists were a continuation of the "Player Behavior Moderators" - except instead of forcing anyone to be a moderator, they decided to just give people the "specialist" tag with no extra power or responsibility to moderate posts. This is one reason I had never applied to be an "arbitrator" (or whatever the program was called) - I have never wanted to moderate, period. I'm not aware of any "knee jerk" reaction, and they certainly didn't just "grab the first person to hand" - they approached myself and a couple other regular commenters on the PB boards and asked if we would be okay with the tag - and since then have added more when they notice good contributors. It certainly isn't a "quick" or "knee jerk" process.

IainG101 votes

{quoted}

I would appreciate it if the discussion could remain civil. I screwed up. Yes. We all do.

That is what I and hopefully others have been waiting for. As you say, people screw up some times; the important part is whether you deny any wrong doing and continue to dig the hole deeper, or you accept it and if necessary try to fix anything you broke in the process (you didn't ban the dude, so no expectation of you unbanning him etc).

Necro Warrior876 votes

Yeah he obviously is very confused. "any of Y'all speak english" is literally just asking "Do any of you speak english?" It's a question, a legitimate one if you notice everyone on your team speaking Spanish/any other language. It's like saying "sprechen Sie Deutsch?" when I'm asking someone if they speak German, It's a question, Not an insult.

IainG102 votes

Happens sometimes on EUW, that someone asks if others speak their language, because it's easier to get across what you want to say in the language you live your life in. No one takes offence, and sometimes better communication comes across through it. Usually people here default to English, because it is taught as the second language in all EU countries, whereas the second languages taught in England are either French or German (which leaves out communicating with the vast majority of EUW as a whole in their native language).

NanolyCannoli6 votes

wow read that entire log and man i can clearly say this rujitra guy has an "interesting" mindset that is most definitely not common... glad to see that "specialist" title revoked. as he clearly isnt one. (maybe she? i dunno the gender. hope im not being "sexist")

GatekeeperTDS4 votes

glad to see that "specialist" title revoked

They are specialists on the Player Behavior board, and as such, the tags only appear there.

How sad is it that you would find joy in something like that even if it were to happen?

forist4 votes

Slow down there. Pretty sure that by glad he meant that the person in question's behavior is currently undeserving of the title, not that he personally would enjoy him losing the title/authority.

IainG104 votes

{quoted}

They are specialists on the Player Behavior board, and as such, the tags only appear there.

Damn, that's disappointing, because I'd expect someone who's meant to be a specialist at Player Behaviour to be able to tell the difference between a simple question and a racist instruction, or at least find help from a language specialist if they didn't understand the colloquialisms used....

ChaosReyn2 votes

Let's put it this way...since we're going to resort to making a case out of this...

Babygirl Yuumi: if only the rest 3 of our team actually spoke english and helped out bot but noooo

When you read that line, what's your first thought? Most people would immediately think "this person is infuriated and is blaming people for ruining the game simply because they don't speak English." Would you disagree?

You have three people accusing someone of being racist, and you see this line. You saw a few lines back that the same person was making a case over not being able to understand them, and that these players were already taking offense to the case being made. You saw the language/racism argument throughout the entire game, and you notice that at this point, that entire game is pretty much completely disrupted.

If you were an unbiased judge, you would have to agree that all the stipulations to trip the alarm are technically there. Then there's the game two the OP of that thread mentioned and never shown, and I'd bet $20 in RP that the racial insults against them as enemies were much more unregulated than when OP was still trying to work with them. I say that "working with them" part loosely, as I hardly think any of them were truly playing game 1, more than they were playing the chat war.

Don't get me wrong, those three were scumbags who should have been punished for milking the issue across multiple games and just being generally negative to the OP. Imo, I think both sides of that should've been punished for their behavior. I'm not Riot though...

