Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 13

RiotMeddler·3/13/2019, 3:28:51 PM·1 votes·150,971 views

Hi folks,

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Kayle and Morgana

Some thoughts on what we're planning for Kayle and Morg now they've been out for a bit.

Kayle:

Is looking on the strong side. Not all Kayle's are doing well, but we're seeing a lot of power come as players get through the learning curve. We considered a hotfix nerf late last week but decided to hold off since her performance was very variable. What we're currently planning instead are some nerfs and some feel improvements in 9.6 as below. Overall expectation is that her power will be brought down, she'll be a bit more item reliant than she was previously and her W/E should feel a bit better to use as well.

Stats

  • AD/lvl: 3 >>> 2.5
  • AS/lvl: 2 >>> 1.5
  • Default for Adaptive Force now AD instead of AP
  • Recommended items updated to reflect power of Guinsoo's and BotRK.

W

  • MS %: 26 - 50 (+.1 AP) >>> 26 - 50 (+.08 AP)
  • Haste at end of 0.25s cast >>> Haste at start of 0.25s cast
  • No longer has ~1s cancel-able winddown after cast (could be canceled by spamming RMB on your target)

E

  • Fixed 0.25 second cast time >>> Cast time now scales with AS (like a normal AA reset)

Morgana

We're looking at Morg nerfs, with a focus on bringing her mid lane performance in particular down, since she's most out of line there. Aiming for a fairly light nerf right now.

Stats

  • HP5 5.5 >>> 4.5, given she's getting more healing via Tormented Soil

W

  • Total Min AP Ratio :: .8 >>> .7 (.08 per half second >>> .07 per half second
  • Total Max AP Ratio :: 2.16 >>> 1.89

Bounties

We've been doing some further work on bounties for 9.6 and will have post detailing those out later these week, most likely tomorrow. Key things we've been focused on include having CS bounties diminish if enemies catch up on your CS lead, a somewhat slower rate of CS bounty building and support item gold contributing to CS bounties for the owner since those items are CS replacements.


Clash tests follow up

As mentioned last week we had some Clash tests over the weekend in BR, LAS and LAN. BRs went fairly smoothly, LAS ran into some issues on day 1 which also appeared to a lesser degree in LAN on day 2. We're digging into those with the intention of addressing whatever the cause is before the next round of testing. EU's tests which were scheduled for this weekend are postponed while we get those fixes in place. More details to follow once we've got them.

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309 Comments

YL 6663/13/2019, 3:32:50 PM21 votes

Hey Meddler,are you guys still doing works on Wukong? Which change you made were promising and which not? Can you share them?

Lord Raphel3/13/2019, 4:47:53 PM19 votes

**We want 550 of range on Morgana! **

  • Orianna has 525
  • Anivia has 600
  • Neeko 550
  • Ahri 550
  • Xerath 525
  • Lux 550
  • Aurelion Sol 550
  • Ziggs 550
  • Velkoz 525
  • Karma 525
  • Soraka 550
  • Lulu 550
  • Sona 550 Why Morgana has 450 Riot??????? Morgana
meteorbreaker3/13/2019, 4:27:23 PM13 votes

Hello Meddler!

Is there any thread will be future plans for Coop vs All? Bug fixes and gameplay edits bots? Updating bots? adding new bots? Adding more sophisticated bots?

RiotMeddler3/13/2019, 3:32:38 PM13 votes

I've got to post this and then head off to something very shortly. Will come back and get more responses to comments sometime later today.

Poolparty Sauron3/13/2019, 3:37:12 PM13 votes

What about Aatrox?

Spideraxe3/13/2019, 3:32:28 PM10 votes

Hey Meddler, can I ask for the team's thinking on Manamune, since Scruffy was asking last night about wanting to make it more broad and Repertoir said you guys were looking into making it unqiue with Archangel's in 9.6

DJBlackVoice3/13/2019, 6:30:52 PM10 votes

Yo mr Med, can you say something about Shaco Shen Skarner Singed TahmKench Azir ? I feel like these champs are totaly ignored since 2 seasons. Also Aatrox got reworked and then nerfed into oblivion, with the effect of destroy everyone who loved him.

RenaiCirculation3/13/2019, 3:59:03 PM9 votes

Is it planned to keep supporting Morgana mid balance-wise? I've been playing it for quite a long time and am nervous that her increase in play after the buffs will lead to consecutive nerfs to force her out of the role. The currently planned nerfs seem harmless enough but given Riot's past history with mage/supports I could easily see more on the way. I honestly thought she was fine pre 9.5 and the buffs weren't needed in the first place then (that said, the R buff does feel really good) so I'd be pretty bummed if she ends up getting whacked because of them. Prior to them, the only bans or complaints I saw were from Thresh mains. :P

Ars Arcánum3/13/2019, 4:14:31 PM9 votes

Why hasn't Quinn received any form of compensation for the nerfs from the item 3095 changes and the all inclusive bot lane meta of Season 8? She's terribly out scaled before she can even spike and has the highest death rate in the game.

