Yamato Disrespects Balls After Origen Quarterfinal

Randomonium·Oct 15, 2015·61 votes·4,883 views

Yamato is one of my favorite commentators but I was really disappointed when Yamato slammed Balls during the highlight of SoaZ's pentakill on Darius saying that Balls' pentakill didn't require any skill. That's the kind of crap I expect from trolls on the forums, not a paid commentator. What made things even worse is that none of the commentators corrected him, instead they agreed with him. It really is kind of disgusting and shows the toxic underbelly of this community. That kind of blatant disrespect for a professional wouldn't be tolerated in any other sport. Can you imagine a football commentator saying that a wide receiver making a one handed grab in the endzone didn't require any skill? Or a basketball commentator saying a long three point at the buzzer didn't require any skill? He'd be pulled from the broadcast before he could even finish his sentence.

Its really sickening to see how a lot of these professional players are treated. These guys are some of the best in the world and they get more disrespect than bronze players.

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AxxukaOct 15, 201516 votes

They said multiple times Darius was designed to the pentakill champ and the rework amplified it.

Get your fact straight.

Even Katarina requires more than R for a pentakill. He just did Q,AA RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR in that fight, no skill required, it'S Darius get over it. He picked him because he knows he's broken OP and they are just idiot for not banning him with GP/Fiora

RandomoniumOct 15, 201524 votes

Dude, this conversation isn't about Darius. This conversation is about disrespecting pro players. Doesn't matter who he got the pentakill on. The fact of the matter is a professional commentator was bad mouthing a pro on the air. That's just not acceptable.

I guarantee you none of us could have replicated what Balls did in those games. To say all he did was just Q, AA, RRRRRRR shows how little you understand how much work these pros put into the game. Like I said, these guys are the best in the world, they deserve respect not bad mouthing.

I honestly can't believe people are disagreeing with me on this. Who would have thought that giving professional players respect was such a controversial issue.

Left Hook LarryOct 15, 20157 votes

When will this community stop being little pussies? " Omg he said that penta kill took no skill, so disrespectful"

Truth is Balls is a shitty player who just abused a broken champ to get a penta

RandomoniumOct 16, 201515 votes

If Balls is a shitty player then what does that make you? He's got a 62% win rate in Diamond 1 compared to your 58% win rate in Plat 5.

You're just as dumb as one of those idiots who sits watching the TV thinking that he could take on a lower rank UFC fighter just because the guy gets beat by one of the best of the world. The truth is that you'd get your ass kicked.

Gaxx DOct 16, 201513 votes

You people just don't understand. Balls is a professional player who gets paid for what he does. Just because he's better player than most people doesn't mean he can't be criticized if he fails to deliver. If I am a cook and fail to make a dish that satisfies the consumer I'm not gonna hide behind the "I'm a cook and I cook better than you" excuse. I'm gonna take a flak for the dish and rightfully so. Balls is a professional player who doesn't deliver, he does deserve the criticism. I'm not here to do it, I'm not gonna comment on what Yamato said, I'm just saying, that you people should stop using that shity excuse "he's better than you at what he does, so you have no right to criticize him". That's bullshit.

WulfyOct 16, 20155 votes

Except, this is more like two chefs gave you a beautiful meal that was delicious, and a commentator saying "Balls used a grill to make his steak. That took no skill compared to this guy who used the oven to bake it."

Maybe one is better. Maybe one is harder. But you don't say "it took no skill," especially when your job is to talk about the preparation, presentation, or taste.

That guy was an unprofessional dick for saying that because it wasn't a criticism. It was an attack with no reason and held no value in context of the events.

Gaxx DOct 16, 201513 votes

Okay, seriously - did you even watch it? All Yamato said was "this pentakill required more skill than that of a Balls, because Soaz had to use his entire kit for it". He didn't say, that Balls has no skills. Also, I wasn't refering to what Yamato said in my previous post, I said that the "he's better than you, so you can't criticize him" excuse is invalid one. And so is your example, as it has no meaning in this entire context.

SlappybiscuitOct 16, 20151 votes

Which fight takes more skill? Scenario 1 : Player A has 13 seconds to get a pentakill, where it is a chaotic 5v5 team fight with each team throwing every spell they have every which way, to get the pentakill he only has time to use each skill once besides his Ult and can only reuse the ult if he successfully uses it on a killing blow. He can't spam his abilities because if he uses any of them at the wrong time the enemy escapes.

