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How Bad, Exactly, is NA

IncrediPhiLL·6/3/2017, 10:16:36 PM·3 votes·483 views

TSM continues to buy all the good players and uses them to dominate the NALCS. That's fine. But they are unable to have any success internationally. C9 performed the best last year at Worlds after losing to TSM, but didn't do great, and TSM was frankly an embarrassment to the nation at MSI. A team like CLG who is so/so in the region had a good run at MSI last year, but dropped the ball at worlds. What does that say about the NA region as a whole that 1 team continually dominates NA split after split (thanks for the excitement RIOT. You really know how to give us the element of ZERO surprise), but that same team continually get destroyed during international play. Is NALCS the worst region? I know it's definitely bottom 3, but man... we bad. I'd be all for the TSM dominance if they could win a game in international play, but it's kind of a letdown knowing that the winner of the NALCS year after year does absolutely nothing at worlds year after year.

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III BAKURYU III 6/3/2017, 10:36:25 PM2 votes

Yeah, I'm getting tired of the same stuff, now if you excuse me I'm going to go watch some NFL where the Patriots/Whatever team Peyton is on and watch them dominate, NBA where it's literally the same guy in like 7-8 Finals in a row/Warriors who's looking to win 5-6 Championships within 8 years and NHL where it's the Penguins winning everything. The same thing happening year in and year out is pretty much an American tradition

Seen a video where China and EU have such a large scale of players that finding good players within such a massive pool helps with both. Korea has like 0 ping, and has been in the E-Sport scene with other games to help their practice, methods over the years.

But yeah NA sucking isn't something new as it's going on 7-8 years and it's most likely not going to change. C9 yeah, they've made it to QT Finals GJ! Started each Worlds in either QT Finals to begin with or starts off 2-0/4-3 2014, 3-0/3-4 2015, 2-1/3-3 in 2015 and can't seem to beat TSM in 3 years overall the last 5 meetings and with fans saying " OH C9 could have done better at MSI etc etc" How about C9 actually win NA first.

GeminiRune6/3/2017, 11:26:30 PM2 votes

How bad is NA because TSM keeps winning? Okay...how bad is Korea because SKT keeps winning in the end? How about the LMS with FW? Europe with G2? LAN with Lyon? LAS with a practical 2 way dance? Brazil with the same? Japan with a top heavy competition? Everywhere else has some kind of odd flavor of differences to them.

I don't understand why there always needs to be this judgment for domestic play based off of international results. In a 13 region system you call NA bottom 3. On what terms? Is it because they field TSM and they don't live up to anything? If that's the case then there have been worse examples: primarily Lyon Gaming, whose won more domestic titles and never gets anywhere with it; they got close once.

Pippen The Short6/4/2017, 2:53:22 AM2 votes

Salty C9 fan post.

The NA LCS scene has been getting better every year. This split may prove to be one of most competitive yet.

ananke6/3/2017, 10:21:27 PM1 votes

we're bad and they need to do something about it. Obviously, they're doing the same thing year after year and it obviously isn't working so they need to change something up.

ProtestantCaesar6/3/2017, 11:17:36 PM1 votes

"Bottom 3"? Out of the top 5 regions or out of all 13 regions? Well, international formats are changing. It's no longer the big 5 regions (NALCS, EULCS, LCK, LMS, and LPL) and the wild cards. Now the former wild card regions have the chance to show that they're better than NA, if they really are.

And at least at MSI this year, TSM finished ahead of the former wild card regions. The NALCS is probably the 5th best region out of the 13.

BigBellBrute6/4/2017, 3:31:04 AM1 votes

Other than Korea, nobody else is appreciably better.
Let me put it to you this way. If anything happens at worlds other than the following I will be surprised.

Four teams will be lucky and not get a Korean team in their group. Two teams will get lucky and face each other in the Quarters and one of them will make the semis where they will be dumpstered by the Korean team they face. The finals will be Korea vs Korea.

Europe seems to have a better top 4 on average than we do at the moment but beyond that, they are total garbage. And we'll see who is hot and who is not at worlds. Roccat couldn't even beat G2 with the latter having three players subbed in.