The top 10 adcs currently (OPINION)

OHminus · 2019-08-24T22:33:40.139Z

G2 Perkz I consider Perkz to be the best player on G2 by far. Perkz has an advantage over every other adc - he started in mid lane and therefore isn't limited to the traditional adc playstyle. He does play and can excel on picks like Sivir and Xayah, etc but he can play Pyke and Yasuo bottom, or whatever the hell G2 feels like putting him on. The only other adcs in the world that I believe have the ability to do that is Griffin's Viper and Fnatic's Rekkles. Perkz is probably (in my eyes) why G2 is considered such a heavy favorite for worlds and why G2 is dominating LEC atm. SKT Teddy Teddy is the polar opposite of Perkz - he's your traditional adc that is an absolute unit on Ezreal, Kai'sa, Kalista, Sivir and Xayah but should probably stay away from Sona or anything of the sort. Teddy really excels at amassing gold - he cses really, really well (to the point where Clid/Faker complained that Teddy was taking too much), and then after getting an item or two wrecks teamfights with his insane damage and lead. There's a reason that he got the nickname "Fountain Laser" - if you allow him to scale, he'll destroy your team like the fountain does. His mechanics are otherworldly, and the only reason he's below Perkz is because Teddy didn't really have the hottest showing at MSI. Gen. G Ruler As a Gen. G fan, I wanted to be biased and put Ruler first. In the end, I decided to put him third, but I should remind you that this isn't really the bias speaking. Even though Gen. G has disappointed elsewhere on the map (cough mid cough), Ruler has always been Gen. G's carry condition. Ruler is probably the best 1v5 carry you'll see in the pro scene, as he singlehandedly carried Gen.G to a series win against Griffin(!) with his Vayne, and regularly outputs stupid amounts of dps with his Xayah, Kalista and Kai'sa. He also really excels on immobile ad carries like Ashe and Varus, boasting some of the most immaculate positioning I've seen from an AD carry. FNC Rekkles Rekkles was always one of the most mechanically gifted ADCs in the world, but he was always one for more traditional ad carries to the point where he was benched for Bwipo after the terrible curse that was patch 8.11 (for adcs like Rekkles, at least). However, Rekkles now is flexing and introducing some hot picks to botlane, such as Karma and Garen. Rekkles still remains at the top of EU, even with ad carries like Perkz, Upset and Kobbe rising up to compete with him in the scene. RNG Uzi Another legend, Uzi is (still) probably the top ad carry in China. Most known for his world famous Vayne, Uzi is the definition of a hypercarry. As long as RNG feeds Uzi enough resources early, Uzi will definitely find a way to output stupid amounts of damage later on. Not much more to be said here - he's so good that every team he's been on caters to and believes in this playstyle. Griffin Viper Another one of the new age of "flexible" ad carry players, Viper has stretched the definition of bottom lane carry in Korea. From bot lane counter kill lanes like Darius, Teemo and Taliyah, to mage hypercarries like Cassiopeia and Vladimir, to supportive picks like Morgana and Sona, to standard adcs like Kai'sa, Ezreal and Xayah, Viper has played them all. There's something to be said when Vladimir is his 4th most played champ in his entire CAREER(!) and boasts his highest winrate(!). FPX Lwx The first FPX player to not be rated 2nd on my lists! Let me begin by saying that I believe Lwx is an insanely good player - he is on this top 10 list at number 7, after all. He makes mechanical outplays in the mid game that makes crowds go nuts, such as pulling an insane cullings on Lucian or diving into the backline as Kai'sa. That being said, I do believe he's the beneficiary of FPX's playstyle, as Doinb and Tian constantly dive and camp bottom, feeding Lwx early kills and plating gold. KZ Deft Kingzone struggled mightily during the last 5 weeks of LCK Summer after a really promising season up to that point. They finished 3rd in LCK Spring, largely thanks largely in part to Deft (who many believed was the true Spring Split MVP ahead of Chovy), defeated FPX and iG at Rift Rivals (again, bot lane played a huge part in both victories), and looked like a near lock to make playoffs in LCK Summer, even though Pawn had injury issues and had to be replaced by Naehyun. Deft's strong play showed out before all of the internal drama, and while his play (along with the rest of KZ) took a definite hit in the 2nd half of Summer, Deft's play beforehand was so good that it's impossible to place him lower. TL Doublelift NA's undisputed top adc of all time, DL has really elevated his game in 2019 (maybe thanks to CoreJJ). DL has been in the scene so long that he has so many signature champions, from his Lucian (probably the most famous one), to his Vayne, to his Sivir, to his Ezreal, to his Varus... and now his Sona (xd). While always an aggressive player that looks to deal as much damage as possible, DL in 2019 has…

