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How do you play against G2 and not ban The Donger?

IncrediPhiLL··7 votes·7,581 views

Flash Wolves made the rookie mistake. GG G2. Hajarnan on The Donger is an instawin. Glad to see more western teams in the quarters :D

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xChin6 votes

How do you play against NA and not ban Shen?

Eleshakai5 votes

Hjarnan's champ pool is Heimer and NOTHING ELSE. Ban Heimer and Hjarnan goes from asset to liability instantly. I don't get how it EVER makes it through.

There is literally nothing else they coudl ban that is anywhere near as valuable as Heimer. It's a single ban that completely chokes a player out.

hshtagniemehrcdu4 votes

Thats rather simple. FW knew G2 plays Heimer. They prepared Mordekaiser to smash the lane, with which they were probably very sucessful in scrims. This could have worked this game, especially after this start.

You dont just surrender a ban - you try to find a way to defeat it. FW thought they had.

IncrediPhiLL2 votes

Id rather just ban it out than play something as risky as the Morekaiser though :/ To each their own.

hshtagniemehrcdu1 votes

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Id rather just ban it out than play something as risky as the Morekaiser though :/ To each their own.

You can find arguments for both. If you dont try to deal with it, you essentially loose a ban - that's no way to deal with a problem. If you keep that up, soon you'll not have enough bans.

Or you just ban it to be on the safe side.

I think FW had trained this matchup in scrims before and were very sucessful. They clearly had a plan - this was not just simple disrespect.

Dr Poro1 votes

In a bo5 it's worth trying to counter it because you can still ban it next time if your prep didn't work out. But in a bo1, I think you rather play it safe since there's no redo.

I don't think you can really scrim against heimer. His playstyle is unique for the player and the team. No one else plays heimer the way Hjarnan does in G2. It's not just the player, the team has to know how to play with heimer.

HeimerLmao1 votes

How does Morde smash Heimer in lane? Without the support's help he wouldn't be even able to walk up to Heimer, much less smash him. A lot of picks just seem better

Stars Shaper1 votes

In a 2vs2 lane with a tanky support Morde can make best use of his W while not allowing Heimer turrets to focus him. Heimer lack of mobility and reliance on his stun-nade makes it rather easy for Morde to dive him too.

giantZorg1 votes

Morde W obliterates Heimer towers while at the same time gives full champion healing to him. I think there was a post recently somewhere pointing out the inconsistencies of Morde W with champion pets (Zyra plants, Yorick ghuls). At least in theory it can work.

hshtagniemehrcdu2 votes

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How does Morde smash Heimer in lane? Without the support's help he wouldn't be even able to walk up to Heimer, much less smash him. A lot of picks just seem better

It's about the 2v2. Morde can push very hard; if you compare cs, you'll notice he didnt fall behind, and neither was the tower threatened. Tham Kench can eat the towers. G2#s early ganks in this lane werent very sucessful. They can hold their own very well and then translate it into a dragon, which they can then use to get multiple towers. FW simply never reached this breaking point, but they could have.

Stars Shaper1 votes

How do you play against china and not ban the script?

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

Clarify the script for me. I've heard it a lot, but I'm not sure what it means. Are the Chinese teams cheating? Is there a point where it's obvious? It's not like the Chinese have a history of cheating in global competitions or anything... (CoughCoughSarcasmCoughCough)

Stars Shaper1 votes

script not in sense of cheating like autoaim and what not, but just having chinese teams win with throwpicks like GenG did.

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

I honestly thought the lvl 1 in the last RNG and GenG was super fishy. Not only did RNG make a bee line for the bush, but they even hid the Olaf just out of site. Not making any accusations... but they must have known something...

Stars Shaper1 votes

Indeed, best way to keep in the chinese overlords at the expense of the west (I know for a fact that they are way racist towards the occidentals).

Edit: I'm just glad that C9 got out of there at least.

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