Predictions for Summer Split Awards

IncrediPhiLL·Aug 7, 2017·2 votes·631 views

I know RIOT posted an article about a week or so back about this, but I wanted to hear some updated predictions about who you think will win Split awards. I think most of these awards should be pretty cut and draw, but we have had some things that simply make no sense in the past. Here goes mine.

ALL NA TEAM 1 (WHO IT SHOULD BE) Top: Ssumday Jg: Xmithie Mid: Jenson ADC: Cody Sun Sup: Smoothie

Really no argument for any of these. I can see Olleh as a possibility for sup, but Smoothie has been doing it pretty much all year. Olleh has simply turned it on at the the end of the year.

MVP: Jenson. No one else can really make a play. Xmithie as a clear runner up, but he hasn't been as dominant in his role as Jenson. He's far an away in front of everyone statistically and continually claps any other midlaner, including two solokills against the next best mid laner in the league. It's a pretty obvious choice.

COACH OF THE SPLIT: SSONG

Again, pretty cut and dry.

I don't think all of these will be correct. An all NA team and MVP that doesn't glorify TSM seems like a prediction too bold to make. TSM might just sweep the all NA team and get MVP and Coach to boot. We'll see.

What are some of your predictions?

18 Comments

ChompyWulfAug 8, 20172 votes

I will continue to argue against Jensen as MVP. I don't see most valuable as being determined solely by stats. They help determine some quality, but if you get nice stats and a lead to win your lane and do nothing to help top, bot, or secure neutral objectives, your value is limited. Jensen never helped a top lane which has struggled all year, or a bot lane which was often underperforming for the first half of the split.

MVP should be LirA. The 1v9 meme was loaded with truth and this guy dragged a team into a playoff spot which without him would likely be in relegation. That is MVP material.

Miror BAug 8, 20172 votes

See, I'd agree with the Lira argument if this were spring split, as the only thing seperating spring 2017 NV from going 1-17 was him. Summer is a bit different, as although he was good he was by no means the best JG and at times looked to struggle in the tank meta.

Jensen is one I do agree with though, as much like Bjerg he looks to be benefitting more from the system than showing any sort of "dominance". C9's toplane has been terrible this year, their botlane has struggled at times, and contractz has looked to be rather average. While he is having a good split, it's more on par with what we're used to seeing and doesn't really "feel" like he's doing anything different for the team.

MVP realistically should be Xmithie, as he not only turned a 7th-place IMT team into a potential worlds qualifier but has also given them few actual weaknesses. Unlike guys like Jensen/Bjerg who constantly get praised for looking better than their teammates, Xmithie has gone the opposite route and made all of his teammates look way better. Flame looks like a toplaner capable of destroying western ones, thanks to him. Pobelter looks like he can go toe to toe with the top western mids, thanks to him. Even Cody/Olleh are having looking ridiculously good, partially thanks to him. I know that Rito will never award MVP honors to a support ever (as if they had their way they'd find a way to replace the role with another assassin, or an NPC), but giving it to a supportive jg is kinda the right way to go on this.

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20171 votes

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See, I'd agree with the Lira argument if this were spring split, as the only thing seperating spring 2017 NV from going 1-17 was him. Summer is a bit different, as although he was good he was by no means the best JG and at times looked to struggle in the tank meta.

Jensen is one I do agree with though, as much like Bjerg he looks to be benefitting more from the system than showing any sort of "dominance". C9's toplane has been terrible this year, their botlane has struggled at times, and contractz has looked to be rather average. While he is having a good split, it's more on par with what we're used to seeing and doesn't really "feel" like he's doing anything different for the team.

MVP realistically should be Xmithie, as he not only turned a 7th-place IMT team into a potential worlds qualifier but has also given them few actual weaknesses. Unlike guys like Jensen/Bjerg who constantly get praised for looking better than their teammates, Xmithie has gone the opposite route and made all of his teammates look way better. Flame looks like a toplaner capable of destroying western ones, thanks to him. Pobelter looks like he can go toe to toe with the top western mids, thanks to him. Even Cody/Olleh are having looking ridiculously good, partially thanks to him. I know that Rito will never award MVP honors to a support ever (as if they had their way they'd find a way to replace the role with another assassin, or an NPC), but giving it to a supportive jg is kinda the right way to go on this.