OHminus·Aug 24, 2019·3 votes·2,936 views

G2 Perkz I consider Perkz to be the best player on G2 by far. Perkz has an advantage over every other adc - he started in mid lane and therefore isn't limited to the traditional adc playstyle. He does play and can excel on picks like Sivir and Xayah, etc but he can play Pyke and Yasuo bottom, or whatever the hell G2 feels like putting him on. The only other adcs in the world that I believe have the ability to do that is Griffin's Viper and Fnatic's Rekkles. Perkz is probably (in my eyes) why G2 is considered such a heavy favorite for worlds and why G2 is dominating LEC atm.
SKT Teddy Teddy is the polar opposite of Perkz - he's your traditional adc that is an absolute unit on Ezreal, Kai'sa, Kalista, Sivir and Xayah but should probably stay away from Sona or anything of the sort. Teddy really excels at amassing gold - he cses really, really well (to the point where Clid/Faker complained that Teddy was taking too much), and then after getting an item or two wrecks teamfights with his insane damage and lead. There's a reason that he got the nickname "Fountain Laser" - if you allow him to scale, he'll destroy your team like the fountain does. His mechanics are otherworldly, and the only reason he's below Perkz is because Teddy didn't really have the hottest showing at MSI.
Gen. G Ruler As a Gen. G fan, I wanted to be biased and put Ruler first. In the end, I decided to put him third, but I should remind you that this isn't really the bias speaking. Even though Gen. G has disappointed elsewhere on the map (cough mid cough), Ruler has always been Gen. G's carry condition. Ruler is probably the best 1v5 carry you'll see in the pro scene, as he singlehandedly carried Gen.G to a series win against Griffin(!) with his Vayne, and regularly outputs stupid amounts of dps with his Xayah, Kalista and Kai'sa. He also really excels on immobile ad carries like Ashe and Varus, boasting some of the most immaculate positioning I've seen from an AD carry.
FNC Rekkles Rekkles was always one of the most mechanically gifted ADCs in the world, but he was always one for more traditional ad carries to the point where he was benched for Bwipo after the terrible curse that was patch 8.11 (for adcs like Rekkles, at least). However, Rekkles now is flexing and introducing some hot picks to botlane, such as Karma and Garen. Rekkles still remains at the top of EU, even with ad carries like Perkz, Upset and Kobbe rising up to compete with him in the scene.
RNG Uzi Another legend, Uzi is (still) probably the top ad carry in China. Most known for his world famous Vayne, Uzi is the definition of a hypercarry. As long as RNG feeds Uzi enough resources early, Uzi will definitely find a way to output stupid amounts of damage later on. Not much more to be said here - he's so good that every team he's been on caters to and believes in this playstyle.
Griffin Viper Another one of the new age of "flexible" ad carry players, Viper has stretched the definition of bottom lane carry in Korea. From bot lane counter kill lanes like Darius, Teemo and Taliyah, to mage hypercarries like Cassiopeia and Vladimir, to supportive picks like Morgana and Sona, to standard adcs like Kai'sa, Ezreal and Xayah, Viper has played them all. There's something to be said when Vladimir is his 4th most played champ in his entire CAREER(!) and boasts his highest winrate(!).
FPX Lwx The first FPX player to not be rated 2nd on my lists! Let me begin by saying that I believe Lwx is an insanely good player - he is on this top 10 list at number 7, after all. He makes mechanical outplays in the mid game that makes crowds go nuts, such as pulling an insane cullings on Lucian or diving into the backline as Kai'sa. That being said, I do believe he's the beneficiary of FPX's playstyle, as Doinb and Tian constantly dive and camp bottom, feeding Lwx early kills and plating gold.
KZ Deft Kingzone struggled mightily during the last 5 weeks of LCK Summer after a really promising season up to that point. They finished 3rd in LCK Spring, largely thanks largely in part to Deft (who many believed was the true Spring Split MVP ahead of Chovy), defeated FPX and iG at Rift Rivals (again, bot lane played a huge part in both victories), and looked like a near lock to make playoffs in LCK Summer, even though Pawn had injury issues and had to be replaced by Naehyun. Deft's strong play showed out before all of the internal drama, and while his play (along with the rest of KZ) took a definite hit in the 2nd half of Summer, Deft's play beforehand was so good that it's impossible to place him lower.
TL Doublelift NA's undisputed top adc of all time, DL has really elevated his game in 2019 (maybe thanks to CoreJJ). DL has been in the scene so long that he has so many signature champions, from his Lucian (probably the most famous one), to his Vayne, to his Sivir, to his Ezreal, to his Varus... and now his Sona (xd). While always an aggressive player that looks to deal as much damage as possible, DL in 2019 has dialed down the number of mistakes, making him a better player and a bigger threat to opposing teams.
WE Mystic A lot of LPL fans call Mystic budget Uzi, but I think the gap between the two isn't as large as some fans may believe. Mystic, like Uzi, can do insane things if he can get through the early game, and this split showed why he's a top 10 adc (in my opinion, of course). WE Summer could really be called the Mystic and Xiye show, because those two really looked like the only ones that were trying to win on WE. Mystic put up some insane performances and almost led WE to playoffs, but to no avail.

