So now that Triforce Ekko did well in LCS...

General Esdeath ·Aug 28, 2016·62 votes·2,986 views

How long before we nerf Zac because Meteos picked him and did well? Kappa

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Troll for TrumpAug 29, 201610 votes

Zac is powerful. but he's one of the more unpopular champs. Nerf him now, and everyone will go bananas

XinCrinAug 29, 20161 votes

I have seen a LOT of Zac recently over the last 4 days or so. I think he is quite strong atm and might need a small nerf. Nothing crazy.

Champion SkinAug 30, 20161 votes

Zac can be really strong but he has some rather large weaknesses in that if his E gets interrupted or he is hit by a knock back during/after his E he loses a lot of his power as he doesn't have any other good abilities to get back into the fight and his other abilities are rather short ranged

And there is also the fact that he usually needs to charge up his E which makes it quite obvious if the enemy has warded the area he is jumping from

SpecterVonBarenAug 29, 20161 votes

Not like they didn't do the same to Skarner after his second rework when he showed up in ONE LCS game.

Troll for TrumpAug 29, 20161 votes

You mean the one with the Dominion mini-game? Cuz that one was really strong even in soloQ for a short bit before being heavily nerfed..

SpecterVonBarenAug 29, 20161 votes

No, that was his third rework. His second rework was the one where his passive was Crystal Venom, he was fun, strong, and sticky but he wasn't overbearingly strong but as soon as he saw one game of pro play Riot nerfed him.

Champion SkinAug 30, 20162 votes

He was kind of strong right after the third rework wasn't he? Because of the rather high base damage on his E (and there being little reason to max Q as it lost all of it base damage and only relied on AD after the third rework) and the fact that he could stun with an auto attack after hitting E rather then needing to land 3 abilities which did allow Skarner to stun a target more quickly which is quite useful during ganking

Though yes he did get worse at stunning multiple targets as he couldn't spread around his crystal venom with his Q and stun all of them with basic attacks

SpecterVonBarenAug 30, 20161 votes

No the E being his only source of stun is a horrible change because if you miss that slow skillshot then you just lost all of your CC outside of your ult, with his old passive and the better base movespeed and speed boost on hitting with his Q you could still pull off a gank so long as you could keep up with the enemy.

He lost a LOT of stats and global power just so he can be a little better when near his rock crutches than he was compared to before the 3rd rework. If I could play Crystal Venom Skarner right now with the current itemization then I would wreck everyones shit so hard he'd have to be hot fix nerfed.

His current form is garbage design, it is the most hamfisted and poorly designed attempt to make a champ better at something, he is NOT a good objective controller because of his kit it's just that he arbitrarily only gets needed stats in 6 specific parts of the map, it would be like me placing a rock crutch next to every turret and then calling him a good sieger

Champion SkinAug 30, 20161 votes

Something I also don't really understand is what the idea with the change to his Q was with removing all of the base damage and replacing it with total AD scaling... like building AD items on skarner seems like a horrible idea? Though I guess item 3022 and item 3071 could be decent? (Frozen mallet is a bit expensive but the stats are pretty good)

YCitizenSnipsYAug 29, 20161 votes

http://www.champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle

I guess being in the top 5 of most picked champions of your role is the new unpopular.

Troll for TrumpAug 30, 20161 votes

Oh his play rate spiked up a little.

Well, some nerfs may be in order down the line.

A little PeepoAug 29, 20167 votes

I've played zac a few this season and I can say without a doubt he is a really strong champion, super tanky with a good amount of damage. His only real issue is that he is really easy to read and his all in can easily be cancelled by players with good reaction times. Bottom line is he is easily screwed and extremely readable sort of how garen is at times.

We may end up seeing some more zac game play but I doubt it will get out of control if anything.

Champion SkinAug 29, 20161 votes

Also Taric (with his ult) can be really strong against Zac And well most knock backs just crush Zac... if the enemy reacts quick enough (or have vision and just buffers the ability by casting it outside of range so that the champion cast it the moment Zac comes into range) since then that stops his E and then he will likely be in a position which is pretty bad for making use of his R (champions with knock backs Alistar Poppy Tristana Vayne also there are lots of champions with knock ups and such which can stop dashes like Zac E)

Kingdom CornAug 30, 20161 votes

Azir LeeSin Gragas :D

JerulEonAug 29, 20166 votes

The tilted all-ins by Meteos made me very sad to watch.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 28, 20164 votes

zac is strong. does not need nerfs. meteos just tilted with that god awful mid lane gank after the first successful one.

General Esdeath Aug 28, 20162 votes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/117704643475144708/219602118607241216/Is_joke_face.jpg

CeexSettAug 29, 20161 votes

You.

The joke.

Laughing FishAug 29, 20164 votes

Meteos did well? http://static.tumblr.com/0zx49bw/hRYlxiw4f/brendan_fraser_laugh.gif

General Esdeath Aug 29, 20163 votes

IS IT THE FISH?!?

Laughing FishAug 29, 20162 votes

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General Esdeath Aug 29, 20162 votes

Also I never said Meteos did well :^) I just know Riot's balance team too well

MarshbouyAug 28, 20161 votes

People will flip out over zac once he get's some tiny change that buffs him or a metashift occurs. the current problem is that everyone hates ekko so much right now that they will use any evidence possible to justify gutting him completely.

DarkRitualAug 29, 20168 votes

He's only been super strong since his release. He had some low points, but even his low points in power were higher than most champions have as their balanced state. His kit had so much, and even being watered down a little since his release he still is loaded with utility. Utility is fine on it's own, but items and masteries let some champs keep their utility, while also offering good damage (Spellblade on Trinity Force and Fervor of Battle being the biggest of those currently).

GayFluffyUnicornAug 29, 20163 votes

Well imo the problem is the community too tbh. They complained about AP ekko. So AP ekko got nerfed. Then the players thought: why playing full AP and getting popped in two seconds when i can deal the same dmg as full tank? Now ekko is still trash as AP and only viabled as tank/trin force bruiser. Great. His base dmg is so frickin low that u just straight up lose every matchup in midlane. You can't farm decently until Q 4 or 5 lvls, it needs tons of AP before he gets going but IF he somehow manages to win lane and snowball he deletes everything in his path thanks to the busted AP ratios. Feast or famine. The most unhealthy design in the whole game. Great job.

DarkRitualAug 29, 20162 votes

Release Ekko needed nerfed. His ult cost ZERO mana. That was super dumb.

CeexSettAug 29, 20162 votes

I don't know why you got downvoted, you are extremely correct. AP Ekko is super feast or famine, and after tank Ekko finally dies from all those nerfs coming, people will realise assassin Ekko sucks, and will demand buffs. Vicious cycle until he gets reworked.

TFBaamAug 29, 20161 votes

he did well? didnt he get crushed in lane by impact? idk cuz i had to leave cuz my friend inv me for a game lcs is just so ResidentSleeperrrrrr

General Esdeath Aug 29, 20161 votes

I leave it on for background noise.

Guy Fox TeemoAug 29, 20161 votes

Ekko's got more nerfs on the PBE targeted toward that build so....

SanKakUAug 29, 20161 votes

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A little PeepoAug 31, 20161 votes

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I feel like Zac needs a rework to be honest. If you main mages and consider my rework idea to make him scale more like a tank to be a nerf, then so be it.

Zac already scales like a tank. Just because a champion deals magic damage that doesn't nessesarely make them a mage. And even then there are more tanks out there that scale better than he does as a tank and in terms of damage as well.