C9 Simply Doesn't Care

IncrediPhiLL·Jun 30, 2017·4 votes·896 views

I think it's pretty obvious that C9 doesn't care about the summer/spring split. I think it's understood that TSM will win every single split from this point on as long as they are the core fanbase of the league. I think C9 just simply waddles into worlds (because no one can stop them from getting there) and just turns it on and outperforms every NA team. I don't think it's a coincidence that C9 continually loses splits and still shows up as the best NA team at worlds. They easily move from the gauntlet to get there if they must.

They seem to have a mentality during the splits of "whatever." As a C9 fan, that has become my mentality too. We know TSM can't lose a split, but we know we'll show up at worlds. Listening to C9 players talk about Splits in interviews and in their streams, they simply don't seem to care.

Reaper's coaching style definitely has an I Don't Care mentality. His sub choices and his demeanor in the C9 series videos is very passive. I think he has the team playing for worlds... not for splits. Hide the true talents until the world's stage. It's an interesting strategy.

14 Comments

ChompyWulfJul 1, 20173 votes

OP is forgetting Worlds two years ago, when C9 only had to win ONE GAME to turn their 3-0 record into 4-3 and advance from groups, instead dropping 4 games in one day and completing an NA embarrassment when all three NA teams had fantastic chances to get out of groups, all three failing on gauntlet day. That's the NA team that always outperforms at Worlds? Seriously hope TSM and C9 continue to flip flop and IMT and DIG redeem a region constantly suffering TSM and C9 hype turning inexorably into disappointment.

xJLx MCHammerJul 1, 20171 votes

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OP is forgetting Worlds two years ago, when C9 only had to win ONE GAME to turn their 3-0 record into 4-3 and advance from groups, instead dropping 4 games in one day and completing an NA embarrassment when all three NA teams had fantastic chances to get out of groups, all three failing on gauntlet day. That's the NA team that always outperforms at Worlds? Seriously hope TSM and C9 continue to flip flop and IMT and DIG redeem a region constantly suffering TSM and C9 hype turning inexorably into disappointment.

Yes because as bad as C9 did that year, they were one of the weakest teams out of NA

Lets not forget, TSM wont the split that year. Meanwhile C9 was one game away from auto regulation. They battle through the gauntlet in 2 reverse sweeps to steal the 3rd spot. They had a pretty difficult group and most analyst had them at #3 or #4. TSM on the other hand was predicted to be #1 or 2 in their group.

ChompyWulfJul 1, 20171 votes

TSM never should have been predicted #1 in a bracket with a Korean team and if anyone did they are on some good hallucinogens. Meanwhile, C9 had #1 EU Fnatic, #1 of the new LPL league which had shaky expectations and results, and #3 China. Mind you, C9 SWEPT their group over the spread games, and only needed ONE MORE game of 4. One game from a China team who has been of no major international note, and an LPL team that much like C9 gets hype and falls flat. I don't care about the splits before, their comeback from near relegation should only bolster the fact they were getting hot and playing great but couldn't even get a 25% winerate on one day. That is arguably the most embarrassing NA international performance ever, right there with a 1-5 record by TSM when the only worse team in groups was a winless Bangkok Titans.

IncrediPhiLLJul 1, 20171 votes

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TSM never should have been predicted #1 in a bracket with a Korean team and if anyone did they are on some good hallucinogens. Meanwhile, C9 had #1 EU Fnatic, #1 of the new LPL league which had shaky expectations and results, and #3 China. Mind you, C9 SWEPT their group over the spread games, and only needed ONE MORE game of 4. One game from a China team who has been of no major international note, and an LPL team that much like C9 gets hype and falls flat. I don't care about the splits before, their comeback from near relegation should only bolster the fact they were getting hot and playing great but couldn't even get a 25% winerate on one day. That is arguably the most embarrassing NA international performance ever, right there with a 1-5 record by TSM when the only worse team in groups was a winless Bangkok Titans.

Regardless of how you feel about it or look at it; they have still outperformed every NA team at the last 2 worlds... period.