They seem fond of rewarding junglers who are aggressive in their play like Meteos back in the day and more recently Reignover. I can see Xmithie getting it, but he hasn't really separated himself from the pack in his position and especially compared to the league.

His kill participation (which I believe is the defining stat for a jg) is 10th in the league among junglers, which means a bulk of the kills on IMT are coming without him. His impact on the game is average at best. He's impacted less than 70 percent of his team's kills.

Olleh is in the same position. He has not contributed in the same way as Smoothie has done for C9.

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20171 votes

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I will continue to argue against Jensen as MVP. I don't see most valuable as being determined solely by stats. They help determine some quality, but if you get nice stats and a lead to win your lane and do nothing to help top, bot, or secure neutral objectives, your value is limited. Jensen never helped a top lane which has struggled all year, or a bot lane which was often underperforming for the first half of the split.

MVP should be LirA. The 1v9 meme was loaded with truth and this guy dragged a team into a playoff spot which without him would likely be in relegation. That is MVP material.

I'm not so sure I agree with your arguments against Jenson that he doesn't help his lanes. He has the highest kill participation in the league which means his team hardly ever gets involved in a fight without him being there and contributing. He may not have a huge impact while assisting them in lane, but his team fighting mechanics and ability to carry his team is very MVP worthy.

ChompyWulfAug 8, 20171 votes

You basically summed up that he doesn't help lanes. He gets a lead and waits for teamfights to come to him. He didn't take his lead and advantage and use it to give leverage to others, he made them survive then go to him. That is not most valuable. That's least effort.

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20172 votes

Just realized I've been spelling Jensen wrong this whole time XD

III BAKURYU III Aug 8, 20171 votes

lol

III BAKURYU III Aug 8, 20171 votes

My personal list 1st Team Top - Darshan Jng - Xmithie Mid - Jensen Adc - Cody Sup - Olleh

MVP - Xmithie I personally have counted out IMT/Xmithie 1 too many, " They are who we thought they were" and I'm done counting them out, are they going to win the Finals or make it IDK but for the regular split IMT are the real deal and Xmithie at times really showed why he should be named MVP.

BigBellBruteAug 8, 20171 votes

It's not the best player award or the best stats award or the who dominated their lane award. It's the most valuable player award. And the proof is in the pudding. From 7th with Dardoch to a tie for first with Xmithie. Xmithie should be the MVP.
Record against the other top 4 teams IMT 5-1 TSM 4-2 CLG 2-4 C9 1-5.
I just don't see Jensen as MVP. I see him as the best midlane this split.

We'll see what happens. Often times in these things, people may deserve certain awards but they don't get them because someone else on their team is really good too and split that vote. Other times, people don't deserve an award and they just hop on the bandwagon of the top team. And of course we all know which team the casters are enamored with. We'll see what happens.

III BAKURYU III Aug 8, 20171 votes

I agree Xmithie should be MVP, I didn't say Jensen should be MVP. I said maybe a runner-up but not MVP.

NipsahoyAug 9, 20171 votes

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It's not the best player award or the best stats award or the who dominated their lane award. It's the most valuable player award. And the proof is in the pudding. From 7th with Dardoch to a tie for first with Xmithie. Xmithie should be the MVP.
Record against the other top 4 teams IMT 5-1 TSM 4-2 CLG 2-4 C9 1-5.
I just don't see Jensen as MVP. I see him as the best midlane this split.

We'll see what happens. Often times in these things, people may deserve certain awards but they don't get them because someone else on their team is really good too and split that vote. Other times, people don't deserve an award and they just hop on the bandwagon of the top team. And of course we all know which team the casters are enamored with. We'll see what happens.

You are taking a lot away from the rest of Immortals by saying only Xmithie did everything. Flame had a nice resurgence as well as Pobelter and Cody/Olleh looked great as well. To me it's not just Xmithie for the reason immortals looked really good. The whole team stepped up big.

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20171 votes

Fair picks.

III BAKURYU III Aug 8, 20171 votes

Thanks, I mean Jensen could be MVP but it will be another split that he's instead the runner-up to the award in my mind. Like many others before me, stats are great but they only show half the story, IMT are a fast paced team led by an average jungler who became great with the same team that looked like a joke of the league in spring and made them elite #2 in the league without superstars(Reignover/Huni) without a promising young talent(Dardoch) but with 2 foreign players(Olleh/Flame) who had their fair share of problems in the past, a talent that has been a bit better overall but at times looked like the second coming of Goldenglue(Pobelter) and a new comer(Cody Sun). Jensen at times really seemed like he was on a personal mission, a vendetta if you will and it showed with how much C9 lost this split and how much he was a core reason. He carried C9 no doubt but most of that was his own doing.

