How good is Jensen?

Lugg·Jul 9, 2016·2 votes·2,502 views

Personally, I think he might be the best player in the world right now. His mechanics and game sense this season have been pretty insane.

I'm interested to hear what you guys think of his game play and where he ranks worldwide.

21 Comments

Miror BJul 9, 20161 votes

Including LCK? As someone who watches NA/LCK/LPL/EU very heavily, I wouldn't actually rank him anywhere near my top-10 best players in the world, and wouldn't exactly rank him as the best mid-laner in NA right now (with pobelter having a massive "carry resurgance" and bjerg continuing to do stuff). I'll put down my list of the "best players in the world" right now, feel free to disagree:

-Biofrost (9.8KDA right now, also arguably the biggest reason why TSM is doing so well right now) -Bjerg/Pobelter (best mid-laners in NA right now, former is on pace to have more than 150 kills this season whereas latter is overperforming and making up for Huni/Reignover's slow season) -Doublelift (best ADC in NA right now, on pace for the highest DPM of his career)

LCK

-Bang/Wolf (arguably been the best players on a "loaded" SKT lineup, are making up for Duke/Faker's abysmal season) -Score/Fly (one of the biggest reasons why KT is at the top of the tables)

LPL

-Clearlove (without question my "vote" for best player in the world right now, watch him play and you'll be inspired heavily to play jg, as he makes the most incredible outplays look scarily simple and is on pace to have a "record year" for jg's across the globe)

LuggJul 9, 20161 votes

I think Jensen is definitely better than Pobelter right now. Their stats are pretty equal despite the fact that Jensen isn't on as good a team. Bjerg has the best KDA in NA by a wide margin, but that is because he can't be focused anymore since every lane on TSM is strong. Jensen gets focused WAY harder than Bjerg or Pobelter yet still beats them in Damage and CS per min. One on one, I think Jensen can take either of them. Plus Jensen is leading NA in kills right now.

Biofrost is probably the MVP in NA. He is more valuable to his team, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is better than Jensen. And let's face it, Doublelift is doing so great because of Biofrost. His season wouldn't be near as good without Biofrost.

I can't believe you think Faker is having a bad season. This is probably his best season since his first. He is probably the best mid in Korea right now. Fly is good, but Faker is definitely better IMHO. Bang is probably the best player on SKT but he definitely gets boosted by Wolf and vice versa. Score is good, but I wouldn't rate him ahead of Jensen.

You could probably swap Jensen with any mid and their team would do just as good if not better. That's why he needs to at least be considered as one of the best players.

Miror BJul 10, 20161 votes

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I think Jensen is definitely better than Pobelter right now. Their stats are pretty equal despite the fact that Jensen isn't on as good a team. Bjerg has the best KDA in NA by a wide margin, but that is because he can't be focused anymore since every lane on TSM is strong. Jensen gets focused WAY harder than Bjerg or Pobelter yet still beats them in Damage and CS per min. One on one, I think Jensen can take either of them. Plus Jensen is leading NA in kills right now.

Biofrost is probably the MVP in NA. He is more valuable to his team, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is better than Jensen. And let's face it, Doublelift is doing so great because of Biofrost. His season wouldn't be near as good without Biofrost.

I can't believe you think Faker is having a bad season. This is probably his best season since his first. He is probably the best mid in Korea right now. Fly is good, but Faker is definitely better IMHO. Bang is probably the best player on SKT but he definitely gets boosted by Wolf and vice versa. Score is good, but I wouldn't rate him ahead of Jensen.

You could probably swap Jensen with any mid and their team would do just as good if not better. That's why he needs to at least be considered as one of the best players.

Pretty sure you contradicted yourself multiple times, I'll go through them all:

-TSM being a good team right now doesn't suddenly "demolish" the accomplishments of their solo players. Bjerg has half as many deaths and more kill contributions than jensen right now, with all of this happening in 3 fewer games. Unless you want to argue that bjerg will go 0-29 in his next 3 games, then Bjerg is statistically > than Jensen is right now. Same can be said for DL/Biofrost, especially the latter as he was the only player "swapped" and TSM is on pace to finish with 30% more wins than spring assuming they eventually lose a few to a couple of the other "top teams".

-Should've probably rephrased that a bit: Faker's having an "inconsistent" season. While he does show some flashes of brilliance, Bang/Wolf have realistically been the dominant force on SKT which has caused much of the LCK's junglers to focus them more than other botlanes. The fact SKT is third right now despite Faker not being as consistent as usual (remember the 0-5 LB game? ) has everything to do with their absurdly good botlane, and not the Mid/Top laners who are getting tons of freedom off of it.

-Still no real "counter-argument" to Clearlove being best in the world, would highly reccomend checking him out.

If we're talking best player in the world, there are a bunch above Jensen. If we're talking best player on a relatively average team, then there's definitely a bunch above Jensen (especially in EU, where every team barring G2 looks to be pretty average right now).