29 Comments

ChompyWulfAug 25, 20191 votes

Going to disagree with #9. Doublelift isn't undisputed best NA. A very strong case can be made for Sneaky. I see DLift as being like Conor McGregor. Both are very good, and run their mouth and brag so much, and very often back it up enough that people buy into the hype and believe they are the best, while there is a quieter and just as skilled (if not better) guy just not getting the same spotlight treatment.

OHminusAug 25, 20191 votes

While that may be true historically, I think Sneaky didn't really have a good split this summer. Sneaky was still a good teamfighter, it's just that he and Zeyzal lost lane so often that right now, I could see arguments for Cody/Stixxay for being NA's #2. Hopefully C9's series against CLG is the beginning of the upswing for Sneaky, as he looked good in that series.

ChompyWulfAug 25, 20191 votes

That may be true for the split, I was referring more to you calling DL the "greatest NA adc of all time".

OHminusAug 27, 20191 votes

Well, it's like apples and oranges. If we were to compare to basketball, DL is like David Robinson - fantastic regular season player who consistently makes it to the biggest stage (Worlds for DL, playoffs for Robinson) but doesn't seem to pull out that many wins on that stage. Then you have Sneaky, who's more of a James Worthy - he posts good numbers in the regular season but takes it up another notch in the playoffs. If you ask basketball pundits, the majority would say that the Admiral was better, but some people would choose Worthy because of his success on the big stage and some of his key performances on that stage.

So, maybe my wording was a bit off - DL being the "undisputed" best adc means that I think the majority of people would choose DL as the better adc - but an argument could be made for Sneaky as well.

BigBellBruteAug 27, 20191 votes

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Well, it's like apples and oranges. If we were to compare to basketball, DL is like David Robinson - fantastic regular season player who consistently makes it to the biggest stage (Worlds for DL, playoffs for Robinson) but doesn't seem to pull out that many wins on that stage. Then you have Sneaky, who's more of a James Worthy - he posts good numbers in the regular season but takes it up another notch in the playoffs. If you ask basketball pundits, the majority would say that the Admiral was better, but some people would choose Worthy because of his success on the big stage and some of his key performances on that stage.

So, maybe my wording was a bit off - DL being the "undisputed" best adc means that I think the majority of people would choose DL as the better adc - but an argument could be made for Sneaky as well.

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! You're terrible at analogies.
NBA titles. Robinson 2, Worthy 3.
NALCS titles Sneaky 2. Double lift 7.
So Sneaky is Robinson. But You're going to have to come up with someone else to represent Doublelift.
Jordan has 6. Abdul Jabbar has 6. Take your pick.

15-4 in playoff games vs Sneaky. Doublelift styles on the poor guy when it counts.

