Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 17

RiotMeddler·11/17/2017, 5:21:51 PM·1 votes·82,326 views

Morning all,


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Possible 7.24 balance changes

We're looking at potential changes for 7.24 (final patch of the year) at the moment. For 7.23, which goes out early next week, we wanted to just hit major outliers and give things time to settle down. We're now at the point where we'll want to do a fair bit more tuning of things around the new state of the game however. That work will involve looking at both Runes and Champions, so in some cases we'll need to either account for changes to one when changing the other or may need to circle back and do a follow up round of changes early next year, depending on how things go. That will be particularly true if we do end up adding any new runes to fill unserved champs, though we won't be doing that in 7.24 at least.

Sections below covering possible buff/nerf/investigate targets (none of this is final). It's also almost certain some of these things won't get changed and some other stuff will get added to the list instead as work on the patch goes on. These are also generally notes about things we'll be looking at, not as you'll note a list of what we'll actually be changing. That's because we haven't yet done the work to figure that out in most cases.

Possible Rune Buffs

  • Fleet Footwork Underperforming even on its best users.

  • Lethal Tempo Though need to make sure this is weak, that it's not just Press the Attack being strong.


Possible Rune Nerfs

  • Press the Attack Generally too strong on a fairly wide range of champs.

  • Aftershock Armor/MR granted is currently inappropriately multiplicative with temp Armor from stuff like Leona W or Rammus W, fixing that at least, might also be too strong in other respects.


Possible Champ Buffs

  • Galio Got smacked too hard when we over corrected his AP build just before pre-season.

  • Jhin Has been weak for a while, Runes have amplified that a bit.

  • Aurelion Sol Particularly hard hit by the change from Stormraider's to Phase Rush. Other champs also affected, many of them have better alternatives to swap to though, even if they haven't done so much yet.

  • Bard Struggling noticeably, need to investigate why.

  • Riven, Darius, Camille All are bruisers struggling in the new ecosystem, in particular because attack speed's not so valuable on them so Precision keystones are less applicable. Possible other candidates should also be considered here, also possible there's a missing rune needed to support some of these champs. Or that buffing them in general and letting them pick from a wider range of runes is the better call.


Possible Champ Nerfs

  • Taric, Leona Both are performing extremely well. Need to assess how much of that is Aftershock though.

  • Twitch, Trist Were strong before pre-season and have continued to be so.

  • Yorick Wanted to let him sit a while, rather than nerfing him immediately in 7.23. Fairly confident now he'll be too strong long term so we should be working on him.


Need to be assessed more at time of writing

  • Ezreal How much did that bug fix help bring his power down? If he's still too strong how much is Klepto?

  • Corki Some of the team think he's sleeper OP, lot of debate over that though.

  • Kleptomancy Definitely isn't weak. Its power is all very visible however, which can make it feel stronger than it is. Might be a good candidate for some tuning up for champions with less ability to proc it, tuning down for best case users. Some degree of champs being synergistic with particular things leads to really interesting play and trade offs though, so wouldn't want to normalize that too much.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/6.24.1/img/champion/Ziggs.png

476 Comments

Amaroq11/17/2017, 6:28:37 PM38 votes

Have you guys considered giving camille ult true sight on her target, I dont see it making her broken or op. Its a minor change that wont make everyone want to play her just to shut down vayne or akali. It just gives her a fighting chance against champs that stealth her entire ult duration making her worthless in team fights or when 1v1ing them in a split push. It seems like an over sight that should have been on the ultimate to begin with in my opinion.

Adalvar11/17/2017, 7:30:42 PM19 votes

If Ezreal is being placed under assessment, then maybe it would be a perfect time to shift some extra resources into such work and look deeper into his kit, specifically the massive imbalance between his Q and his W.

  • One is a premier poke tool with multiple spell and item interactions, which has also received multiple buffs over time and has been one of, if not the, core reason of Ezreal's game-breaking rises to the top over the years.

  • The other skill has almost nothing to offer: minimal damage, no waveclear, no scaling, no disruption and only a gimmick buff to help with sieging and objective, which has failed spectacularly in doing any of those even in a meta where attack speed and double ADC comps have been highly valued.

So to summarize, maybe you guys should take some time and resources and rework Ezreal's W into a useful skill, so you can then drain power from his Q, without destabilizing his entire kit and send him nose-diving to the bottom of the pack again and leave him a more stable state so we won't have to come back here 4-6 months from now over the same song and dance.

Miss Old Rengar11/17/2017, 7:26:36 PM14 votes

Meddler, i have 2 questions for you about Rengar's (announced)possible update. So pls take a look at this.