Scenario 2 : Player B has 22 seconds to get a pentakill, where the enemy team filters in a few at a time to make it easy. The player has no worry about the enemy escaping because they are not near any base. The player even Ults Gnar without putting any stacks on him. His team is able to serve up the final kills on a silver platter ensuring that it is indeed that player to get the pentakill.

Both scenarios were great fights and nothing should be taken away from either of them. Both fights had Darius using his entire kit, Soaz had more time to do it and even more leeway for when he had to use them. Balls had to do it split second in shorter time. Balls even played it better and didn't burn the ult on someone without auto-ing them first. So it's pure bullshit to say Soaz penta took more skill than Balls' but it's even MORE bullshit to bring it up in the first place.

Ale non è maleOct 16, 20159 votes

Nonono I'd say sOAZ pentakill was the result of far more skill from the top laner, tbh

When balls made the pentakill, it was a situation where C9 had the advantage on re-engage with some Fnatic members being yet lower on health because of a very aggressive engage on C9 backline (Reignover, Huni and Febiven on the backline from previous damage), and it was mainly Azir incarnation ulti that set up the penta as it grouped up FNC player against the wall, also separating Yellow's Alistair (who would have had the tools to keep Darius on check) from the rest of the team, costing him his life as he flashed ulti when he was yet at low health to make the play. Also, Darius was ignored (and I'd say also disrepsected by FNC players) for the entire fight until the point he could actually come in and clean up from almost 100% health with the ulti reset It is not casual that casters were actually praising incarant0n for the play more than Balls

in sOAZ penta instead FW was not grouped, and FW had the health advantage as OG was taking baron. Also, darius was focused from the start with Jinx ulit, Karsa focusing him, then Morgana ulting him and he needing to escape fromt that and Jinx damage with Steak that was coming from behind, and he had to time much much better his Q heal to survive the whole fight, as he was very low before killing Steak, NL and swordArt. - especially when he was so low that could not use ulti to finish the enemy but he had to speed up ulti use vs Steak given that he was forced to ult-Q to actually kill Steak and survive and meanwhile was able to hit also swordArt with Q too for the exta kill and extra health to finish NL'S Jinx -. Actually, sOAZ made a huge play on Karsa engage to set up the fight as he apprehend him to put him on Niels damage range while he was going towards Amazing and peke together with Steak (that was the reason why Steak seemed like separate from the rest of the team for the entire fight) The only "help" he received was Mithy headbutting Maple to make him arrive later to deal damage, and then when Maple went for Niels and Mithy, sOAZ stepped up to kill Maple and and save both of them that were really close to dying, and Amazing ulti that separated Steak from Darius that was turning toward Morgana and Jinx buying some more time for darius to deal damage and reset, and even then swordArt had a perfect Zhonya and forced sOAZ to do the abovementioned ult->Q play on Steak and the same swordArt to survive after escaping Morg ulti leash and Jinx damage

And the end result of the play was all five members of Origen alive, instead of 3 C9 members alive in Balls pentakill

SO, sOAZ penta > Balls penta from top laner skills standpoint. Both were amazing playes, eh, but sOAZ has to take more credits for his play

SlappybiscuitOct 16, 20151 votes

I can agree with this. I was looking at it with a more reaction time skill to complete the pentakill and not the top laner role skill that you explained here. I just felt it was unfair to single out balls for skill quality when he did display skill (albiet different skills than Soaz did) in a situation where it wasn't necessary to do so. I also wanted to highlight the fact that both Pentas were good and we shouldn't compare the two, but if we were to, let's take everything into consideration including the 1 mistake Soaz did make, which ended up not making a difference in the long run.

But you are right with what you said, unlike the reading comprehension deficient that responded after you.

Ale non è maleOct 16, 20152 votes

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I can agree with this. I was looking at it with a more reaction time skill to complete the pentakill and not the top laner role skill that you explained here. I just felt it was unfair to single out balls for skill quality when he did display skill (albiet different skills than Soaz did) in a situation where it wasn't necessary to do so. I also wanted to highlight the fact that both Pentas were good and we shouldn't compare the two, but if we were to,** let's take everything into consideration including the 1 mistake Soaz did make,** which ended up not making a difference in the long run.

But you are right with what you said, unlike the reading comprehension deficient that responded after you.