OHminusAug 27, 20191 votes

I'm talking about worlds, mate. Doublelift has never gotten past groups, while Sneaky has gotten out of groups 2x

III BAKURYU III Aug 27, 20191 votes

Sneaky has gotten out of Groups 4x times(2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018)

OHminusAug 27, 20192 votes

Ah, mb. I completely blanked out on 2016/17, lumped those in with '15 for some reason.

III BAKURYU III Aug 27, 20191 votes

It's OK.....just don't ever make another mistake again or I'll send you to the dimension of pure chaos! [darius-angry]

ChompyWulfAug 27, 20191 votes

Or DLift is more like Durant, or LeBron. Very good, but needs to join a super team to get their legacy padded to even try to match Jordan or Kareem.

ChompyWulfAug 27, 20191 votes

ADC may be the hardest position to claim anyone is undisputed best, because of how they are nearly always aided by a support and in 2v2 scenarios. I'd say until DLift joined TL, he and Sneaky had comparable supports. After joining TL, Doublelift has had two of the best in Olleh and CoreJJ. The meta has also favored aggressive ADCs for a while, which is DLifts strength, while if the meta favors poke and utility from the ADC, Sneaky is clearly better.

BigBellBruteAug 26, 20191 votes

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Going to disagree with #9. Doublelift isn't undisputed best NA. A very strong case can be made for Sneaky. I see DLift as being like Conor McGregor. Both are very good, and run their mouth and brag so much, and very often back it up enough that people buy into the hype and believe they are the best, while there is a quieter and just as skilled (if not better) guy just not getting the same spotlight treatment.

Anybody can argue Sneaky is better. But if they do it with a straight face, I don't suggest playing poker with them.
It's not even close. DL is 15-4 in playoffs vs Sneaky and he has 7 titles to Sneaky's 2. He owned Sneaky when it mattered most.

III BAKURYU III Aug 26, 20192 votes

I think people say Sneaky > Lift because Doublelift can beat Sneaky in the LCS all he wants but it's Sneaky in the harder groups at Worlds that outshines D-Lift year after year. How are you going to beat Sneaky.......go to Worlds and s$it the bed but the ADC you just beat can outperform you on the reg?

Winning NA is really cool but........it's Worlds that actually matters. It's like winning your division in the NBA but getting swept each year in the first round of the Playoffs. Being lane dominant wins NA/domestically but it's teamwork and working around her weakness that matters at Worlds. That's all I've heard in the Playoffs is "it's a X lane difference". Well that "X lane difference" doesn't mean much against better laners than what NA has(D-Lift) but instead, teams that focus on team synergy, team work and team communication.

IF we are talking about NA only.....YES, D-Lift but it's not some 90-10 in favor for such and it's especially not some "Sneaky's best ever cosplay was ** pretending to be a top tier ADC for the last two years." - Thorin ** By going on such logic, Rekkles should be #9 and D-Lift should have Rekkles' spot on the list because we've seen it multiple times Lift is a better laner and one could argue player but not so much when it comes to teamwork(constant theme). We've seen Lift a$$ blast Rekkles in the 1v1's, in lane multiple times. The only difference is that Rekkles is the EU version of Sneaky and D-Lift is the NA version of Deft( gets the attention, gets the fame and glory, gets the damage and lane priority but relatively speaking are chokers).

ChompyWulfAug 26, 20191 votes

Something else I'd add in is that there have been very obvious times when Sneaky is better than DLift. If the meta favors utility and poke ADCs over hypercarries, Sneaky is flat out better and DLift will make dumb mistakes going too far forward. It's also a bit wrong to compare head-to-head records and call that proof one is better since it is a team game. Teammates sometimes underperform making your own play worth less, or step up and help carry you through.

At the end of the day, the point is that DLift is not the undisputed greatest NA adc.

BigBellBruteAug 26, 20191 votes

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Something else I'd add in is that there have been very obvious times when Sneaky is better than DLift. If the meta favors utility and poke ADCs over hypercarries, Sneaky is flat out better and DLift will make dumb mistakes going too far forward. It's also a bit wrong to compare head-to-head records and call that proof one is better since it is a team game. Teammates sometimes underperform making your own play worth less, or step up and help carry you through.

At the end of the day, the point is that DLift is not the undisputed greatest NA adc.

