TSM has been improving greatly in teamfight coordination, but I am still not sure who's going to take the win. IMT is a very solid team shown in the regular season, BUT TSM could get the win with their significantly better coordination. Something they have been struggling with during the regular season.
Elwynn2 votesDepends which svenskeren shows up too. The one that played super well in the C9 Serie or the one that got caught 3 times in a row vs renegades.
AscendedxBlade2 votesTSM feel fake now i do hope they lose.
KetiaX2 votesTSM. They've shown good adaptation during a 5-game series on not just this spring season, but all seasons back in the day. IMT doesn't have experience on that, and if anything, they had poor adaptation to the tank top lane and Zz'Rot splitpush meta, meaning that in a series where TSM could play these different strategies and team comps like they showed against C9, IMT may not be able to adapt to those.
People still say Huni is a great top laner. I don't like Huni, he's too linear in play style and just never adapts. I much prefer Hauntzer who not only has shown proficiency in tank top lane meta but the ability to carry with them as well. If I were to call one person to be the dark horse MVP this season it would be Hauntzer, he may not be the best player in the team (Bjergsen is), he's definitely the most consistent and the one performing well most often this season.
Guyy Fieri2 votesI'm glad someone else agrees that Haunzter is a little underrated.
Drehirth2 votessven made reignover his bitch
EpicMusic2 votesImt got shat on
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesIt's going to be one hell of a game
GForce9x1 votesHopefully it will be 5 hell of some games ;)
EpicMusic1 votesWait, when is this?
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesNext week Sunday
Virgin Ray1 votesApril 10
Shadowatom1 votesDepends on if TSM can figure out IMT's strategy and find a counter to it and if IMT has a backup strategy if it happens. Whoever fails to do their part will more than likely lose, considering IMT doesn't really need to counter any strategy TSM has (TSM is a very versatile team from what I've seen when it comes to countering strategies) and TSM doesn't need to do anything if IMT doesn't have any other plan up their sleeve.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesI think it's really going to boil down to which jungler and top laner plays better. TSM plays so much better when those are wrecking.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesWell they don't have an advantage in any lane, and are at a real disadvantage in top and jungle. IMT also have better champion pools, yes C9 have played with a bunch of different champions but no where near as effective as IMT. Also people keep saying IMT only has one style, but they have only lost once with it and beat TSM twice with it. So unless TSM can figure out IMT like they did C9 there is no way I see them winning. Also there is the fact that no one actually knows what IMT have up their sleeves, should their "one playstyle" fail.
Ale non è male1 votesWell they don't have an advantage in any lane, and are at a real disadvantage in top and jungle
mmhhh...on paper TSM habe the advantage in mid and bot lane, the problem for them is if they could really have it on the rift because of how the IMT top half of the map is supposedly going to snowball the games in their favour
I disagree that IMT would have only one style, it is just that they don't have had to resort to other styles given no one could push them enough so far
YCitizenSnipsY4 votesI don't think they have an advantage bot lane at all, just look at those kalista ults from DLift. And Yellow was still being randomly caught out. Even in a devastating win they looked like they could play better.
Bjerg looked good in the series, but I don't know how well he will match up against Pob who isn't going to play as aggressive as Jensen most likely.
For TSM to win I feel like IMT have to show up and play just as bad and unusual as C9 did yesterday. LCS scripted confirmed?
Guyy Fieri1 votesI agree with everything you said accept the scripted part...cmon man that's just silly
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesThat would be a meme good sir. Since you know its just a coincidence that both 6th place TSM and FNC beat 3rd place C9 and VIT in dominate fashion after looking lack luster all split. Did I mention that neither or those orgs have missed an LCS final in their respective region since it started?
Guyy Fieri1 votesAh gotcha...I dont follow memes very often sorry
Ale non è male1 votesThat's why I said "on paper" TSM have more talented players at mid and bot lane, but this is likely not going to matter because it's enough for IMT guys to wait that Huni-Reignover to snowball the game in IMT favour out of TSM control
IMT should have a massive melt down to have TSM win, that's pretty much obvious
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesI still don't think I call Doublelift better than Wildturtle. Turtle has just accomplished more since joining the NA LCS. I would defiantly that Yellowstar is better than Adrain, if he starts playing like he is on FNC again.