But sOAZ DID NOT made a mistake there, though, he needed to go with ulti->Q instead of Q-> ulti because even walking those extra 35 range for going for the standard combo would have meant absorbing more damage and dying before completing the combo, or have anyway too little health to survive the entire fight and complete the penta on Jinx. I also think sOAZ was confident on get the double heal on his Q and he couldn't have Q on two people because swordArt was still Zhonya'd if he went for Q-> ulti

Reaction time isn't a problem for most of high level players, even the not pro ones, the thought of what need to be executed in a specific correct order makes the most difference among pros and more in general high level players

Balls penta was "just" an example of perfect flanking upon a perfect play of a mate, sOAZ in his penta tanked the most damage and dealt the more damage and did the most important plays of the entire fight

That's why, imho, as long as you don't downplay what Balls did, it was not disrepectful to say what most people said here, namely that sOAZ play required more skill

SlappybiscuitOct 16, 20151 votes

If what you say is true, and I'll consent that it is, you are sort of saying that Balls in a situation that Soaz was in would have likely had the same result, just as Soaz being in Balls situation would have. In which case, it still seems unnecessary to bring up and criticize the difference of skill in both plays.

Let's look at it another way, Mechanically the Soaz play seems more intensive especially if you are correct with the assertion that Soaz had to use his ult as a gapclose (although viewing it again, he seems like he was already standing on top of him when he used his ult, I mean he even used his Flash to move over there in the first place) Let's say Team coordination-wise, the C9 penta was more skillful and more fluid. But to say C9 used more skill in their team fight than OG in theirs seems ludicrous when the end result is the same.

Ale non è maleOct 16, 20153 votes

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** If what you say is true, and I'll consent that it is, you are sort of saying that Balls in a situation that Soaz was in would have likely had the same result, just as Soaz being in Balls situation would have**. In which case, it still seems unnecessary to bring up and criticize the difference of skill in both plays.

Let's look at it another way, Mechanically the Soaz play seems more insensitive especially if you are correct with the assertion that Soaz had to use his ult as a gapclose (although viewing it, he seems like he already standing on top of him when he used his ult, I mean he used his Flash to move over there in the first place) Let's say Team coordination-wise I the C9 penta was more skillful and more fluid. But to say C9 used more skill in their team fight than OG in theirs seems ludicrous when the end result is the same.

Nope. If Balls would have done the standard play like you suggested in sOAZ situation (since you called sOAZ play a mistake), he wouldn't have likely completed the penta Balls play was mechanically very good following up upon a perfect play made by Incarnati0n. sOAz didn't only had to execute perfectly, but he had to use play pattern different from standard Darius one to achieve the penta, which show even further skill as it show how he was able to adapt on the fly his play pattern to have the optimal result for the team And when did I say he used the ulti to gapclose? I said he needed to dieal the damage in that order to have that result, and to deal damage through Q-> ulti woudl have probably meant to absorb more damage first and heal less later C9 penta was Incarnati0n having a perfect signature Azir ulti, that would have been the focus of Youtube videos and attention if the result of the play was a mere triple kill, followed my a mechanically very good Darius follow-up. OG penta was sOAZ piling up great individual plays while being backed up by his team

Ale non è maleOct 16, 20152 votes

Auto before doing anything else was not an option. He would have needed to walk for like at least half a second, execute the AA and then cast the ability, which means at least 1 additional second of damage taken that sOAZ could not afford with the remaining health he had...also because, at that point also swordARt would have come off Zhonya and he would have faced the damage coming from an extra champ, and maybe (I can't say it for certain, though), Morg could have also had Q available which was a big risk to avoid

Stop with reading things I have not said. sOAZ didn't need Q to stacks, in that situation he needed both the damage and heal without receiving further damage, and doing things in another order he would have gotten worse in one of those condition leading to him to being killed before finishing off the penta

The difference in pro play, more than circumstances, is how a player can read the circumstances and come out with the best possible play. Balls didn't need these awesome reading skills to do the play, which is not his fault clearly, he just needed to execute perfectly; sOAZ needed this skills to perform the penta. That's the point. Not to take anything from Balls - a pentakill is not an easy feat anyway when playing at World level - , but again to give extra credit to sOAZ

Do a comparison here is pretty natural since we saw two pentakills done with the same champ, so underline the differences in their play is legit, imho

SlappybiscuitOct 16, 20152 votes

Ahh I see where you are going with it. I would agree with that assessment. In your opinion would you say Soaz executed the fight perfectly or just well enough to get the job done. I was arguing for the latter, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but earlier I read " he needed to go with ulti->Q instead of Q-> ulti because even walking those extra 35 range for going for the standard combo" so that was why I thought you said that. I see now that you were talking about using the Q for an extra target to heal from which he couldn't if he already killed the target.