As much as you'd like to try to sweep 15-4 and 7titles to two under the rug, everyone can see the lump under there. I mean you might have a point if it were say, 10-9. But it isn't. It's overwhelming. Yes DL has won titles with some great players such as bjerg. But he's also won with some not so great players. And it's not like Sneaky had terrible teams over the years either. He's had Jensen, he has Svenskeren. He has had Impact. He has had Smoothie. There have been some really good players coming through C9. And Licorice is certainly no slouch. Neither is Nisqy, nor Zeyzal. I won't argue that Sneaky has ever played with anyone the caliber of Core JJ at support, but neither did doublelift for 5 of his 7 titles.
Oh and you don't need to lecture me about your point. I got your point. Of course it's disputed. Heck. That there is still racism in this country isn't undisputed. In fact, it's disputed on the behavior board quite often. That doesn't mean the dispute is legit. Claiming Sneaky is better than double lift in the face of an overwhelming record that indicates otherwise is pure folly.

ChompyWulfAug 27, 20191 votes

You're using skewed numbers to support your claim. If you want to really talk about head-to-head playoff records and titles, a LARGE chunk of those numbers in Doublelifts favor have come from the last two seasons with him on Team Liquid when he has had Olleh and CoreJJ as his support while Sneaky had a fading Smoothie and Zeyzal. Not counting this Summers final, DL had three titles and 9 wins in that time frame opposite Sneaky. When you consider both have been pros since Season 3 and that means for 5 years the numbers totaled 6-4 head to head match record and 4 titles to 2. The numbers still favor DL, but it shows both were better in different metas. With the current meta and DL enjoying the best NA support the last two years, he has had a spike of success, but that's only recent and not an indicator of a whole career and years of Sneaky being as good or better than him. Added onto that that DL has run his mouth as if he's the best when his team took four years to win one title, then he ran to join TSM (who of course he trash talked most but consistently lost to) and was getting consistent success thanks to now being on a super team.

Doublelift is like the LeBron of LoL. You can blab all you want about being the best, when you have to run to join and build super teams to get titles, it really shows you're not as good as all the hype.

III BAKURYU III Aug 27, 20191 votes

Another point is just how many teammates Sneaky has played with but still manages to make it to Finals and out of groups and not just former World Champions but also rookies(Blaber, Zeyzal), players that their former teams didn't want because they couldn't make it out of groups with such but once joined Cloud 9 instantly made it out of groups and into Semi-Finals(Svenskeren). I remember C9 members saying, 'It wasn't you - it was them' to Svenskeren.

Players that were either bad or just couldn't make it to a stable roster(Smoothie and Goldenglue). 7th place and gauntlet to Worlds, 10th place to Finals, play-in after play-in, group stage after group stage.

If D-Lift is the LeBron James of NA would Sneaky be the Damian Lillard of NA?

ChompyWulfAug 27, 20192 votes

Maybe I shouldn't have used a basketball allegory as I don't follow the sport much. I forget sometimes that many people think LeBron is one of the best ever despite his shortcomings and manipulation.

III BAKURYU III Aug 27, 20191 votes

I think it's safe to say that LeBron James is one of the greatest of all time but I'd personally will always say Kobe Bryant is the GOAT as he was my favorite player to watch. Biased in my opinion.....yeah

ChompyWulfAug 28, 20191 votes

On second thought, maybe James is the perfect example. There is no undisputed Greatest of all Time in the NBA, but there is a short list of guys in the conversation. (Usually Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron) Of those, James is the one who has changed teams and worked to recruit and team up with the guys he wanted to play with to get championships. DLift helped poach Darshan onto CLG. By several reports he tried to recruit a couple CLG players take or listen to TSM offers. He chose to take time off from playing one spring? and was clearly looking around at other team options given how he was "on loan" to Liquid while still technically a TSM player, then look where he went after TSM...a lot of parallels to LeBron's journeying, recruiting, and bullying to have things his way.

Sneaky would be far more like Jordan or Kobe, staying on the same team, no matter who he was playing with.

III BAKURYU III Aug 26, 20191 votes

So much factors play a part in comparing and contrasting on who's better than whom in sports. It's not so black or white in doing so.

Do I think Doublelift is a better player and ADC than Sneaky? - YES. But there are positives on Sneaky's side that tells you he could be better than D-Lift just as there are for D-lift.