Ale non è male1 votesI think that they are really similar as playera (after all, the over aggressive thing was Turtle thing too in his career and in the latest times in TSM he got frustrated because they tried to avoid him any kind of aggressiveness), but Double is just some better in what they do If anything, I would actually say that Yellow-Adrian is much closer, as one has definitively the upper hand in experience, game knowledge, and shotcalling/map awareness (Yellow), while the other is definitively better mechanically and at babysitting the ADC style (Adrian)
Guyy Fieri1 votesTSM doesn't have an advantage bot lane sorry. Bjergsen is the only advantage TSM has. Reignover out jungles Svenskeren, Hauntzer can go even with Huni but I doubt he'll get a lead and even with the win over C9, Yellowstar still kept getting caught out, with IMT can do a better job of punishing than C9
Ale non è male1 votesHauntzer can go even with Huni
Absolutely no
Guyy Fieri1 votesLol do you not remember Haunzter solo killing Huni the first time they played? Cause I sure do.
Maybe I was unclear. I am not saying that Haunzter will or should go even, only that on his best days he can go even.
Ale non è male1 votesIn a BoX series Hauntzer can go even or even beat Huni on Huni being overconfident and overaggressive 1 game at most Next game, it is just enough for Huni to limit himself a little bit to just outclass hauntzer, as he can't really bother Huni consistently to make him titlit like a Smeb could do throughout an entire series. It is not a matter of "his best days", it is a matter of how Huni play, and he just beat Hauntzer any time hs does not tilt
If this was a single game elimination, ok, i can see your point. Bo3, well, maybe you can have 1 game of Huni titlting, and one game when Huni team lose so much that it is enough for hauntzer to not lose so much to have the upper hand in his personal series vs huni. B05 series, hauntzer do not keep up for 3+ games with Huni, sorry
Guyy Fieri1 votesEither way, whether Haunzter can or not, my main point was the the jungle matchup and bot lane mis match are going to win the series for IMT, it's not gonna be from top lane unless Reignover makes the plays, at which point it's Reignover making it happen and not Huni.
Ale non è male1 votesBut this is not correct at all It is gonna be jungle and top lane winning the series for IMT, because on top lane Huni just doesn't go even with anyone, he either stomp the enemy or spectacularly fails and lose. Hauntzer doesn't have the tools to make Huni spectacularly fail 3 game out of 5, and if he doesn't have them, than Huni is going to win the games for IMT snowballing from his top lane to the entire map Bot lane is not a mismatch when looking at the 2vs2 in IMT favour, not at all. Bot lane is not going to win the series for IMT, if anything it would be Reignover making the plays and allowing IMT bot lane to get the upper hand in the direct match-up
Guyy Fieri1 votesIt is going to be jungle winning the series, which is kinda what I've said all along. And please recall that I was only stating that Hauntzer can, on good performances, play to the level of Huni, whether for only one game or not. Let me put it this way, in my opinion, the easiest way that IMT will have to win will be through bot lane. While the only chance TSM has is to snowball Bjergsen and then have Bjergsen and Svenskeren snowball Haunzter (if Reignover hasn't already gotten Huni fed).
Ale non è male1 votesAnd please recall that I was only stating that Hauntzer can, on good performances, play to the level of Huni,
No, he can not play on Huni level unless Huni do not shit the bed himself even if himself has a good performance The easiest way IMT has to win is Huni destroying Hauntzer and Reingover enhancing that advanatge even more throughout all the map with Huni The only chance TSM have is to snowball their bot lane, as Pobelter can just hold on on the defensive vs Bjergsen with his passive style allowing Huni to do the carry, Huni being aided by reignover
Guyy Fieri1 votesI guess we'll see on Sunday...don't get me wrong I think IMT have it in the bag but TSM cannot even hope to win through Bot lane...DoubleLift and Yellowstar simply don't have the synergy that WildTurtle and Adrian do
Ale non è male1 votesDouble and Yellow just showed enough synergy to beat Sneaky-Hai bot lane... They don't have to do what WildTurtle and Adrian do, because the teams are just structured in different ways
Guyy Fieri1 votesAfter seeing the series, I feel like bringing this back up is worth doing. Huni got tilted hard. Had he limited himself a little bit to "outclass" Hauntzer like you said he would, IMT might have won. But that didn't have. As I said all along. Svenskeren, Bjergsen and Haunzter snowballed games to get leads for TSM through shutting down Huni and Reignover. Not trying to be a dick just trying to show how things aren't always as they seem.