I don't think the problem is "yamato had no right to compare the two" but more "yamato made a blanket statement without explaining it" And that's only a problem because he has a history of doing that, and it's gotten tiresome.

Regardless, you have written well thought out and easy to read posts and helped explain somethings I missed, as well as explained the points I misunderstood, so I thank you for that.

Left Hook LarryOct 16, 20152 votes

He's better than me ofc

But I'm not saying I'm better am I? You missed the point entirely

He gets paid a lot to play this game and if he's doing a bad job at it I have the right to criticize him

By your logic no one is allowed to ever say anything bad about any pro player? Soccer player misses open goal ? You can't say shit because he's a pro and you're not

LMFAO use your brain, if you have one

iamleburkOct 18, 20152 votes

Lol you really just brought rank into this. Where did he say he was better than balls? And how in the hell is that relevant? When someone misses a catch in football, you are allowed to say "wtf man i would have even gotten that catch" because that might be true. Getting that penta might have taken no skill. If the entire game was that teamfight, there is a chance you good sub in Savage Bear and do the same thing. The rest of the game, absolutely not, but bringing rank into a discussion about pro players is just dumb and completely irrelevant. "Hey this guy is better than you in this game how dare you say he did something wrong!!!"

RandomoniumOct 18, 20151 votes

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Truth is Balls is a shitty player who just abused a broken champ to get a penta

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Is this really that hard to follow or have IQs dropped sharply while I was gone?

xJLx MCHammerOct 18, 20151 votes

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Is this really that hard to follow or have IQs dropped sharply while I was gone?

No, just certain people can't take a clue. They don't understand the idea behind how to relay a message professionally. Might as well start cursing on air every other word

iamleburkOct 18, 20151 votes

My "cursing every other word" featured a "wtf" in an analogy and a scandalous "how the hell". My point still stands, and you can read the guys response anyway. Calling a pro player shit in no way implies you are better than him, because (if you would take a clue) it is common knowledge to take that in the context of the pro scene, where balls absolutely is shit compared to almost every other top laner at this worlds. In NA, not so much, but on the world stage? absolutely.

Urgonnalearn2dayOct 16, 20154 votes

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Dude, this conversation isn't about Darius. This conversation is about disrespecting pro players. Doesn't matter who he got the pentakill on. The fact of the matter is a professional commentator was bad mouthing a pro on the air. That's just not acceptable.

I guarantee you none of us could have replicated what Balls did in those games. To say all he did was just Q, AA, RRRRRRR shows how little you understand how much work these pros put into the game. Like I said, these guys are the best in the world, they deserve respect not bad mouthing.

I honestly can't believe people are disagreeing with me on this. Who would have thought that giving professional players respect was such a controversial issue.

I hate to break it to you sperglords, but pro players in other sports get disrespected all the time. LeBron James got disrespected for years. Derrick Rose gets disrespected. The Rangers pitcher got disrespected. They made a montage of Tom Brady talking about how he likes his balls on ESPN.

Oh no your favorite player got disrespected. Now take your head out of your ass.

manbearswineOct 16, 20153 votes

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Dude, this conversation isn't about Darius. This conversation is about disrespecting pro players. Doesn't matter who he got the pentakill on. The fact of the matter is a professional commentator was bad mouthing a pro on the air. That's just not acceptable.

See here's the thing,you actually don't give any evidence to support this claim,a pentakill can be done without taking any skill out of the player involved,it's not saying he is a bad player,it's not disrespecting him,it's not saying he played bad,it's just saying "he didn't do anything particularly interesting there",I haven't seen the game or the commentary,but considering it's darius we are talking about I can easily see that as being the case,and you haven't given any evidence to suggest otherwise.

iamleburkOct 18, 20151 votes

Are you serious? Why the hell would someone not be able to criticize other players? Are you the type of kid to get an F on a test then go home crying at the teacher for "disrespecting" you? An analyst is supposed to call out a bad player. That is what an analyst does. If you can't handle it, then don't watch it. I really hope this is some middle school little league shit you are talking about, because the real word doesn't use kiddie gloves, and your gonna have to get used to that.