At the end of the day, the point is that DLift is not the undisputed greatest NA adc. I agree. The only player/position that's set in stone for now is Mid with Faker. However, right now there's those who think Faker is the 5th best mid currently and I somewhat agree.

BigBellBruteAug 26, 20191 votes

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I think people say Sneaky > Lift because Doublelift can beat Sneaky in the LCS all he wants but it's Sneaky in the harder groups at Worlds that outshines D-Lift year after year. How are you going to beat Sneaky.......go to Worlds and s$it the bed but the ADC you just beat can outperform you on the reg?

Winning NA is really cool but........it's Worlds that actually matters. It's like winning your division in the NBA but getting swept each year in the first round of the Playoffs. Being lane dominant wins NA/domestically but it's teamwork and working around her weakness that matters at Worlds. That's all I've heard in the Playoffs is "it's a X lane difference". Well that "X lane difference" doesn't mean much against better laners than what NA has(D-Lift) but instead, teams that focus on team synergy, team work and team communication.

IF we are talking about NA only.....YES, D-Lift but it's not some 90-10 in favor for such and it's especially not some "Sneaky's best ever cosplay was ** pretending to be a top tier ADC for the last two years." - Thorin ** By going on such logic, Rekkles should be #9 and D-Lift should have Rekkles' spot on the list because we've seen it multiple times Lift is a better laner and one could argue player but not so much when it comes to teamwork(constant theme). We've seen Lift a$$ blast Rekkles in the 1v1's, in lane multiple times. The only difference is that Rekkles is the EU version of Sneaky and D-Lift is the NA version of Deft( gets the attention, gets the fame and glory, gets the damage and lane priority but relatively speaking are chokers).

Sorry. But the team performing marginally better at worlds doesn't mean squat. It's a function of a lucky draw. What do you think Sneaky is going to show his grand kids first. Oh look grand kids, here is my proudest achievement in lol. Here's my 5th-8th place trophy. We don't really know what place it is because nobody cares enough to play those places out. But it is totally better than TSM's 9th-12th place trophy? Or is he going to walk right over to his two NA championship trophies and talk about a national title? Double lift's 2nd at MSI is better than any placing Sneaky has internationally. There are no twos or threes there. You're getting every single region's best team at the time.
No. Dboulelift is far better than Sneaky and it isn't even close to anyone that isn't a hater.

III BAKURYU III Aug 26, 20191 votes

As I said, D-Lift wins NA because he's a lane dominant player and there's honestly only been 2 NA ADCs to match him for past 6 years(Wildturtle and Sneaky) both aren't good in lane. Where's all that lane dominance at Worlds?

It's a function of a lucky draw

Maybe. I mean escape the "Group of Death" with SSG and RNG if TSM/Lift can't make it out no NA team can........oh, C9/Sneaky did.
C'mon B.B....of all people you are going to use the "lucky draw"?

D-Lift did something on the International stage........ ONCE and even I said TL would make it to the Finals before MSI. Against Invictus Gaming a team that won Worlds/hype etc because the meta favored them as sole reason at Worlds. TPA anyone?

Grandpa Sneaky -" Yep, here's my 9-11 place trophy. Yeah, was 7th place in NA but reversed swept twice to make it to Worlds and was 1 game shy of making it out of Groups but the 18-0 Fnatic was too strong. Well, the rest are just my 5-8th trophies(4 of them...just like TL's NA's dominance) and my 3-4th Place trophy.

Child - "Wow. Worlds isn't all that impressive! D-Lift wins against you constantly but gets pwnd at Worlds...... while you actually manage to make it out of groups multiple times and give a good showing for NA(every year the only NA team to do much of anything). You......you're nothing but a Varsity player Grandpa Sneaky Castro Scuderi JV > Varsity..... _JV > VARISTY _

No. Dboulelift is far better than Sneaky and it isn't even close to anyone that isn't a hater.

I didn't say Sneaky was better than D-Lift. All I said was it's not 90-10 in favor for such and why some people may think Sneaky is better than D-Lift and gave compelling reasons on why.

I'm a "hater" ya'll....... a troll... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I

BigBellBruteAug 27, 20191 votes

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As I said, D-Lift wins NA because he's a lane dominant player and there's honestly only been 2 NA ADCs to match him for past 6 years(Wildturtle and Sneaky) both aren't good in lane. Where's all that lane dominance at Worlds?