But I digress. Point is, the case that the specialist was attempting to make (while most certainly worded just as fluently as the OP's words in their game) was not incorrect. It was pointed, and wildly unpopular...but upon going over it all myself, I'd have to say he was not necessarily discriminatory. I will say without restraint, however, that it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black to give a lecture on word choice with equally poor word choice.

IainG101 votes

Given that I know how far down the chat log that line was, I'd say it was someone who had already been called a racist keeping a poor lid on their frustration. Order of events and causality are both important factors, as well as knowing any troll worth their salt is trying their damnedest to get exactly the response they got here; they feed on tears, a ban will generate way more tears than a single game, and hate speech will earn a ban waaay faster than standard flame. Were I a truly unbiased judge, I would need to take all that into account; we have human judges rather than machines because currently we still need the human element to consider nuance.

That second game would be good to see certainly, but I respectfully disagree with you on the matter of the specialist. The specialist is just flat out wrong about the OP's use of language; he calls a question a request, and a request a question. Now, maybe that wasn't his intention, but then we are back with that 'pot calling the kettle black' thing.

Now what OP did do for most of the game is rise to the troll bait and flame, which is sadly (for OP) punishment worthy (if for no other reason than no food will starve out the trolls eventually); I do agree with you that both sides are at fault. If the OP has been banned for regular, garden-variety flaming then certainly there's a solid case for a 2 week ban there; however, if they've been done in for hate speech, there is not.

Luxanna Ahegao1 votes

how do you know it got revoked?

IncrediPhiLL4 votes

Here is a problem I have. This thread has been active for 6 hours, has gotten some attention, but still no moderator addressing the behavior in a positive or negative way. We are encouraged to address problems with moderators, heralds, specialists, and all of those other responsibilities here, but we don't seem to be getting anywhere.

There is also zero moderator activity on the post that I linked above, which is actually a relatively controversial post of wrongful player banning and questionable behavior by an appointed "specialist"... and the moderators just sit it out.

I think we deserve some moderator comments and activity to get to the bottom of all this... as I understand that is the purpose of these boards.

Maybe I'm not being patient enough and they need more time. I'm just genuinely curious about this whole situation. It's a mess.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

You have to keep in mind the moderators are volunteers and not paid Riot staff. We just hit the weekend and it seems Finals have been going on for those in college. Additionally it is the weekend which means some might have plans to travel and whatnot.

If you think something needs more immediate attention, go to the discord and @mods to pull you into a room. Otherwise reported things go to queue to be reviewed. Controversial things might be discussed before an action is taken. There may not be any rule break that actually requires attention/input.

GatekeeperTDS3 votes

Moderators are going to weigh in when there's something to moderate. Nobody in this thread is breaking any forum rules. One of the primary roles of a moderator is to enforce the board rules, not interject their personal opinions into discussions. They have the right to do so, of course, but I like that the moderators on these boards don't interject themselves into every conversation. Too many moderators of other boards let their egos get the better of them.

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

I get that, but the primary purpose of this thread is to hold the "Specialist" accountable for his/her behavior... which is something I think needs a moderator's or herald's attention. I don't really care what their opinions are. I'm just curious if this particular person has crossed a line. I know there won't be a ban or anything, I just think the "Specialist" tag should be removed as the behavior shouldn't be in line with RIOT's standards.

GatekeeperTDS4 votes

I looked through the thread. Rujitra is always to the point - but he never goes into insult territory. Just because you disagree with what someone says or if they don't sugarcoat their words, it doesn't mean that they've broken any board rules. The reason the specialists on PB have those tags is because they've proven themselves to be knowledgeable about player behavior and are respectful to boards members. They've been appointed by the boards staff. It's not up to you to publicly hold another boards member accountable - and again, specialists are boards members, not staff.

Again - just because you don't like what you hear from someone, doesn't mean they've done something wrong. If you have an issue, take it to the boards Discord and moderator will speak to you personally.

IncrediPhiLL4 votes

I respect your opinion, but you’re in the minority here. He crossed a line. He discriminated against the OP... and he got kind of weird and nonsensical. If I were taking a guess, I’d say you’re probably trying to become a “Specialist” yourself with your response in his/her favor.