RandomoniumOct 18, 20151 votes

Its not about criticism, its about respect. Balls gets a penta and Yamato talks trash about it. How many people can claim they've got a penta a worlds and Yamato is trying play it off like anyone can do it. Its not analysis, its biased garbage. Its the type of crap I'd expect to see from a forum troll, not an analyst.

Lol its funny to here you talk about the real world. I've got a 6 figure job and I manage million dollar projects. Bought my first house at 26, got my first masters at 25, and I'm working on a second masters. I'm fine with people bringing up legitimate points but when they bring up nonsense that is designed to just demean another person I take offense to that, most people in the "real" world do.

iamleburkOct 18, 20151 votes

Yamato was making a point that Soaz's penta was more skillful than Balls', so it was more of a respect to Soaz than a disrespect to balls. He wasn't criticizing balls at all actually, he was just pointing out that the particular pentakill wasn't very impressive to him. I think the main difference here is whether you actually consider Yamato's comments in good taste. It was a good comparison, two different darius pentakills, and he was pointing out how Soaz should be respected for getting those pentakills. Maybe he was implying that Soaz deserves more respect for his pentakill than balls does for his, but that is an implication he is entirely allowed to make without being in poor taste.

And i made this point somewhere else, but it is possible that "anyone" could pull off that pentakill if they were to play for balls those couple of seconds. If that was his point, then it is entirely legitimate that the particular play could have been executed by a lower skill player and perhaps wasn't the same display of skill in Yamato's play.

Also, im going to respond to your other comment from here; Calling balls a shitty player should be considered in the context of the pro scene. Balls can deffinitely be considered shitty when compared to the other people at the tournament or even the other players in his region. The same way me calling Tim Tebow a shitty quarterback doesn't imply i think i would do better in his position.

RandomoniumOct 18, 20151 votes

In my opinion it wasn't in good taste. I'm just getting so sick and tired of people bashing people unnecessarily. Its bad enough when the players do it but when commentators do it I feel embarrassed to be associated with this game.

See, you use the Tebow analogy but that stuff bugs the crap out of me too. I hate people who are freaking armchair quarterbacks calling pros shit. I never understood judging a person by a different standard than you judge yourself. Its just freaking hypocritical.

iamleburkOct 18, 20151 votes

But he wasn't really bashing him, and it isn't hypocritical at all.

Players need their trash talk, it makes it a little interesting. Febiven called Pawn overrated, is that a bad thing? No. Players and people are allowed to speak their minds if what they believe is true. Monte called Pawn overrated. Is that a bad thing? No, he said what he thinks and is allowed to criticize a player for their flaws. Yamato's "bashing" was a comparison, one that was more to credit soaz than to discredit balls.

Monte barely plays the game, should he now not be able to criticize anyone? Should we just completely disregard his analysis now? Calling a quarterback shit is not hypocritical, you just don't understand the context. It is supposed to be taken in the context of the professional league, or in this case in the context of the Worlds stage. And me calling someone shit in no way implies that im better than them, it isn't hypocritical because they are getting paid to be significantly better than me, so obviously they are going to be better. But they also make mistakes, and some players are better than others, should we just not rate players anymore? Should we pretend that Balls=Soaz in skill so that no one gets their feelings hurt?

The Bíg TicketOct 15, 201515 votes

Except that he was right lol but everyone knows Darius is broken.

RandomoniumOct 15, 20156 votes

See this is the problem with this community. He wasn't "right." It was an opinion based comment with no factual backing. Getting a pentakill at worlds is an amazing achievement and to have a COMMENTATOR demean a pro for getting one is absolutely sickening.

Darius has a 56% win rate and a 2.52 KDA at worlds. How exactly is that broken? There are a ridiculous amount of champions with higher win rates and higher KDAs at worlds than him.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/2015_World_Championship/Champion_Statistics

The Bíg TicketOct 15, 20158 votes

Of course he was right, Soaz actually played it perfectly, Balls just cleaned up everything. Darius is broken as hell, there is only 1 champ that has been picked as often as Darius and has a higher winrate (Elise). In fact no other champ that has been picked more than 11 times this worlds has a higher winrate than Darius who is the mostpicked champ along with Elise...on top of that he is also CONSTANTLY FIRSTPICKED BLIND in the first rotation so he plays half of his lanes vs "counter-matchups".