Maybe. I mean escape the "Group of Death" with SSG and RNG if TSM/Lift can't make it out no NA team can........oh, C9/Sneaky did.
C'mon B.B....of all people you are going to use the "lucky draw"?

D-Lift did something on the International stage........ ONCE and even I said TL would make it to the Finals before MSI. Against Invictus Gaming a team that won Worlds/hype etc because the meta favored them as sole reason at Worlds. TPA anyone?

Grandpa Sneaky -" Yep, here's my 9-11 place trophy. Yeah, was 7th place in NA but reversed swept twice to make it to Worlds and was 1 game shy of making it out of Groups but the 18-0 Fnatic was too strong. Well, the rest are just my 5-8th trophies(4 of them...just like TL's NA's dominance) and my 3-4th Place trophy.

Child - "Wow. Worlds isn't all that impressive! D-Lift wins against you constantly but gets pwnd at Worlds...... while you actually manage to make it out of groups multiple times and give a good showing for NA(every year the only NA team to do much of anything). You......you're nothing but a Varsity player Grandpa Sneaky Castro Scuderi JV > Varsity..... _JV > VARISTY _

I didn't say Sneaky was better than D-Lift. All I said was it's not 90-10 in favor for such and why some people may think Sneaky is better than D-Lift and gave compelling reasons on why.

I'm a "hater" ya'll....... a troll... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I

Group of death? More like group of the completely overrated as things turned out. They had EZ money Vitality in their group. They had Gen G who only won one game. And uh HAHAHAH that one game was against C9. They also had RNG who didn't make it past the quarters. Those that were calling it the group of death were completely wrong. They were sniffing Gen G's jock because they were formerly SSG, failing to notice they were so inconsistent, they were Korea's 3rd seed. And they were sniffing RNG's jock too. But that turned out to be wrong also. They never played like a favorite to win it all. They weren't what they were cracked up to be. If you really want to know who got the bad draw it's 100 thieves. That group had the World's Champ and the world's 2nd place in it.

III BAKURYU III Aug 27, 20191 votes

Gen G(SSG) also got 1 game off TSM. Oh, lol D-Lift was on that team.

RNG didn't make it past QT's back in 2016 either. Cloud 9 at least fought for 1st place, instead of 2nd place with the winner having a 3-3 record. RNG faced G2 and yeah, they lost. G2 Esports.... Where have I heard that name before....... I'll go ask Team Liquid. SSG was also Korea's 3rd seed back in 2016 also.

RNG won MSI that same year... very similar to say how G2 is being favored to win Worlds this year. So RNG won MSI, Gen G were the defending world champions and Vitality played balls-to-the-walls.

Papsmitty, you know, the Montecristo a$$ kisser and Korea balls sniffer even predicted TSM to beat RNG and even after RNG destroyed TSM everyone(Papsmitty and Froskurinn) predicted TSM to beat SSG. TSM was favored to win their group and be the #1 seed in such group but they choked it away.

Think about this, ok?

Let's say TL lost to C9 and was NA's #2 Seed and was placed in this group for example -

MSI Winners(2018 RNG) but instead it's G2 Esports 2017 World Champions( 2018) but instead it's Invictus Gaming and sense I can't place another EU team I'll say the #3rd Seed from the LMS... AHQ Esports That to you wouldn't be a group of death? It's the same Tournament winners but different teams in context.

100 Thieves chocked themselves out of Worlds because( I don't know the situation or stories of such ) but benching or kicking or releasing etc Meteos and the same thing with Codysun was just...... If 100 Thieves kept the roster they had from Spring Split I actually would have(did) predict them to make it out of groups.

PąìnAug 27, 20191 votes

Perks on the top PEPELAUGH

OHminusAug 27, 20191 votes

Who do you think is the best bot laner?

PąìnAug 27, 20191 votes

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Who do you think is the best bot laner?

Perkz should be 6th place, I wont put him 1st pace "just because he can play midlaners on bot and doing a bit well on ad carries duhh"

Teddy is by far the best ad carry this season. And DL on the list is just a joke, he may looks good in LCS but when it comes to tournaments..... :) yikes. but I guess he have improved a lot and now he flash better than before.