Two Right Wings 3/13/2019, 4:50:30 PM8 votes

Please just leave Kayle alone and stop knee jerking. She's been forced out of every role but top, matches up horribly to every meta champ, and is a late game champion in an early game meta. Leave her alone and she will fall off the face of the game again so Kayle mains can get back to playing her.

As a 9 year Kayle main who's whole reason for installing the game was liking her character design in the promo matierial, this rework has been... rough. Every time you guys have ever mentioned her name it's been to gut her.

Sona Ping3/13/2019, 3:46:53 PM8 votes

Morgana... with a focus on bringing her mid lane performance in particular down, since she's most out of line there. Aiming for a fairly light nerf right now.

Why look at Morgana mid with her couple percent above 50 winrate and her couple percent pickrate? If a couple of percent earns you nerfs, why her over the ones being picked in the double digits like Rek'sai, Vayne, Riven, etc.? Just because they're sisters doesn't mean they have to do everything together.

Neblinio3/13/2019, 5:12:12 PM8 votes

Any news regarding support items? It's been a while since the "band aid fix", and I think it's time for a better long term solution. If my ADC dies or is forced to back, I shouldn't be penalized for the short time I'll stay solo in lane protecting the tower and poking the opponents.

Marco13913/13/2019, 5:01:57 PM7 votes

Hey Meddler!

Can you spare a word or two about Fiora? She has 46% winrate(op gg)/47% winrate(u..gg) and she's pretty awful overall after conq rework

Very Cash Money3/13/2019, 3:55:41 PM7 votes

Hi Meddler! Do you guys have any plans when it come to tank junglers? Primarily to seperate them and their strengths a bit. It feels like if tanks are strong it is mainly because of cinderhulk or some other item being very good on them. When that is the case usually sejuani and zac are the only dudes that really get picked because of their strong engage where the rest just kinda rot up. Very rarely does someone say "Man this game we need a Malphite/Nunu/Rammus/Zac/Amumu/Seju Because that champ excells at this!" Usually it is simply "which of these 7 champions have the best clear and engage? Seju? Well we go with her". There kinda lacks an identity for tank junglers that separate them.

I know you have tried a bit, giving Mundo the "Anti mage" look, making Amumu amp AP damage, but in the end it really doesn't feel like it has made any difference at all.

So yeah just wondered what your take on this was.

Erenex3/13/2019, 3:34:05 PM7 votes

Hello Meddler,

Anything u wanna say About Azir after his AS Buff and Zoe s current Situation? Also some love for Taliyah mid? Azir Zoe Taliyah

Ulkusus3/13/2019, 5:21:30 PM6 votes

Is rageblade a balanced item?

It feels like both a first rush and a endgame multiplier item for onhit, which imo doesn't seem healthy considering whenever I see e.g. vayne building it, their damage immediately spikes through the roof and they end up with about 33% true damage dealt even against a team without tanks.

For me, it would make more sense if you needed to complete e.g. two items to get to that passive, maybe like warmogs depends on a health threshold. Or, since I also find rageblade to be very hard to balance, maybe make it only work for item onhit effects.

Sir Marillion3/13/2019, 9:10:37 PM6 votes

I'd love to see more VU! Zilean really needs one...

Mysticman893/13/2019, 4:56:28 PM5 votes

Is there still work being done on a longer term solution to support items? Its pretty feels bad to miss out on frostfang poke gold if the adc isn't around (e.g. dead), or similarly when out on a solo warding mission and bumping into the enemy jg.

Chubbles3/13/2019, 3:40:47 PM5 votes

Meddler I really liked the post by Jatt and Repertoir on the new balancing philosophy going forward. Thanks for all the communication you guys do!

Fízz v23/13/2019, 6:06:16 PM4 votes

Do you think Lich Bane is strong enough? I rarely see it built and champs that build it arent really meta except Sylas maybe. I think it would be nice to make it 20% CDR, like item 3071 item 3285 item 3025 etc. for other classes (if you treat Lich Bane as an assassin item)

DorkunedAuras3/13/2019, 7:38:21 PM4 votes

Are you scared of overnerfing Rek'Sai, since her main source of OPness came from the new Conqueror, which has since been nerfed heavily. I'm just scared of my main being Sejuani'd and put in the gutter... again.

PopCorn Chick3n3/13/2019, 7:46:01 PM4 votes

Can Syndra W1 range increased so that she can pick up W easier after using the QE combo? Keep W2 range the same when she throw it. Thank you for reading.

Almost Creative3/13/2019, 3:41:26 PM3 votes

Any update about the new enchanter support? Like a reveal date.

ZaneShadow3/13/2019, 7:29:35 PM2 votes

I saw a twitter post about a potential new Zephyr item. How has that reviewed among players and/or internally?