KDA never meant anything lol.

RandomoniumOct 16, 20153 votes

Pick rate doesn't mean anything, what matters is pick AND ban rate. In that regard Darius sits at #5. He's obviously strong but definitely not broken based on his win rate and KDA.

Both pentakills were amazing, I have no idea why people think SoaZ is a God because of it and Balls is trash. Even if Balls is the worst top laner at worlds that still puts him in the top 20 in the world. I think that's pretty amazing. Millions of people playing top lane and he's in the top 20. He deserves respect, not trash talk from commentators and forum trolls.

Same shit bugged the crap out of me when Dyrus retired. The dude is a legend in the sport and people treat him like crap. Name another sport that treats its pros and legends this way. This is a problem with OUR community that we should fix, not defend.

The Bíg TicketOct 16, 20156 votes

No one said Balls is trash...just saying he didn't do anything but c lean up for his pentakill...pls, Balls is a proven toplaner who has been to 3 world championships, anyone who thinks he is trash doesnt know the game. But there is no denying the fact that Darius is broken at the moment, he is picked in the first rotation every single game and still has a very high winrate..he basically only plays counter matchups and still manages to win 56% of his games.

CroaninOct 16, 20153 votes

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No one said Balls is trash...just saying he didn't do anything but c lean up for his pentakill...pls, Balls is a proven toplaner who has been to 3 world championships, anyone who thinks he is trash doesnt know the game. But there is no denying the fact that Darius is broken at the moment, he is picked in the first rotation every single game and still has a very high winrate..he basically only plays counter matchups and still manages to win 56% of his games.

Wouldnt call Darius broken he needs to be retuned, way to punishing for melee both in lane and more importantly teamfights.

And I disagree with OP, Soaz's Pentakill while less exciting was far more impressive. Ball's Pentakill came in a clean 5v5 where someone squishy like Yasuo and a low econ jungler has to walk into a Tristana and Azir in a choke point, it was easy Dunks for Balls.

The Soaz penta was a far messier fight, where he was targeted and had to use his Q to keep himself alive. He had to improvise when SwordArt Zhonya'd his 3rd Dunk.

RandomoniumOct 16, 20151 votes

Actually quite a few people are saying Balls is trash (especially in this post if you read the other comments.) Yamato pretty much said anyone could have done what Balls did.

Darius is absolutely strong, I don't think there is enough evidence to say he's broken though. He gets absolutely wrecked in some matchups. Even on champion.gg he only has a 51.05% win rate. I think a better way to describe him is a champion with very strong strengths and very exploitable weaknesses.

LankPantsOct 16, 20154 votes

Yamato pretty much said anyone could have done what Balls did.

Any other top laner at that tournament would have pulled that off in the same situation bar maybe Dyrus and Warlock.

Actually quite a few people are saying Balls is trash

Trash may be a bit strong of a word, but well bellow the standard of the tournament is fair. He's definitely a bottom 4 top laner at worlds, he might even be the weakest non wild card top laner.

I don't think there is enough evidence to say he's broken though.

He's got one of the highest pick rates at worlds with a very good win rate, what evidence do you want?

C9 Scott Free Oct 16, 20152 votes

But the same could be said for Soaz. The dude teleported into Baron basically guaranteeing a free kill to set Darius up. Pretty sure they gave him the first kill cuz Noxian might going off in a fight is one of the best things a team with Darius on it can have happen to them

Gaxx DOct 16, 201510 votes

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Yamato is one of my favorite commentators but I was really disappointed when Yamato slammed Balls during the highlight of SoaZ's pentakill on Darius saying that Balls' pentakill didn't require any skill. That's the kind of crap I expect from trolls on the forums, not a paid commentator. What made things even worse is that none of the commentators corrected him, instead they agreed with him. It really is kind of disgusting and shows the toxic underbelly of this community. That kind of blatant disrespect for a professional wouldn't be tolerated in any other sport. Can you imagine a football commentator saying that a wide receiver making a one handed grab in the endzone didn't require any skill? Or a basketball commentator saying a long three point at the buzzer didn't require any skill? He'd be pulled from the broadcast before he could even finish his sentence.

Its really sickening to see how a lot of these professional players are treated. These guys are some of the best in the world and they get more disrespect than bronze players.

