His play has consistently been a fucking joke for the entirety of worlds.
Perhaps the only thing he is good for is antagonizing Tyler1, but other than that he is a washed up piece of shit compared to the rest of the pro scene.
KazaLyn Shao6 votesCloud 9 get rid of everybody, especially Sneaky. Worst ADC NA.
paperbIade5 votes[{quoted}](name=KazaLyn Shao,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=h2pATguI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-10-14T00:41:11.613+0000)
Cloud 9 get rid of everybody, especially Sneaky. Worst ADC NA.
the jhin ult xD
KazaLyn Shao3 votes[{quoted}](name=I Win Haha,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=h2pATguI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-14T00:44:12.753+0000)
the jhin ult xD
Sneaky makes Doublelift look good.
paperbIade3 votes[{quoted}](name=KazaLyn Shao,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=h2pATguI,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T00:46:06.942+0000)
Sneaky makes Doublelift look good.
rip c9
MiTsuO Akai1 votesOMFG!! I HATE HIM WITH A PASSION!!! YES!! #DOWNWITHSNEAKY
TheSequelsRBad3 votesTo be fair, I feel like he is not performing any worse than most of C9 right now, they are just getting outclassed currently.
Gaxx D1 votesThey're playing without a jungler, of course they'll be outperformed in a 4v5 match. And I'm not defending the entire team, as they did play poorly. But the fact, that your jungler is just an useless piece of a map doesn't help at all.
Ricketts1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gaxx D,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=h2pATguI,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T03:25:33.536+0000)
They're playing without a jungler, of course they'll be outperformed in a 4v5 match. And I'm not defending the entire team, as they did play poorly. But the fact, that your jungler is just an useless piece of a map doesn't help at all.
I don't see how you are so down on him. Maybe he should field better champs, but he's not making horrible plays like the rest of his team. Take your video example. OK, he sees Olaf with an item lead heading through Jung toward top, he backs to buy, and the duo top have time to fall back. They instead get caught and murdered. What could Meteos really have done? A little, but not much. Across the board, C9 under performed. Impact got owned in lane with a solo champ advantage or higher farm. Jensen just got wrecked when he more often than not countered Crown. Sneaky and Smoothie squandered leads and couldn't pressure or defend to save their lives. While Meteos was not a major help, he did nothing worse than the rest of C9.
Gaxx D1 votesBefore NA finals he was a serviceable jungler. Not great by any means, but not that awful either (though his build path was awful from the start). Then he just started playing like shit, and that continues to this day. And you don't have to be making horrible plays, to be a horrible jungler. My video is just one example - I posted that actual moment, because I just finished watching a vod at that time, and that particular "play" burned in my memory. It wasn't the first time either. Go, rewatch all the games since Meteos rejoined C9. 9 out of 10 times he's NEVER close to his botlane duo, when they're pushing to get the turret. He's almost never counter-ganking either, something you should be ready for when any of your lanes are vulnerable (down summoners, pushing the lane hard). Most of the time he's either farming his own jungle or taking an opponents gromp or krugs or w/e. He was one of the worst junglers in this worlds. He had the lowest ammount of kills per game and was 4th last in assists per game out of all the junglers (and that's including Athena who played one game as a jungler). I can't find the first blood participation stats, but I'm pretty sure those are low too. You might go with the "oh, but he was playing against the best junglers in the world" argument. He wasn't. There were 5 good junglers in the tournament (Korea alone have 4 world class junglers), in Trick, Clearlove, Sven, Jankos and Peanut, and 3 of them shat the bed (1 is still in the game, so that may change though). Ambition is sort of a wildcard, and I'd never put him as one of the top junglers in the world. So there's your answer as to "why am I so down on Meteos".