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20171 votes

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Thanks, I mean Jensen could be MVP but it will be another split that he's instead the runner-up to the award in my mind. Like many others before me, stats are great but they only show half the story, IMT are a fast paced team led by an average jungler who became great with the same team that looked like a joke of the league in spring and made them elite #2 in the league without superstars(Reignover/Huni) without a promising young talent(Dardoch) but with 2 foreign players(Olleh/Flame) who had their fair share of problems in the past, a talent that has been a bit better overall but at times looked like the second coming of Goldenglue(Pobelter) and a new comer(Cody Sun). Jensen at times really seemed like he was on a personal mission, a vendetta if you will and it showed with how much C9 lost this split and how much he was a core reason. He carried C9 no doubt but most of that was his own doing.

C9 only lost 2 more series than the top two teams this split. I don't think that really counts as a bunch of losses this split.

III BAKURYU III Aug 8, 20171 votes

Series I'm talking about total wins/loses. Jensen MVP 29.9% of his team dmg behind players such as Froggen/Huhi/Hai/Bjergsen(Mickey not included) 594 Dmg per mind #4th behind Froggen/Bjergsen/Huhi 3rd to last in Wards per minute 0.37 behind 11 other mids(Mickey not included) 0.17 Wards cleared per min #9th(Mickey not included) First in the league in Gold at 15mins 440 about double the next mid Bjergsen First in the league in EXP at 15mins doubling again the next player Bjergsen Worst in the league at getting first blood or being apart of first blood even with such leads in lane Middle of the pack at being first blooded even with such leads in lane 4th in the league at solo Kills behind Froggen/Huhi and Pobelter

Jensen had an unbelievable split like always, but he's just 1 step above another Froggen who won 1 split and that's it, but for Jensen he hasn't even won a split yet, so.

GT StandardAug 8, 20171 votes

I think it will be ridiculously close between Jensen or Xmithie. Still not sure who will get it.

I hate how people keep counting Olleh out tho. He's legit hard carrying Imt some games. I don't think people appreciate how much he does for his team

IncrediPhiLLAug 8, 20171 votes

I would argue that Jenson earning a lead and his team choosing to fight around him because of his consistent leads is very valuable.

Either way, saying he doesn't impact other lanes thus is not valuable and then turning around and arguing for Xmithie doesn't make much sense considering Jenson has a higher KP than Xmithie by nearly 10%.

And I don't put much salt into damage numbers. It's too finicky depending on which champion you play. When Jenson is spending the bulk of his time playing Ori, he won't put out huge damage numbers until pretty late in the game... C9 games haven't really been going late, this means the damage odds are kind of stacked against him. Especially when the early meta in the split favored high damage junglers and top Laners.

Either way, it's hard to argue against his lanning stats (highest CS in the league), his KDA (way highest in the league), and most importantly, his KP (a stat which literally tells us how much you help your team), which is the highest in the league. That's value in every single area of the game. Individually and team.

NipsahoyAug 8, 20171 votes

It will likely be another Bjergsen circle jerk fest as usual. I think Jensen should win it personally. He's been an absolute force in the mid lane. Can't even think of a time when the dude got beat hard in lane pretty much never happens. His team definitely plays around him they ward up the middle area for him all the time so he can play aggressive and smash the lane and he always delivers.

The guy plays his style and does it better than anybody. His style is to play smart/safe and not take huge risks and always be relevant for the team fighting and he 100% does that every single game perfectly. He's done that with a struggling top lane all split and a inconsistent jungle and a relatively solid bot lane imo. People always talk about Bjergsen but he has basically the best teammates around him at many positions. He's good sure but everytime he's had bad teammates he's been absolutely smashed at worlds and international tournaments. That's one of the reasons I'm not huge on the Bjergsen hype train.

Most of the stuff you say are detractors from Jensen winning it are stylistic choices his team makes. C9 has not had a strong early game typically and it's one of the thing they always say they are working on trying to improve. He has weaker early game stats because his team doesn't play that way they wait for the team fights and then they smash people and Jensen does it extremely well.