A Wild Idea About Worlds

IncrediPhiLL·Aug 22, 2019·2 votes·2,916 views

Before i go into this: YES, I'm a Western fanboy.

Now, is it possible that the 4 top teams in the entire world come from NA and EU?

I firmly believe that G2 is the best team in the world right now. They proved it at MSI and have continually proved it during their split. I also firmly believe that TL is a top 4 team after their MSI performance and their split performance.

With that being said, and the more I watch from other regions, I genuinely believe that C9 is a top 4 team and I think it's entirely possible that Fnatic could be the fourth best team in the world. This past MSI had global implications and the more I watch Korea and China, the more I am just unimpressed with their gameplay.

I really do think it's not too far from the truth to say that the top 4 teams in the world come from NA and EU.

7 Comments

GeminiRuneAug 22, 20191 votes

Well...by fact and results based analysis: we had 3. Therefore, it's not out of the realm of possibilities

III BAKURYU III Aug 22, 20191 votes

With the elimination of wards, methodical play(hence why the LCK has been garbage) and the recent elimination of slow paced styles and tanks(hence why the LPL won Worlds and is still in my opinion, the best region), less gold for anything and everything - we've come to the conclusion that any team can beat the other.

We also have to remember that Korea has Pool 2 Seeds for Worlds! Which means either NA's or EU's #1 Seed will be placed in a group with the LCK's #1 Seed + also LPL's #2 Seed..... Remember last year with Team Liquid and how TL was already eliminated before they faced Edward Gaming? It's going to be like that for Western teams......and for NA....each year it's up to Cloud 9.

Korea is slowly but surely coming around the mountain with the fast paced, no brain, dmg, fight-fight-fight meta/style that ~~League~~ of Mortal Kombat ~~Legends~~ has become. Wouldn't be surprised if Damwon makes it to Worlds this year that they win the whole thing.

I don't think Team Liquid is a top 4 team in the World. I would place Splyce in the Top 4 best teams in the World before I'd place Team Liquid there.
Are we suppose to bend it over and s$ck the D of Liquid because they beat IG at MSI? Great win and overall it was competitive but no! D-Lift teams on the International stage is 1 win and 9 losses against Korean teams.... 0-2 against ROX 2015 Worlds 1-1 against SSG 2016 Worlds 0-2 against KT 2018 Worlds 0-2 against KZD 2018 MSI 0-2 against SKT 2019 MSI and like I said before........ Korea's #1(Griffin and or) or #2 Seed( SK Telecom T1)(examples) will be Team Liquid's Group at Worlds. NA has a hard problem with International teams(Evos Gaming, Pain Gaming, Supermassive, Albus Nox Luna.

We are taking MSI a bit too far with NA.... Anyone remember 2016? Remember when NA was placed on a mountain and how EU made it further than NA at Worlds after the hype of 2016 MSI with CLG? Anyone remember how "bad" 2017 EU looked at Rift Rivals and how FNC went from 0-4 in groups to 4-4 and making it out of groups? Remember how TSM was in the "Free Group" and was eliminated by EU's 3rd Seed that gave SKT a 5 game fight?

Let's just stop with this foolishness!

NO NA teams are in the Top 4 best teams in the World! You could argue NA's best teams aren't even in the Top 10 currently.

Well see how strong the Western teams(mainly NA) are at Worlds this year.

BigBellBruteAug 22, 20191 votes

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With the elimination of wards, methodical play(hence why the LCK has been garbage) and the recent elimination of slow paced styles and tanks(hence why the LPL won Worlds and is still in my opinion, the best region), less gold for anything and everything - we've come to the conclusion that any team can beat the other.

We also have to remember that Korea has Pool 2 Seeds for Worlds! Which means either NA's or EU's #1 Seed will be placed in a group with the LCK's #1 Seed + also LPL's #2 Seed..... Remember last year with Team Liquid and how TL was already eliminated before they faced Edward Gaming? It's going to be like that for Western teams......and for NA....each year it's up to Cloud 9.

The Pool 1 seeds are NA #1, EU #1, Korea #1, (LCK), and China #1. (LPL) So no. NA #1 will not be in a group with LCK #1 and neither will EU #1. And China #2 might end up in NA#1's group or EU #!s group, but it doesn't have to be. It could end up in Korea #1s group.
Taiwan is the non wildcard region without a #1 pool seed this time,

Pool 2 seeds are China 2, China 3, Taiwan 1, Taiwan 2, NA 2, EU 2, Vietnam 1, Korea 2 China is the major region this year that doesn't have to do play ins.

Pool 3 seeds are (assuming they thump all the wild card regions in play ins)
NA 3, Korea 3, Taiwan 3, and EU 3.

I do have my doubts about Taiwan 3. And possibly NA 3 also depending upon who it is. But they probably should still beat wild cards.

Is it wrong to hope that NA #3 is TSM only to see them get thumped by a wild card? legacy trashed.

III BAKURYU III Aug 23, 20191 votes

Ah, I thought Korea had pool 2 seeds because A.) They didn't win MSI, nor did they make it to the Finals and B.) They ddin't win Worlds and every other region(NA/EU/LPL) made it further than them last year at Worlds. However, I really stuck my foot in my mouth that time.

If NA finishes second in their play-in group stage then they will most likely face either Korea #3 or EU #3 and if so ~~NA's 3RD Seed Eliminated~~ I have 0 confidence that NA's 3rd Seed( Either Team Solomid or Clutch Gaming) will be able to beat any Korean teams, or any other regions #1 Seed if they do fall to 2nd in the Group Stage Play-ins.

Why isn't China's #3 Seed in the Play-in? Wasn't it EU vs NA at MSI Finals with Europe winning? Europe's #3 Seed will be in the Play-In stage!?! I thought the whole point of making it to the Finals of MSI and winning it was so your 3rd seed won't be in the Play-In stage? It really seems like what happened in the past(Year ago) determines the following year when it comes to MSI, Worlds, Riot. Should we expect what happened earlier this year with G2/Europe winning MSI not be apart of the Worlds Play-in stage NEXT YEAR?

It's like if WWE booked the winner of the 2020 Royal Rumble to get their shot at the title in the year 2021 of Wrestlemania.

People often say "The past is the past" especially when it comes to NA's past performances but Riot can't do the same.

This is the reason why MSI makes 0 sense. Once you know you've made it to the Playoff Bracket stage of MSI there's no reason to actually try or win the damn thing.

BigBellBruteAug 23, 20191 votes

All four regions that make playoffs in MSI get a 1 pool seed. Taiwan lost theirs, NA got it.

The best overall region lately between past worlds and MSI gets their third seed to avoid play ins. China got it. Korea lost it.

BigBellBruteAug 22, 20191 votes

So you're predicting Fnatic, G2, Liquid, and C9 as the best 4 teams.

Consider your words marked.

ChompyWulfAug 22, 20191 votes

I hate the MSI hype. People forget too easily that it is a tournament that decides nothing but some seeding for Worlds. It's slapped in the middle of the splits, often causes teams to slump because they didnt have time off to rest and practice, and is a different patch than we will see at World's.

As for hyping the West by eye test vs East? That's lazy and silly. While "the gap" between top teams in the regions may be closing, there is absolutely no getting around the fact the floor for LPL and LCK is way higher than NA. There's a reason West teams import players from the East and not vice versa.

Finally, I don't care if they upset IG at MSI if they got swept in a record low for a 5 game series. That just highlights how much of a clown fest MSI is.