And yes, it is up to us to publicly hold board members responsible if they represent the RIOT brand, as stated in the very rules at the top of this forum. If the member in question wasn’t labeled by RIOT as a “Specialist” then it wouldn’t matter. But because the member is a “Specialist” they should be held to a higher standard. I don’t think that’s out of line. This is a completely relevant thread questioning possible abuse by a RIOT representative.

ChaosReyn2 votes

To say he never goes places would be...a stretch. We've had our running in the past, and he is definitely one who can reach the point at which it requires moderation.

That being said, so do I. So does Ula. So does literally anyone, on a day where all the wrong stars are aligned. Not to lessen the accountability of one's actions, but what you're seeing is one thread out of I don't even WANNA know how many the guy responds to on the regular. And it's not like he's consistently disrespectful...I think the term I would use is "pointed."

He was definitely "pointed" here. But not to the point of actual rulebreaking.

rujitra1 votes

I would go so far as to say I was heated. It was not helpful and contributed to the mass misunderstandings in my posts the tone I used.

For full disclosure, I've had some posts moderated. I'm on mobile so can't easily check, but to my recollection these were all in cases where someone else started personally attacking me and I merely said similar things to them. It does not excuse such behavior. It was wrong. But I've learned from it.

ModUlanopo6 votes

I personally don't have anything to add to either thread.

Do I think Rujitra expressed strong opinions in a tart way? Absolutely, but I don't think they crossed the line into requiring moderation.

I also think the OP of that thread is probably disinclined to listen to anything that doesn't support their feeling the ban was unjustified. I read the logs they posted and don't quite understand the ban, but that's something the OP needs to take back to Support, as this is one of those circumstances where we can't really provide clarity.

As for addressing Rujitra's statements, you're always welcome to come to the Discord (link on the left) and make your case. You can also report specific posts you find problematic. Those are probably your best avenues, as we're not especially likely to do a public dressing down of anyone.

IncrediPhiLL2 votes

I appreciate your response and it’s pretty much what I expected. I’ll leave the matter behind me. Let’s put this to bed.

forist5 votes

I'd agree that his actions don't require moderation, but do you really think the opinions he expressed were in line with what we should consider a specialist in player behavior?

edit: I'm not asking for any action to be taken or anything. Just genuinely curious about what merits the title specialist.

rujitra3 votes

So, let me first say that I was tired when commenting on that thread. I did not get my comments across properly. I was guilty of the same offense that I was accusing the OP of (failure to consider my audience and adapt my speech and communication to the audience). Further, I did get heated in that thread. No doubt about it.

That being said, I stand by my claims - and reiterate that they are only my opinion. Asking someone "do you speak English" in a negative way, when there is no mandate for them to do so, makes it seem like English is the "superior language". In fact, people have been kicked out of public places for such things in the past - albeit they usually go much farther. Regardless, it was my opinion that the OP was punished as their communications were not in the realm of "can we find some common ground and communicate", but they came across to me as "you need to speak English [so we can communicate]". Regardless of the intent, the messages came across this way, and quite frankly, if they could speak English, I think they would've been.

There's really no reason for someone to ask someone else to speak their language - you can't control others and while a brief "I'm sorry, I don't speak that language" is okay, attempting to convince them to change their language crosses a line. Is it discriminatory? Maybe the OP's messages didn't rise to that level. That being said, I think the tone was definitely a "English is the only acceptable language here" - especially the messages towards the end of the game. Sarcasm is not a positive thing unless it is absolutely clear you are joking. The OP was either sarcastically saying "if only", or the OP was being negative - kinda like the "sigh" on the internet. That is what pushed it over the line for me to consider it unacceptable. I understand that others may disagree, however the point of the Player Behavior boards is primarily to assist players in understanding punishments. If Riot deemed such behavior unacceptable, then Riot deemed it unacceptable, and a couple hundred people on the boards aren't going to change that.