LuggJul 10, 20161 votes

Being on a great team definitely inflates your numbers. It's just silly to argue that point. Do you really think that if you swapped Jensen that Bjerg and Pobelter would be putting up anywhere near the numbers they are now? Just watch Jensen's Viktor play lately and try to tell me that he isn't insanely good. This is from someone until this season proclaimed Bjerg the best mid in NA. Bjerg dies way less because he has a better jungler and support who keep the map warded allowing him to be safe. Plus he isn't near as focused as Jensen is.

Sorry I left off my remarks about Clearlove. I was mainly talking about mids worldwide since (on average) the best mids are the best players. However, I do have to put Clearlove in his own bracket. IMHO, jungler is the hardest role in the game. You have to control objectives, do vision control, and pressure lanes all while keeping up your farm and experience. Clearlove excels at all of these. Indeed, if you were building a team from scratch, he would be a great first pick since he is great at jungling and makes the rest of his team better.

While Jensen may not be the best in the world, he is definitely in the conversation at this point.

Miror BJul 10, 20161 votes

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Being on a great team definitely inflates your numbers. It's just silly to argue that point. Do you really think that if you swapped Jensen that Bjerg and Pobelter would be putting up anywhere near the numbers they are now? Just watch Jensen's Viktor play lately and try to tell me that he isn't insanely good. This is from someone until this season proclaimed Bjerg the best mid in NA. Bjerg dies way less because he has a better jungler and support who keep the map warded allowing him to be safe. Plus he isn't near as focused as Jensen is.

Sorry I left off my remarks about Clearlove. I was mainly talking about mids worldwide since (on average) the best mids are the best players. However, I do have to put Clearlove in his own bracket. IMHO, jungler is the hardest role in the game. You have to control objectives, do vision control, and pressure lanes all while keeping up your farm and experience. Clearlove excels at all of these. Indeed, if you were building a team from scratch, he would be a great first pick since he is great at jungling and makes the rest of his team better.

While Jensen may not be the best in the world, he is definitely in the conversation at this point.

Jensen is a decent player on an average team. If we're talking "best in the world" though, then he's far from it. Bjerg has put up roughly similar numbers for longer than Jensen's been around, making him the best midlaner in NA right now (with pobelter being in 2nd due to him "picking up the slack" of a deflating huni/reignover combo). The whole "Jensen is focused more so he has more deaths" comment is also pretty off, as Impact has actually been focused more than he has and has suffered harder because of it. Wouldn't put Jensen anywhere near "best in the world" right now, as even on C9 Sneaky is better at his role than Jensen is at his and (if we're including subs) Hai brings a lot more to a team than Jensen can.

LuggJul 10, 20161 votes

Saying Jensen is decent is like saying Faker is ok. Just watch his matches from this weekend alone. Bjerg is a great player for sure, but Jensen has beaten him pretty handily this season when they play each other. I don't hear anyone not saying Bjerg isn't one of the top ten mids in the world.

Deflating Huni and Reignover? Not sure where you are getting that idea. Huni's only weakness is that he gets lazy some games, but just watch the game yesterday where he played Hecarim top and tell me he isn't one of the best 3 tops in the world. He made it look like he was playing against Bronze noobs. Reignover is probably the best jungler in NA.

Not sure that Sneaky is better at his role than Jensen. Comparing different roles is always hard to do. Saying Hai brings more is pretty funny since Jensen is starting and Hai is warming the bench.

Miror BJul 10, 20161 votes

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**Hai is warming the bench. **

Yeah, the instant you said that I knew you had no idea what you were talking about and are instead just a Jensen fan with way too much time on his hands...

LuggJul 10, 20161 votes

You just made a very stupid assumption. With the emphasis on the ASS.

Hai is a great shot caller, but his play isn't up to par, that's why he is benched.

KotexJul 9, 20161 votes

If i said i liked Jensen at all i would lying. Im not denying his skill but if someone is toxic regularly by choice, that is simply the kind of person that they are. Jensen was a very toxic player before he signed professionally and he would continue to be "that kind" of player if he werent marketed and contractually obligated to behave. He's not "reformed" he's just paying the cost to do business so to speak. That cost is to refrain from being the asshole that he inherently wants to be.

Thats just what i think of him.

LuggJul 9, 20161 votes

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you about personality. However, that doesn't change the fact that his game is amazing. The exact same can be said for FORG1VEN.

BídoofJul 10, 20161 votes

I'd say he is the top 3 mid laner in NA

In the world maybe top 12?

His mecahnics are good but his decision making can be pretty bad sometimes. He is like a discount bjerson in my opinion

LuggJul 10, 20161 votes

Mechanically, I think he may actually better than Bjerg. As for the shot calling, I agree with you but he should get much better since he only has half the experience of the other great mids.

III BAKURYU III Jul 10, 20161 votes

I don't know about "best player in the world"-Lugg but to each our own. #Respect that, but I don't think he would be in the top 30 personally myself. Like BIDOFF said "his decision making can be pretty bad sometimes" nail on the head on that one with my thoughts as well. He dies in some of the most mind blowing ways that I thought wasn't possible.
He was also once a toxic banned player in solo Q so even if he has grown from that stage, bad habits can still make their way back and if he was toxic in solo q games imagine on stage when his team might be down 0-10 or if he is 0-7.