ChompyWulfJul 1, 20172 votes

Logging just one win more than CLG the year all three NA teams were eliminated in the group stage in 2015, and having the luck to have the weakest group where their 3-3 record (same record as TSM and CLG mind you) got them a knockout birth, only to get blown out 3-0 immediately is not putting up any kind of notable performance worth separating from the rest of the NA Worlds teams. C9 should be focusing on their split play and not looking toward Worlds. Instead of saying "this doesn't matter" they should be saying "this is how we practice and improve to prepare"

IncrediPhiLLJul 1, 20171 votes

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Logging just one win more than CLG the year all three NA teams were eliminated in the group stage in 2015, and having the luck to have the weakest group where their 3-3 record (same record as TSM and CLG mind you) got them a knockout birth, only to get blown out 3-0 immediately is not putting up any kind of notable performance worth separating from the rest of the NA Worlds teams. C9 should be focusing on their split play and not looking toward Worlds. Instead of saying "this doesn't matter" they should be saying "this is how we practice and improve to prepare"

I think C9 would rather hide their true skill and strategies than show them at splits. Take a look at worlds 2 years ago when they suddenly pulled out the Trist/Veigar siege comp and threw everyone for a loop. I don't think Splits help these teams practice internationally. If that were the case, then TSM would have international succes. I think hiding your strategies until international game time is more effective... and C9 seems to know that.

xJLx MCHammerJul 1, 20173 votes

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I think C9 would rather hide their true skill and strategies than show them at splits. Take a look at worlds 2 years ago when they suddenly pulled out the Trist/Veigar siege comp and threw everyone for a loop. I don't think Splits help these teams practice internationally. If that were the case, then TSM would have international succes. I think hiding your strategies until international game time is more effective... and C9 seems to know that.

C9 doesn't do that crap. There is nothing to hide. What is meta is normally what is played. You can pull out a decent surprise pick or comp but there are like 1, maybe 2 times you can do that before teams start to pick up on it. This is what NA did in Worlds back in 2014. Week 1, every NA team (besides NA) were surprising teams with the tristana hard push strategy. By week 2, not one NA team was able to pick up one victory using that strategy .

ChompyWulfJul 1, 20171 votes

Clearly if they were hiding any strategy the last two years it didn't help them whatsoever. They should be working to evolve multiple levels of play and flexibility, especially since its not like they know all summer what patch will be used for Worlds play and what the game balance will be like.

No matter what you try to say, treating the Split like its no big deal and saying they are only plotting and looking to Worlds shows a horrific arrogance and lack of strong work ethic which only underlines the past weaknesses of NA as a region.

BigBellBruteJul 1, 20171 votes

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Logging just one win more than CLG the year all three NA teams were eliminated in the group stage in 2015, and having the luck to have the weakest group where their 3-3 record (same record as TSM and CLG mind you) got them a knockout birth, only to get blown out 3-0 immediately is not putting up any kind of notable performance worth separating from the rest of the NA Worlds teams. C9 should be focusing on their split play and not looking toward Worlds. Instead of saying "this doesn't matter" they should be saying "this is how we practice and improve to prepare"

Weakest group? Now you're just being silly. H2k's group was the weakest by far. Further C9 had SKT in their group....AS A SECOND SEED!!! They also didn't get either wild card in their group or Splyce, who was in TSM's group. So stop with the BS that they had the weakest group. They didn't.

ChompyWulfJul 1, 20172 votes

Yes, they were in same group as SKT. Look beyond names. In Group B at the end, there was only 1 winning record, with C9 with even W/L and two losing records. Group C, which you claim was weakest, ended with two teams above .500, one even, and only one losing record.

There is a definitive point when seeds and where teams come from doesn't matter and their play does. Group C looks weak by seeds and region, but overall it was very good competition. Group B was basically C9 limping behind SKT only because two others were even worse. So which group was really weaker?

KazaLyn ShaoJun 30, 20172 votes

They can always count on Sven cucking every match. He cucked game 1, but Bjerg carried. Cucked their lead away in game 2 when he died to that failed Gragas gank. That sent TSM down the toilet. No one can carry that many cucks.

IncrediPhiLLJun 30, 20171 votes

You hear Sven saying "I think we'll win it easily."?

Like... dude... you and Hauntzer are the only reason TSM isn't undefeated. Stop acting like you're good.

KazaLyn ShaoJul 1, 20171 votes

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You hear Sven saying "I think we'll win it easily."?

Like... dude... you and Hauntzer are the only reason TSM isn't undefeated. Stop acting like you're good.

Sven is the cuckiest cuck that ever cucked. Did you see how hard he threw their 4k gold lead in game 2?