Furthermore, from myself monitoring that thread, I suspect that there was outside influence outside that of a natural boards response to the thread. It is almost unheard of for a thread to get as many votes in the first couple hours of its existence as that thread did. This is one thing that led me to be a little more aggressive in my comments as I felt I was having to defend my points against multiple individuals who, quite frankly, were only there to "troll" (by disliking my comments because a friend told them to), and not to actually discuss. No, that does not make me getting heated acceptable. Again, I'm sorry. It was not a shining moment for me, and I accept that.


On to your question, the "opinions" of a person do not mean they are fit or unfit for a position generally. A moderator can have an opinion on the rules - but so long as they enforce the rules, there is nothing wrong with them disagreeing with them. Furthermore, a specialist, to my understanding, is someone who displays the ability to evaluate player's concerns and respond to them based in current Riot policies/procedures (as they're publicly known, given we don't have any sort of internal access).

A specialist is not some sort of "Riot apologist" - in fact you'll find cases I've both disagreed with Riot and called them out on decisions I disagree with. Furthermore, to my knowledge, there is nothing prohibiting me from offering my personal opinion on threads, even though I have a specialist tag. I firmly believe, and still do after reviewing that thread now, that the OP was out of line and their behavior rose to a point that it constituted unacceptable "languagist" behavior. Discrimination? Probably not. However, it was negative and it was based in the fact someone was not speaking English. I do not find such behavior okay - no matter how mild it is. I believe everyone should respect one another and do everything possible to accept others - especially when others are not doing anything wrong. I feel the OP was at a bare minimum disrespectful to their teammates who were not speaking English, and that's what fed my opinion.

I accept that people may disagree with my opinion. I accept that I handled that thread poorly. However, I don't think it detracts from my ability to provide answers to other players who are confused about punishment systems in League. Sometimes, I may get it wrong, either in how I respond or what I say. I have willingly opened myself up to criticism from both the moderation team who oversees this "specialist" program, as well as the community. I have truly taken comments to heart that were telling me I was wrong - even when they were not the nicest. I refuse to change my opinion as I still feel it is based in the facts of the case, but I accept that many people disagree with my analysis, and that's okay.

As a final note, I have always told the moderation team that they are free to remove my specialist tag if they feel I do not deserve it or if I am detrimental to the mission of the boards by having it. I said this when they first offered me the tag - I don't care. I am not a "hat collector" (a common internet phrase). I don't care if I have a tag or not. I do care about helping people understand their punishments and how to be better, less toxic players. This comes from having had multiple of my friends end up getting punished, with a few getting permanently banned, and not wanting to see that happen to others, because it does suck, and toxicity does lose games. That's my goal, and I'm truly sorry that the way I carried myself in this thread did nothing to help meet that goal.


I'll also be posting this as a reply to the main thread so the OP can see it as a reply in his/her notifications - to the OP, I will not be editing this comment as honestly I feel I've covered everything I have to say and feel you deserve to see the full response to the concerns. To everyone, I'm sorry, and I hope you'll take the time to look past my heated, and sometimes hostile comments to attempt to see it from my point of view.

Thanks all who read this.

forist3 votes

Ok, cool. Thing is I don't really want to hear your opinion on my question. I want to hear the moderator's answer. I want to know whether a specialist is someone who's information and insight can actually be trusted when posting on a certain boards subsection seeking help or advice.

Judging from the few statements of yours that I have read, I just don't trust your opinions on player behavior matters. Thus, i was trying to get some insight as to why a moderator would consider your opinions helpful enough to merit a specialist tag. Because, whether you care about the tag or not; it does come with a sense of authority that might influence others.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

The official answer would be yes. Specialist are a source of information and have demonstrated to be knowledgable in their sub board.