Ale non è male1 votesAfter seeing the series, I feel like bringing this back up is worth doing. Huni got tilted hard. Had he limited himself a little bit to "outclass" Hauntzer like you said he would, IMT might have won. But that didn't have. As I said all along. Svenskeren, Bjergsen and Haunzter snowballed games to get leads for TSM through shutting down Huni and Reignover. Not trying to be a dick just trying to show how things aren't always as they seem.
Huni got tilted hard by the idiotic pick and ban of the team though. The Lucian top pick on Game 1 of a series was something completely unnecessary and backfired hugely, and they keep on picking bad for the entire team in the subsequent games (IMT didn't playing even once a support with a heal in his kit and tunneling on Karma pick for no reason when Adrian was nuts on Janna/Soraka combo? No Janna or Alistair? The Janna pick they let it slip in game 3?). That pick didn't make sense even if IMT would want to go for the triple marksmen comp, Huni has the Quinn pick available and they go for Lucian? If anything this just confirmed what I was saying all along, that Hauntzer had no chance to win if it wasn't for Huni himself tilting hard, which was what happened all along, and the tilt didn't came from Hauntzer play, just like didn't came from Balls play last season in the game G9 won at Worlds vs Fnatic (and S5 Balls was even worse than S6 Hauntzer) And confirmed also that immortals problem is that all their players are good, but barring Huni/Reignover duo no one can carry vs a good team. Once Huni got tilted by his same IMT coaching and Svenskeren beat Reignover, the other guys were helpless Last year Fnatic had enough talent to win at times when Huni/Reignover weren't straight out carrying like the series vs Origen in Summer Split playoff final when Huni beat sOAZ only 1 game out of 5 and sOAZ was generally performing better than Huni (that was bad on the broken gangplank pick that was now picked for him in Game 2 of the series and this season has beaten only BillyBoss and Impact on a tank with it?), with Rekkles being the Finals MVP vs Niels(Zven)
Guyy Fieri1 votesThere was more than just Huni getting tilted that won that series. Bear in mind that IMT was up 7-0 in kills in game before Bjergsen and co. turned it around. Is Haunzter better than Huni, no. But Haunzter showed that he is at least comprable when it comes to team fighting. Yes maybe Hauntzer looses the 1v1, but he sure brings a lot more to team fights than Huni. I don't know why you can't just grasp this idea that TSM and Haumzter specifically, are better than they played during the regular season. But whatever, their play backed me up on that just fine
Ale non è male1 votesThere was more than just Huni getting tilted that won that series.
Except for the whole pick and ban fiasco which I was mentioning, no Huni and RO didn't carry, no one on IMT could carry. There were really two keys for the series because those things just changed completely IMT dynamics Hautnzer is not comparable to the not tilting Huni in any facet of the game, just stop with the revisionism now I can easily grasp that TSM was better than they were during RS, heck I kept them higher than most people here when evaluating team strengths during RS, so I knew that too, as I was also one of the ones defending Sven and Yellow back then Whatever, what happened confirmed what I was saying all along about IMT and TSM, and if you can't grasp that, I don't know what to say to you
Guyy Fieri1 votesHuni didn't get tilted because of pick/ban. He got tilted because TSM knew how to exploit Immortals and their team comp. I'm frankly sick of people making all of these excuses for Immortals. They played like crap, TSM played better at nearly facets of the game. They knew that Immortals was going to be aggressive so they just capitalized on the mistakes made unlike so many other teams and creates leads for themselves that they rode to victory. It is Huni's fault for tilting or the coach's for bad pick/ban or any of the players for any reason. Immortals lost because TSM was better yesterday. Quit making excuses for them.