Okay, what really is sickening is the fact, that this community turned into a bunch of oversensitive, crying brats, whenever someone says something they don't like (which in almost every case is AN OPINION). Not only what Yamato said doesn't affect you in any way (yet for whatever reason you're feeling offended), you also lied about what he said. Yamato said (and that's the exact quote): "To be fair, I think this one required more mechanical skill than the one Balls did". And then Spawn added "this one required his entire kit". In no way Yamato said "Balls penta required no skill". Stop crying on forums about something you yourself blew out of proportion after you put words that were never said, into someone's mouth.

RandomoniumOct 16, 20153 votes

If you're going to quote him you should at least quote the whole discussion, not just key points. He started off by saying that all you need to do is smash your face into a keyboard to get a pentakill on Darius. If that's not saying it doesn't take any skill then I don't know what is.

What bothers me is that people don't talk like this in real life to someone's face. They only are disrespectful like this when they have a microphone or a computer screen to hide behind. If you act like that then you are a coward, plain and simple. When they do one on one interviews with the players they always act so nice and respectful to them but when the pros aren't there they bad mouth them. That's what's disgusting, they are cowardly and two-faced.

Gaxx DOct 16, 20155 votes

And he was refering to Darius being a broken champion as of now, and in case you don't realize, the fact that he's so contested during this tournaments proves it. So let's summarize it - Yamato says, that Darius is a broken champion which kills people by facerolling your head over the keyboard. He then says, that in his opinion Soaz's pentakill required more mechanical skill, than that of Balls, and Spawn agrees with him, saying that Soaz actually had to use his entire kit for this. Your reaction? "Yamato disrespect Balls for saying he has no skill". WHAT THE F UCK

What are you? An idiot? An attention whore (doesn't exclude you from being an idiot)? Or a troll who managed to fool quite a bunch of people? There is no other choice here, pick.

FacyOct 15, 20159 votes

watch both again, Yamato is just 100% correct and also take in consideration at which times of the games it happend. Why are people butthurt about the truth i dont get it...

RandomoniumOct 16, 20153 votes

Saying that a pro has no skill is not correct. I don't care who you are you shouldn't be treating a pro like they suck, which is what Yamato was doing. The play that SoaZ made was great, why not talk about that rather than disrespect Balls. There's no reason to do it.

FacyOct 16, 20155 votes

Are u a woman? He has not said Balls suck... he said that Soaz penta actually needed mechanical skills to pull of and balls penta was just basicly given to him without needing to do much.

I mean where on earth is that disrespectful? Its just 100% true. Watch both again and tell me which penta actually needed some mechanical skills and which 1 was a lot less on the darius but more on his team?

FórsaOct 16, 20158 votes

Really why you so sissy ? It really is kind of disgusting and shows the touchiness of this community. I mean like omg he said bad thing i must go on boards and cry like teenage girl.

KayleeTOct 15, 20155 votes

Do you know measures of dispersion such as standard deviation and range? Then you'd know the more picked a champion is he should be closer to 50% win/loss. His kit includes resets which literally means that if you get 1 kill you can clean them all up

RandomoniumOct 16, 20152 votes

Only if the champion is actually balanced will they go to 50%, which kind of proves my point. 56% win rate at 32 games is well within the margin of error for the sample size. And the fact that he was banned far less than other champions shows that the pros don't value him as highly as champions like Gankgplank and Mordekaiser.

But this really isn't about whether or not Darius is OP. This is about how the pros should be treated by commentators and members of the community. You're missing the bigger point.

Left Hook LarryOct 16, 20154 votes

You said that 32 games isn't a good sample size, yet you compared him to GP who had only 4 games? Bronzie4life

SuperJediNinjaOct 16, 20155 votes

Have you seen MONTE

LankPantsOct 16, 20152 votes

Do you have a vid of it? I'd be interested in seeing exactly what he said.

RandomoniumOct 16, 20154 votes

Pretty sure you can find it in the VODs on the world site at the end of game 4. I just don't understand why he would even bring up Balls or try to compare the pentakills. What's the point?

LankPantsOct 16, 20156 votes

He didn't say Balls's took no skill, he said that Soaz's took more, which is true. Unlike Balls Soaz wasn't fed the kills by his team, he was also already hurt by Baron, which made it harder.

why he would even bring up Balls or try to compare the pentakills.

Comparative analysis. Commentators need to be able to compare things, even if it makes one player look not as good. Should we just give C9 a gold star for effort?