The complicated answer is also yes, but they are still entitled to their own opinions and may make mistakes (get hot headed) when in discussions.

rujitra1 votes

You should not trust opinions. You should trust facts. If you choose to be swayed by my opinions, that is your prerogative. If you don't, it doesn't mean that my opinions are invalid.

People do not suddenly lose the ability to voice their opinions because they are in a position of authority. I am curious what you want the outcome to be here. Ulanopo has already commented and said that my comments did not cross the line into requiring moderation. Multiple people have told you that people are entitled to their opinions.

Do you want the moderators to be thoughtpolice and remove my specialist tag simply because you disagree with one of my opinions? If so, that is your opinion and I respect your right to say it - but if it is, please just come out and say it. Otherwise, I can't see what you want the outcome to be here.

I was given the specialist tag, as others have said, because my knowledge of the system is decent. Getting downvoted for one of my opinions does not change that fact. Heck, even getting downvoted for facts doesn't mean I was wrong. There have been times I have gotten 50+ downvotes on a comment just for stating an obvious fact about the system.

So, I'm curious what you want the outcome to be. I have apologized for my crass, hostile comments. I will not be changing my opinions or censoring my opinions just because you disagree. That is not incompatible with being a specialist. We are allowed opinions just as you are.

forist1 votes

I think you need to re-read my earlier comment. The part where I mention that I don't necessarily want any action to be taken. I just want clarification from the mod. Part of the reason I don't trust your opinions and the information you give, is that you tend to put words in others mouths and make assumptions about other's intentions. Whether this is just your personality or a little bit of a victim complex I honestly don't know, but I can say with certainty that my comments on this thread have been much more tame than yours.

Your last paragraph is important, because that highlights the problem I'm having with not just you, but the system in general. I don't think your opinions are appropriate of someone who is posting in player behavior to give others advice. You make a distinction between facts and opinions above, but the way I see it is very simple. You do not have any more facts than anyone else on here. You don't work for riot and don't have access to any more information that the rest of the boards community. So, what even is the point of the specialist tag? If we shouldn't even trust your opinions, just the facts, why should you even be considered a specialist in the first place.

Once again, I don't really care if any action is taken or not. I just wanted the mod to give me some clarification on what it means to be a specialist, not your opinion on what it means. So, if you want to know my ideal outcome here it is:

I want to know whether I can trust the information I get from someone with a specialist tag.

rujitra1 votes

You are complaining about me "putting words in others' mouths" but yet you're doing the same here, accusing me of having a victim complex.

You are correct that I do not have more facts. However, many players tend to ignore facts that they either disagree with or don't like. As an example, it is a fact that Riot has confirmed multiple times that the vast majority of players do not think toxicity is ever okay, regardless of other events. Some people refuse to accept this as fact, however. Those players would likely not be chosen as specialists.

The point of the specialist tag is that specialists have been chosen as they have been contributing to the boards (many of us since the old forums software), and as such we have "picked up" knowledge of facts from Riot themselves. Yes, those facts are publicly available and we don't have any special access to them. That does not change the fact that many players will ignore things they don't agree with - whereas we just present the facts as Riot has presented them to the public.

I understand that it may have been unclear that I was offering my opinion as to the chat in that thread. I will do better to ensure that when I am offering an opinion in the future it is labeled as such. However, it is fully possible for a chat log to be obviously punishable because of X reason. In that instance, specialists have been chosen because they are both good at finding the reason a log was likely punished (be it accurate or in error), and good at determining the behavior from the logs.

forist1 votes

I don't know how many times I have to say, but I want the mod's opinion not yours. I'm not here to debate whether or not you specifically are helpful to determining behavior punishments, what I want to know is whether specialists are there to help or to nitpick chat logs and arguments in order to validate a punishment.

As for any accusations, I simply proposed an explanation for your opinions. This is not "putting words in your mouth", so don't equate my statement to what you are doing.

Vegito1011 votes

Nah.You guys just have different standards. Like i said to you 90% comments on PB section does not meet the standards which you imply to ban me (captaincomando1)

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