However when he joined C9 he became a star overnight and had some great games and outplays, however its a 2 way street with him, A. He Joined C9 which at the point of joining was already a powerhouse team in NA for years with Hai-Sneaky-Lemon-Balls-Meteos-Bunny-Rush etc.
B. With Hai/Meteos that took shot calling pressure off him, which can make or break young stars. In which they have to be a star and call plays for everyone and that isn't the best for a player that has to carry games but like I said he already he had a stable team and foundation to start from.
C. He will become a veteran for NA in the next split or two, which means he will be looked at from other teams to find his weakness and breaking points at that point will be easier to find. When he first joined he was a rookie and teams had a hard time preparing for him and to study his habits as he was a rookie but now that he has 2 splits under his belt its much easier.

Overall Jensen is a great player and mid laner but he isn't the best in the world or in NA. Great post and Have a Good One

anonymous119Jul 10, 20162 votes

However when he joined C9 he became a star overnight and had some great games and outplays, however its a 2 way street with him, A. He Joined C9 which at the point of joining was already a powerhouse team in NA for years with Hai-Sneaky-Lemon-Balls-Meteos-Bunny-Rush etc.

He joined the top 1st/2nd placed team and took them down to 9th place. He had one of the worst debuts of any pro player that wasn't eventually replaced. Eventually he showed to be a really good player, but to call him an overnight star is just flat out wrong.

III BAKURYU III Jul 10, 20161 votes

What I meant by "overnight star" was he had great potential to start. The first game all I heard was how good he was over and over and how he was BJergsen 2.0. I personally don't care much about Jensen as I think he is a decent player(DECENT among other pros - not compared to my S4 butt).

Indeed I also just don't understand the whole Jensen and C9 thing. C9 Balls-Meteos-Hai-Sneaky-Lemon. Hai retired because of health issues. ( I think it was really meteos and Hai not getting along with each other calls in game) Lemon retires but to only join with Hai and Balls on the challenger team.

Ok so they brought in Jensen to replace Hai, they do bad so they replace Meteos for Hai and do ok- gauntlet and worlds,

Hai leaves again- retires( ..........makes a challenger team to get back into the lcs) so that means he still can play with health issues.

If Hai retires to only play again and leaves again and with C9 doing bad in 1 split in which they still made it to the NA Finals why not just get the OLD C9 back you know the team that just could not be beat in NA for 2 years straight and made it to the NA Finals for 4 splits in a row.

noname9888Jul 10, 20161 votes

who the fuck is jensen ?

THE KILLER GUYJul 12, 20161 votes

Not even best player in NA. Top 5 definitely. But top 5 individual players in the world are all in Korea, Faker still being undisputed #1 player in the world.

LuggJul 12, 20161 votes

About the only thing holding back Jensen now is better decision making. When he is "in the zone" there really isn't anyone who can hang with him.

Faker being the best is indeed disputed. Clearlove is probably the best right now, there isn't anyone close to him in the jungle.

THE KILLER GUYJul 12, 20161 votes

Bjergsen can't hang with Jensen? That's... interesting...

Also there's just a lot of weak NA mids right now. Not saying Jensen wouldn't do well internationally, as I personally think he would. However, there are mids in NA that could certainly hang with Jensen. Internationally, there are even more mids that could hang with Jensen.

Same thing with Clearlove. The competition in the LPL right now is abysmal. He's been the best jungler in China since he started there, but he also has little to show for it on an international level. Faker is the best mid in the region with the highest level of play and competition. He's been the best player in League since season 3 and he proves it every time it matters (playoffs, championships, international stage).

LuggJul 12, 20161 votes

Bjerg has had trouble with Jensen this season when they have been head to head. He usually has to roam to get ahead.

As for quality of mids, I think this may be the strongest NA has ever been. There are several really good ones. I happy about that since it will make it easier for NA to compete internationally this year.

I agree that Clearlove needs better competition to be ready for post season. Faker has looked great again this season. IMHO, he had dropped off some the last season or two. Mechanically there are several players on his level, it's his experience and game sense that now allow him to beat people.

THE KILLER GUYJul 12, 20161 votes

I don't think it's fair to say that Bjerg HAS to roam to get ahead. More so, he DOES roam to get his TEAM ahead. Mind you, this is one of many qualities that separates good mid laners from great mid laners.

Fenix, Bjerg, Jensen, and Pobelter are great mid laners. The rest of NA mid laners are pretty weak. GBM would be much better IMO if he stopped trying champs of his own niche and started playing true carries in a mid-centric meta.

Again, there are multiple qualities that make a player great. Experience and game sense are two of those things. [Faker] has certainly NOT dropped off skillwise in the past two seasons. You may think that because during the times that he made his debut and won Season 3 worlds, the mid meta was VERY focused on flashy, high-burst assassins. Since then, we've seen more control mages and naturally a slight drop in flashy plays. If you listen to experts such as MonteCristo, for example, he has on multiple occasions over the past year insisted that Faker has consistently been at his best since his debut. There are some runner-ups, of course, such as ROX Smeb, but Faker puts those questions to rest every time a playoff, championship, or international tournament takes place.