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I'm not saying this was an obvious fix... but...

IncrediPhiLL··2 votes·1,187 views

When you have professional players not ulting on Ekko at obvious times, hitting blast cones to send you back into a team, losing team fights while having Baron, and turret diving in a clearly losing situation, I don't chalk that up to "mistakes" as the casters so bluntly put it. I chalk that up to game throwing. And when one team (that was consistently dominant all season) makes every single one of those mistakes in the final series to lose at critical moments, I don't chalk that up to chance either.

That is all. I'll take my saltiness somewhere else.

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GeminiRune4 votes

So it's not a game 5 with a lot of pressure?

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

I understand some pressure in tough situations, but man C9 sure did make some obvious throwing attempts. Jenson is the best Ekko in NA and possibly the world, but doesn't ult in game 2 that gave up the snowball and doesn't ult in game 5 that loses the series? I don't chalk that up to pressure. Even I could have pushed R in that situation. Ray hitting the blast cone to send him back into a fight after he flashed to escape? That's not pressure, that's easily game throwing. I know that RIOT has a history of doing this, but I don't think I've ever seen it more obvious.

Reminds me of the TSM/C9 finals a few years back where Wild Turtle single handedly won a team fight after critting the entire team with explosive shot on 3 consecutive shots... like what?

GeminiRune2 votes

So a 40 minute game situation ultimately winding up to be an Aqua Prison + Scatter burst being completely shut down doesn't suffice for a high pressure moment? Let's see if you can survive by pressing R at half health while being trapped inside of an Aqua Prison...while being in Ultimatum....and still avoid whatever a Syndra and other remaining opponents dish out.

And you're only bashing on C9 here. TSM made similar lofty and overaggressive moves as well which were capitalized on. Why do you think the game was so close in the first place?! You're only telling one side of it and getting upset over it just like you've been for the past 2 hours.

Hadfield1 votes

Stop saying Jensen got hit by Nami, he didn't.

GeminiRune1 votes

Realize that this was BEFORE the evidence showed it. My point would still stand with the rest of it.

Hadfield1 votes

Your point still stands, but there wasn't a need for evidence post-game. Biofrost used his Q right after Jensen died, it could clearly be seen live.

GeminiRune1 votes

I mean before it was evident to me. I didn't feel the need to correct my original post over a single flaw.

Sims16192 votes

I know that RIOT has a history of doing this

Do you have any actual proof of this or just unsupported claims?

Trump Those Libs1 votes

Please get rid of ur C9 tag a fan is a fan win or lose. Go be a tsm fan or something

KazaLyn Shao3 votes

Oh boy, conspiracies abound. Lemme guess, lemme guess, the moon landing was also faked.

CrazFight 3 votes

I cringe everytime i see a post like this [zombie-brand-facepalm] Let me guess, the superbowl is rigged every year to

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

Thats not the match being fixed, thats players choking. It happens in real sports.

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

Not to mention benching Impact in favor of Ray in a critical game 5....

FlashNeko1 votes

If it was a fix, they could have at least gone for the feel-good ending instead of the utterly depressing one.

IncrediPhiLL1 votes

Very true. But Riot was getting A LOT of backlash for those first two games. I'm pretty sure they were going for a quick 3 and 0 sweep and just told the players to make it close. In the long run, all either of these two teams cares about is Worlds. Riot can let their baby win NA LCS every time, but it's worlds that C9 cares about... even though they are pretty awful there XD

FlashNeko1 votes

See, while I do think that, as their cash cow name brand recognized team, Riot shows TSM some leniency towards bending rules that other teams have had the book thrown at them for, I'm not quire sure how ready I am to buy outright game manipulation (beyond Bjerg occasionally complaining about a bug that wasn't actually there getting the other team's champion banned in a remake but that's a different issue).

byakugan1233 votes

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See, while I do think that, as their cash cow name brand recognized team, Riot shows TSM some leniency towards bending rules that other teams have had the book thrown at them for, I'm not quire sure how ready I am to buy outright game manipulation (beyond Bjerg occasionally complaining about a bug that wasn't actually there getting the other team's champion banned in a remake but that's a different issue).

what do you mean it wasnt there they have a whole article on how they fixed it and a Bjerg player cam so stop being salty

FlashNeko1 votes

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what do you mean it wasnt there they have a whole article on how they fixed it and a Bjerg player cam so stop being salty

When it cropped up at Worlds, they had evidence of it and had to fix it there. That instance I have no issue with, even if it does seem helluva convenient it somehow only happened to one player twice.

When Bjerg complained about it in the play-offs a few patches earlier? They never showed his player cam, they never offered any actual proof (and in fact, all the other views at the time they did show implied Aurelion's particles were working as they should), they just took his word for it and gave TSM what was functionally a free fourth ban for the rest of the series.

I'm not being salty, I'm just pointing out why some people might think TSM gets preferential treatment sometimes (because they do).

WhiperSnapers2 votes

When Bjerg complained about it in the play-offs a few patches earlier? They never showed his player cam, they never offered any actual proof (and in fact, all the other views at the time they did show implied Aurelion's particles were working as they should), they just took his word for it and gave TSM what was functionally a free fourth ban for the rest of the series.

This was a while ago so please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I remember, they spent a good half hour or so on stage that day during the pause just to see if this was a one time thing or if there was some sort of pattern to it. They may not have shown footage of the bug, but there was clearly enough evidence to warrant a remake. During the time that they were testing this, they determined that it was a specific sequence of inputs (something like toggle camera x times while going in and out of brush or something else like that) from the aurelion sol player. It was such an odd pattern that it was likely intentional, but not completely impossible to pull off accidentally so they gave huhi the benefit of the doubt.

...gave TSM what was functionally a free fourth ban for the rest of the series

Now this is something that I remember very clearly. Everyone seems to forget that even though it felt like CLG had momentum, the gold was in favor of TSM... so while it would be natural to say that TSM got a free 4th ban, it would seem as though you could just as easily make the claim that CLG was going to lose the game anyway making an aurelion sol pick unlikely in the following game which essentially throws out the free fourth ban idea. Basically what we can conclude is that the game wasnt long enough to support one claim over the other so it would be trivial to say that they got a free 4th ban or that CLG was going to lose anyway. What we do know is that TSM was 2-0 against CLG that split and that TSM swept them convincingly once Aurelion Sol was removed. If Sol had not been removed and CLG somehow managed a comeback that game, we would be left wondering how CLG could possibly win the next game because TSM would obviously have swapped one of the other bans for Sol (for a total of 3 bans)...and the answer quite frankly is that they couldnt.

The preferential treatment you speak of seems to be based in a hopeful/"best case scenario" hypothetical situation. Realistically speaking there was a bug that either resulted in a death or was repeatable and therefore according to the rules the game must be remade or the champion disabled until fixed. Unfortunately for Aurelion Sol it happened to be both. This isn't a TSM only policy as we saw the same thing happen to graggas the year before at worlds when a different team encountered a bug with the champ. That instance had a much bigger impact because he was a very common jg at the time where as Sol has still seen very little play nearly a year later.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

It's actually really easy to accidentally blast off, especially in the middle on a team fight like that...and look baron throws happen everywhere, both teams were fed and had plenty of potential to win team fights...before you assume it's all rigged, take a moment and ask yourself, truly, honestly could you have played that series perfectly if you stepped in for anyone on C9? That answer is no, so get over yourself these guys aren't perfect, especially in high pressure situations

Guyy Fieri1 votes

And for the record, why don't you stop taking the win away from TSM those five players earned that victory and this is pretty much invaididating their success as a team...grow up dude

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