Ricketts1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gaxx D,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=h2pATguI,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-15T08:05:52.624+0000)
Before NA finals he was a serviceable jungler. Not great by any means, but not that awful either (though his build path was awful from the start). Then he just started playing like shit, and that continues to this day. And you don't have to be making horrible plays, to be a horrible jungler. My video is just one example - I posted that actual moment, because I just finished watching a vod at that time, and that particular "play" burned in my memory. It wasn't the first time either. Go, rewatch all the games since Meteos rejoined C9. 9 out of 10 times he's NEVER close to his botlane duo, when they're pushing to get the turret. He's almost never counter-ganking either, something you should be ready for when any of your lanes are vulnerable (down summoners, pushing the lane hard). Most of the time he's either farming his own jungle or taking an opponents gromp or krugs or w/e. He was one of the worst junglers in this worlds. He had the lowest ammount of kills per game and was 4th last in assists per game out of all the junglers (and that's including Athena who played one game as a jungler). I can't find the first blood participation stats, but I'm pretty sure those are low too. You might go with the "oh, but he was playing against the best junglers in the world" argument. He wasn't. There were 5 good junglers in the tournament (Korea alone have 4 world class junglers), in Trick, Clearlove, Sven, Jankos and Peanut, and 3 of them shat the bed (1 is still in the game, so that may change though). Ambition is sort of a wildcard, and I'd never put him as one of the top junglers in the world. So there's your answer as to "why am I so down on Meteos".
OK, so you're coming at this more from a season long view. I won't argue that because I really don't have the time to really follow and view closely during the splits. I'm just seeing a lot of hate after Quarters when really their entire team was just beaten across the board and he didn't make any downright horrible plays. (I mean, it's not like he dashed himself into a minion cluster and trap himself to death.) I guess the real question is, who could they really get to improve that position, and is it the one that needs upgraded most?
Gaxx D1 votesDardoch was the obvious choice before he joined Echo Fox, as he has the potential to be one of the best junglers, and is one of the best talents NA ever had, but apparently they didn't even try to recruit him, which was a really bad move by the organization. Right now all you can hope for is tryouts before the next season begins.
NervPursuit2 votesjust get rid of that entire roster
B00B002 votesso get rid of CLG and TSMs entire roster too?
Maszii1 votesCLG keep Smithie and Aphro (and maybe Stixxay if you can find someone who can play tanks only at top). TSM can stay together.
B00B001 votesaye i agree i was just making a point to how useless and vague his post was.
i think for his first international stage Biofrost showed a lot of promise and did just fine, TSM as a whole didn't do badly they uderperformed in week2 in my opinion.
CLG, huhi needs to go stixxay.....im really unsure aphro i think is over rated too and think should be moved on i know thats an unpopular opinion though.
xmithie i think is great i really do, under rated by quite a big margin i would say.
Genocide Victim2 votesHarsh but true.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesget rid of the whole team except for impact. their whole team sucks.
KazaLyn Shao3 votesget rid of the whole team except for impact. their whole team sucks.
Impact played like crap during groups and the quarters. He needs to go too.
MunchCrunchLunch2 voteshe has good mechanics the picks are bad. their coach needs to go away too. i mean lets ignore how they played the games. but what kind of fucking team comps are these
Gaxx D2 votesThis is what I keep saying. This dude has no clue how to play the map and his build in almost every game makes me cringe. Every single time GA rush, just so he doesn't die as much and can keep his kda. GA picked up that early doesn't help your team at all, you're down a whole item of combat stats - all it does is make the other team focus you later during teamfights (which is THE LAST THING you want as a tank). Also: https://youtu.be/iTEGJYT_QKk?list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7WsTdJMGsDtH6JuPmgmaQAw&t=1019
What in the actual fuck. You put your botlane on top to push the turret, you JUST SAW OLAF RUNNING THROUGH YOUR JUNGLE AND YOU BACK TO BASE? His play looks like a random soloq shit.
TBakes2 votesJust keep in mind, these 5 players and the coach really only played one full split and Worlds together.
Spring consisted of Balls, Rush, Jensen, Sneaky, and Bunny/Smoothie rotating with Lemonnation as the coach.
