The reason why support miss fortune was picked by ROX Gorilla

notice me Sin pi·Oct 22, 2016·9 votes·8,927 views

it was a counter pick. -mf Q counters zyra plants (free double-up nukes in lane if zyra ever tries to be even slightly aggressive) -no one in SKT had immediate hard cc to interrupt mf ult (i guess u can argue orianna does have immediate hard cc but she still takes a second or two to set up the ult)
synergy with ashe adc. -mf's E was used to setup ashe's ult -ashe's ult in turn was used to setup mf ult -notice how ROX first picked ashe instead of other champs in game 4
And early game pressure -but no one in your elo probably takes advantage of early game pressure unless you are in somewhere around diamond+ with voicechat

TL;DR: for the love of god dont play mf support unless u actually know what you are doing

Edit: im no challenger player, but these were said by LCS analysts and all im doing is summarizing their analysis

10 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 22, 20161 votes

yes all of this is true... and people dont understand why team comps and champ picks work in pro play but they will try the champ and think it is viable cuz X pro did it and fail and not understand why....

also part of it is they are PROS the .001% best players and most talented people at this game and its more then getting good at mechanics and knowing the complexity of the game. just like i cant run a 4.4 40yrd dash or throw a football 65 yrs downfield on a rope... i understand all the complexities of football i just dont have the talent to be a pro football player.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 22, 20161 votes

tell me about how u know about high elo when your silver 2? i mean i dont

xFA MordredOct 23, 201611 votes

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tell me about how u know about high elo when your silver 2? i mean i dont

His elo doesn't make any of his points less correct.

notice me Sin piOct 23, 20166 votes

First of all, what does my elo have to do with validity of the statements? Just use ur own brain to see if it makes sense, it doesnt take a challenger 600LP support main to see that mf supp counters zyra supp

Second of all, the LCS analysts did all the analysis and said all kinds of stuff on why mf support had been viable in the matchup, and all im rly doing is just summarizing and posting their analysis here, which does not require a Challenger 600LP support main to do so.

Dr PoroOct 23, 20161 votes

His statement is not about high elo, it's about low elo. He's saying that high elo is an exception. (Btw, he said diamond or above but it really should've been Master or above. As a Dia 4 player, macro plays rarely work here during early game unless you have atleast 3 men premade. You basically need voice chat / preparation.)

Dr PoroOct 23, 20161 votes

but no one in your elo probably takes advantage of early game pressure unless you are in somewhere around diamond or higher

As a dia 4 player I must admit that no one over here utilizes this pressure either. I think you need to raise the bar to atleast dia 1 (perhaps even master) OR 5v5 premades.

notice me Sin piOct 23, 20161 votes

if u r in diamond, then i ~~as a silver 2 scrub~~ would assume u would know what u r doing anyway, even if coordination's not as good as master+. I suppose perhaps i made a false assumption ~~and made a misleading detail(?) to the summary~~ if a diamond 4 says so.

Dr PoroOct 24, 20162 votes

Well, during the lategame we do have macro plays like split pushing, sieging, rushing baron, ... But those calls are easier to make because the map is usually open and you have more time. During the early game, you have very little time to make a play because staying in the lane just makes you scale very easily at this point. So before lvl 6, it's mostly everyone for themselves where a jungle gank can happen, but you shouldn't rely on it, unless they announced it already. Midlaner might roam once lvl 6 and botlane may come mid one they killed the turret. Top lane can tp gank bot after 6 if bot warded deep enough. But that's about it. There's no crazy Aurelion sol mid ganking bot at lvl 1 (pretty sure that does happen in bronze, though).

So what I'm saying is, if you pick MF to have lane pressure, the only thing you're going to do is attract enemy jungler and probably die. Your other laners and/or jungler will most likely not adapt to your playstyle because they never have played with MF support before. That's why meta picks are so convenient. Your team will know how to play with that champ (however, the opponents will also know how to play against them). If you have a premade adc+supp then maybe you can pull this off successfully. It's much like a trundle support really that needs a lot of practise from a premade bottom lane. Never play this as a soloQer, not even in diamond.

StillnameOct 23, 20161 votes

I wouldn't be so quick to judge MF support as only a counter to Zyra. Maybe she is just good against all of the midrange mages that go bot like annie, brand, anivia, etc.

For example, trundle isn't really a traditional support champion but he does really well against all of the melee supports and he does alright against the peel supports if he gets picked into that matchup.

It could be that MF support is actually good but no one has ever really given it much attention so far. Morgana went largely un-thought of for the longest time and was considered to be a midlane champion until one day people decided she countered botlane meta really well.

That being said I am not looking forward to the wave of MF supports that have no idea what they are doing :\

bbquesauceOct 24, 20161 votes

Unless he is silver in premade groups, I wouldn't necessarily say he's a silver player, either. To get yourself to high ranking tiers, you have to carry your games to win. I get too lazy to go 20-30 kills a game just for a rank. Every. Game.