Ale non è male1 votesHuni didn't get tilted because of pick/ban. He got tilted because TSM knew how to exploit Immortals and their team comp.
LOL. How can you say that when IMT didn't even play their usual picks and team comps? Huni didn't play his usual duelist champs except for the third game, he played Lucian and Gangplank Pobelter rather than going with his poke/long range champs went with Urgot and Lissandra that almost never touched Adrian tunneled on Karma pick even when Janna on which he beasted throughout the entire season was open and was completely uninterested in Alistair that is meta and that he played extensively in the past
IMT pick and ban was a complete disaster, they didn't pick their usual comps, they didn't pick meta comps, they picked random things because they had to urge to win the early game (Urgot vs Zed pick as example), which is non sense cause TSM has always been strong early even when they were throwing games mid to late game
I'm frankly sick of people making all of these excuses for Immortals. They played like crap, TSM played better at nearly facets of the game. They knew that Immortals was going to be aggressive so they just capitalized on the mistakes made unlike so many other teams and creates leads for themselves that they rode to victory. It is Huni's fault for tilting or the coach's for bad pick/ban or any of the players for any reason. Immortals lost because TSM was better yesterday. Quit making excuses for them.
And how this is exactly making excuses? TSM played better and deserved to win. Losing this series doesn't make Huni worse than Hauntzer, though, the idea is just stupid, given that was the entire IMT starting from coaching throughout the players that had a terrible performance in the entire series
Guyy Fieri1 votesI literally never said that Hauntzer was better than Huni. I said he played better than Huni yesterday, very different. Think what you but Immortals lost because TSM played better. We're their comps unorthodox, sure. But as their 7-0 start in game 1 showed, it was working, TSM just outplayed Immortals, came back to win and then the rest was history.
Ale non è male1 votesYeah, because Huni tilted by himself I don't see how can it be seen in another way or can be disagreed
IMT should have never ever have played for early game. That is a coaching mistake. You don't change your comps like they did aiming for the early game vs a team vs strong laners above all
If you are IMT, you want to bait TSM to do the same mistakes they did in RS, forcing them to chase you all around the map in your rotations and taking objective after objective until you are choking them. Going for what they went, the very first moment when TSM comp outscaled them they automatically lost The aggressive way IMT plays, they just can't afford to have this happen, because since they are hyper aggressive, they can have the possibility to even lose a teamfight but then play the next one with the advantage and get the win. Instead they lose a teamfight, their comp scale worse and the comp is wacky, it means the thing roll on the downside...and once you add the Huni titlting gamestyle, things just getting worse
There is no way it can be argued than what IMT was doing was working at any point
foinhas1 votesTSM loses against IMT and wins against TL because fourth place
Nipsahoy1 votesTSM will lose for sure.
Kal Vas Flam1 votesTSM going to get crushed.
Guyy Fieri1 votesMy honest opinion is that IMT will win the series...I'm pulling for TSM though so that if my TL boys beat CLG, they can dodge IMT
FurryBiscuittt1 votesMy honest opinion is that IMT will win the series...I'm pulling for TSM though so that if my TL boys beat CLG, they can dodge IMT
I would rather have IMT win 3-0 if TL takes CLG. TL needs as much adversity as possible with such a rookie heavy squad. Having to face off against a 20-1 team leading into the finals is much better for the team in the long run, even if TSM is objectively the better team in a Bo5.
Guyy Fieri1 votesFor me, I wanna see TL get some international experience, I think that would go a long way towards getting the rookies really understanding of what level they need to play at. Honestly though, if TL can beat CLG it's a great experience either way because either they have a Bo5 with Immortals or they get a chance (provided they can beat TSM) to play at MSI. Either way, it's a win-win in my opinion.
HyperSMB1 votesIMT is going to stomp them into the dirt.
TSM may take one off them if lucky.
The Deckowner1 votesi think bjergson is a better mid laner than probelter, if they put bjergson on a carry instead of a utility mid then they will have a chance. like when TSM has bjergson playing lulu they always lose. it's team solo mid they have to go back to the mid lane oriented style.
Truly Prideful1 votesI think it will be 3-1 IMT. Maybe next split will be TSM's time.