They replaced Balls with Impact, and Bunny stepped down as a Support, so Smoothie got locked in. Because they decided on two imported players, Jensen and Impact, C9 had to put Rush on the C9C team and since Meteos was still on the roster they decided to put him in as a starter. Then they hired Reapered as coach. I think we can all agree that this roster is an upgrade from the Spring roster.
I bet they will look solid next Spring. Towards the end of Summer Split, and even a couple of times during Worlds, we have seen they have a high ceiling. Jensen can body fools. Impact can 1v2 like a boss. Sneaky pops off here and there. Meteos and Smoothie's main jobs are to enable these three players, and when they succeed it is a beautiful thing. The problem is that these two players are the least consistent, in my opinion. I think Smoothie needs more confidence. I can't say the same about Meteos.
Worlds so far seems to be much more Jungle focused. Meteos just seems out-classed in this pool of Junglers. Look at the players in that position that are in the Quarterfinals: bengi/Blank, mlxg, Peanut, Clearlove, Jankos, PvPStejos, Ambition, and Meteos. There are couple of clear tiers in this position, and Meteos is in the lower one.
I could see them getting a new Jungler. I could also see them keeping the roster the same, having a full off-season of training together, and coming back strong for next year. I will root for them either way.
B00B001 votesi if it where me would keep them all, i'd bring in a jungle sub a new support sub and an ADC sub, i would train them all vigoriously together and see how spring split turns out.
Miror B1 votesPretty sure you don't have to worry about it, if he performs terribly next split then they can always sub in Contractz and bench him indefinitely. The farm system is deep with them.
Ricketts1 votesI would argue while Meteos might not have made any amazing plays, he was really the only one able to keep their team fights from being a total slaughter in that last game. Despite getting owned in lane, Impact was doing most of the damage while Jensen and Sneaky were just flat.
Mazariamonti1 votesThey lost because their vision game was atrocious, there was a lack of communication between Jensen and meteos (Jensen keeps pushing up or recalling when meteos is not in a position for backup) and they were often outplayed mechanically when they actually attempted to make plays. This was more than "meteos is garbage" "impact is,the only good player even though he got solo killed 4 times" "sneaky should just step down that shit"
Leon Etoile2 votesYou are aware who is responsible for vision? It would be the JG and Supp. Smoothie was stuck in lane b/c of how badly Sneaky was exploited (he is a horrible laner). So, Meteos and Sneaky (for handicapping Smoothie to him) would be responsible.
Odd meteos shows up again. We don't know what was communicated so we'll blame both.
Meteos, Sneaky and Smoothie were repeatedly outplayed. I don't fault smoothie on some of those games though. When you pick Alistar and can't roam b/c your adc isn't laning well, you are screwed into the matchups that were picked. The cow was picked for roaming plays; not babysitting.
Meteos is garbage and only on team b/c Riot changed residency rules. 4b) Impact and Jensen are the best players on the team 4c) Sneaky just showed he isn't a top tier adc. He's 2nd tier in NA so expected he'd get wrecked by the best adcs in the world.
Mazariamonti1 votesI said their vision game was atrocious mostly because their vision around Baron as compared to SSG's was abysmal and could be directly linked to at least one and arguably two of their losses. Baron vision and control is a strength of SSG's and when matched up against C9 that difference proved to be way too great to overcome. I know vision is shared between jungler and support, I didn't say otherwise, just that vision was a problem.
Agreed
Smoothie did roam on Alistar. He specifically screwed up a critical roam in game 1 that was definitely his fault, though there were other instances where it was once again the team not being quite on the same page.
METEOS didn't play well. I don't know why you're acting like I said he did. Sneaky didn't play well, I don't know why you're acting like I said he did. In my honest opinion every player on the team played pretty poorly though Jensen mostly just was consistently average which isn't good enough for him.
I really don't know why you're being so antagonistic in your response. It's not like I called you out specifically as being "Wrong" or a "fucking idiot" or something. I just gave my thoughts in response to a thread which wasn't even yours, and you then proceed to try to prove me wrong on points I didnt even make.
Leon Etoile1 votesI'm glad C9 got wrecked for their treatment of Rush.
Mazariamonti1 votesOk?