  • ­ What will you focus most on his update(his abilities,his ­ ­ ­ gameplay,playstyle,balances(nerfs,buffs...))? ­

­What are the chances that the Rengar is being updated?

RankOneUganda11/17/2017, 7:02:17 PM12 votes

Riven has ~50% winrate

http://na.op.gg/champion/Riven/

in platinum+. am not sure why is she included here. shes a fairly difficult champion and has a fairly high playrate. similar case for camille.

there are champions for much lower winrate. I don't get why do both of these and fiora have to get buffed whenever they aren ot at 50%.

darius by comparison is an easier champion and has winrate among the other top lane troll picks in vayne galio and lissandra

I mean. Riven has near unparalleled kill pressure top lane. any trade you take with her you're losing half your health from level 3 on. I would absolutely hate it if she gets buffed.

ßiggie Cheese11/17/2017, 6:04:28 PM12 votes

Ctrl + F: Volibear 0 out of 0 Cries in Ursine item 3070 Volibear item 3070

Noxian Pride11/17/2017, 5:49:40 PM10 votes

{quoted}

  • Riven, Darius, Camille All are bruisers struggling in the new ecosystem, in particular because attack speed's not so valuable on them so Precision keystones are less applicable. Possible other candidates should also be considered here, also possible there's a missing rune needed to support some of these champs. Or that buffing them in general and letting them pick from a wider range of runes is the better call.

This is completely untrue. It's not that we don't like attackspeed. On the contrary, it was normal for a majority of Darius players to run AS quints. It's just the precision tree itself is horrible for Darius as a primary tree, and item-wise we need tankiness more than we need AS. By all means, give us more AS, we'll welcome it happily.

That said, Fervor was extremely valuable to us too, and the lack of an equivalent replacement is one of the big things that hurt (this also hurt Riven players that didn't run TLD). Something to this effect would be nice for the "missing rune"

atomicwit11/17/2017, 6:54:24 PM10 votes

I think Press the Attack needs a melee separation and scaling. Just like the adaptive damage scales on levels, the expose damage should start at half the value.

Seviel Vorose11/17/2017, 5:28:30 PM9 votes

Can we get some insight on bugfixes for Syndra? She's performing very badly because of them.

Darkeus11/17/2017, 5:25:18 PM8 votes

As long as we are not looking at Sona anymore ;-)

ThornyZyra11/17/2017, 5:26:31 PM6 votes

Are Zyra buffs canceled?

Solari Fortune11/17/2017, 5:28:05 PM6 votes

Don't go too hard on Leona please. At least wait until you see what Aftershock nerfs do then decide if she needs nerfs herself

IxtaliKing11/17/2017, 5:34:31 PM6 votes

Hey Meddler, you've mentioned the possibility of small mechanical changes to Karma early next year - if you go through the update, will you take the opportunity to add her missing animations/particles? (Haste, shield, twin dragons etc...)

MetaKaizer11/17/2017, 5:41:50 PM6 votes

Thoughts on Mordekaiser? Would u consider him in a "balanced" spot or too weak?

Darkrown11/17/2017, 5:41:40 PM5 votes

any changes for Quinn underway? o:

One3511/17/2017, 11:03:25 PM4 votes

Hi Meddler, are there any plans to tone down the ridiculous lane harass potential Teemo has right now? His AA procs Scorch and double Aerys, and people consider him one of the strongest top laners ATM in community tier lists.

Here's a link explaining the details of Teemo's over-synergy with new runes: http://www.nerfplz.com/2017/11/fotm-report-teemo-rune-domination.html

MrKyng11/17/2017, 5:59:46 PM4 votes

I would love if Relic Shield item 3302 and it's upgrades item 3097 item 3401 item 2303 got a little display like smite showing how much damage the execute function will do on a minion so that I am not doing the "check my item's hover info and then click on a minion to see how much health it has to make sure I share the canon minion before my adc takes it all for himself" game.

I don't get to last hit very often so making it as easy for me as possible would probably be good. =)

Dısdaın11/17/2017, 6:46:27 PM4 votes

Can you confirm what happens after the Leblanc mini-rework? Is Rengar high on the ladder for the next mini-rework?

Queš11/17/2017, 5:25:48 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler. Can we get some insight on possible Yorick nerf?

Never FF Boy11/17/2017, 8:30:49 PM2 votes

Still no change for Yi ? He's still weak, even with the runes ... I'm seriously gonna think you hate that champion.

Spideraxe11/17/2017, 5:30:50 PM1 votes

Hey Meddler can I ask how you got into game design from a field like transportation as someone who wants to get in as well