What Do I Build On Kai’Sa?

RiotJag·2/26/2018, 10:28:10 PM·1 votes·57,698 views

Hey guys, I’m Riot Jag, the lead Gameplay Designer on Kai’Sa. I’ve seen a lot of confusion on what type of role, playstyle, or build she’s supposed to have, so I’m here to provide some context and some advice.

First off - Kai’Sa is intended to be a versatile champion. The goal is for her to have multiple roles, playstyles, and builds. So, I’d like to give a bit of context on each of her abilities and how they achieve this. Always remember that you don’t need to upgrade every ability every game, and most cohesive builds will evolve no more than 2 spells.

Ability breakdown

Almost everything on Kai’Sa’s kit scales directly with an offensive stat. Let’s talk about each ability in detail.

P (Caustic Wounds): Magic damage, scales primarily with AS and AP. Kai’Sa’s passive is the backbone of her damage output in most of her builds. In a conventional ADC build, she’ll probably do about 65% of her total champion damage as Physical Damage, and around 35% as Magic Damage, primarily due to the very strong AS scaling on her passive. Almost every build will get a lot of value here.** Her passive is also one of the biggest reasons she’s extremely strong as a bot laner - pair her up with a CC monster like Leona or a Thresh and you’ll have some awesome kill lanes as they ramp up her passive stacks for her**.

Q (Icathian Rain): Physical damage, scales primarily with AD and CDR. It has AP scaling, but since it’s Physical Damage, it’s much more likely to have value in builds that include Essence Reaver item 3508, Infinity Edge item 3031, or Duskblade item 3147. If you’re playing an Assassin style with Lethality, this is your bread and butter.

W (Void Seeker): Magic damage, scales primarily with AP, AD, and CDR. Most builds will always get some value out of W (especially since it accelerates your passive), but AP builds scale this spell harder than anything and it becomes your primary nuke if you’re starting out with items like Luden’s Echo or Lich Bane. This also has plenty of punch with Hybrid builds that utilize Hextech Gunblade item 3146 or Guinsoo’s Rageblade item 3124.

E (Supercharge): Scales primarily with AS and CDR. It’s important to note Attack Speed purchases scale down E’s cast time and scale up the MS it gives, making it feel super good with items that give that stat. Items like Blade of the Ruined King item 3153 or Statikk Shiv item 3087 really shine with a build that pushes to upgrade Supercharge first.

R (Killer Instinct): Shield scales primarily with AD, AP, CDR. Not much to think about here, just don’t build tank and you’ll get good value out of the shield. The AD ratio gets much better with level, so AD Kai’Sa builds will get better shields that can actually absorb a Critical Strike from an enemy ADC that has also reached late game.

Few other tips: -Kai’Sa has some of the worst level scaling in the game in terms of offensive base stats (her AD and AS per level are extremely low), but her item scaling is extremely potent. Most item purchases will scale you up quite well, as long as they’re offensive (if you’re thinking about Tank Kai’Sa, just don’t!). -Lifesteal is always a good purchase for ADCs with short attack ranges, and Kai’Sa is no exception. Blade of the Ruined King item 3153 is a great item for ADC builds because it gives Kai’Sa a bit of everything she needs (AD for Q Evolve, AS for E Evolve, lifesteal, dueling potential). -Some penetration items may be correct on Kai’Sa depending on the game, but since her damage profile is fairly mixed, it’s usually better to look at other items. Critical Strike becomes quite potent in conjunction with a few rankups in her E since the stats multiply quite well.

I’m happy to answer further questions here, but my main hope is that people will have a lot of fun exploring their favorite build path on Kai’Sa, as opposed to me telling you exactly what to do. Good luck!

122 Comments

Shacophobia2/27/2018, 1:46:13 PM18 votes

Help us please Jag you're our only hope for change. Shaco item 3070

Nyloaf2/26/2018, 10:34:56 PM12 votes

it really does disappoint me when people are like " you need to build this, this, this and this on kai'sa and nOTHING ELSE! "

she's supposed to be the embodiment of versatility and creative playstyle, build what you want!

Gree D Clown2/27/2018, 3:01:01 PM11 votes

https://i.imgur.com/590samD.png

Jag,you're the only hope we have,support our cause,be Shaco 's item 3026 like August has been for Rengar , be the hero we need item 3070

Monster mode2/27/2018, 1:37:06 PM11 votes

Why does Kha / Rengar get buffs and Shaco doesnt get anything after the duskblade nerf

Slowbro2/27/2018, 3:00:11 PM9 votes

Hey Jag first of all, i like your thoughts on Kai'Sa and think she will be fun to play. Second thanks for your time spending on this board, explaining to us how Kai'sa can work.

Last but not least i have to agree Monster Mode and Stronk Boi. 2 years ago you made a comment about Shaco. I dont ask for changes now, but i do ask may you visit the subreddit ShacoMains? There are lots of ideas and people who love that champ. I think i can talk for everybody if i say, we would love to see you there and giving us some sort of statement.

Greetings from Gen1 Pokemon Slowbro

CrimsonLotus32/26/2018, 11:10:34 PM6 votes

From what I've heard each INDIVIDUAL q missile counts as a single target and gets the full healing from item 3146 (rather than the AOE reduced healing). Is this intentional (if this is true) and do you see this interaction being removed possibly if its either too strong or unintentional?

Kei1432/26/2018, 10:58:34 PM6 votes

When will you guys stop calling Marksmens ADCs?

If you want the community to shift to a Marksmen-less botlane, you guys better change the lingo to be consistant. That includes the e-sports team.

Spideraxe2/26/2018, 10:32:14 PM3 votes

Hey Jag did being an ADC give you some perspective on how you wanted to tackle making Kai'Sa's gameplay

KindredAndWolf2/27/2018, 5:30:25 AM3 votes

Such a great hybrid kit... Why on god's green earth couldn't you have been the lead designer on the Evelynn rework? Kai'sa is awesome and I don't say that lightly since i've done NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN since the Evelynn rework.

Kai'sa is going to be the first fun and experimental champ Riot has released in a loooong time. Her kit makes her the new "Hybrid Queen", a title that used to belong to Evelynn.

So my burning questions.... Why wasn't THIS the Evelynn rework?

What makes hybrid itemization hard to balance (I've heard that Eve didn't keep her ad ratio's because hybrid champs are hard to balance)

Finally What makes Kai'Sa easier to balance hybrid wise when champs like Evelynn and Poppy was forced away from hybrid itemization diversity?

Just want to say thank you Jag. With minds like you in the company I can feel hopeful that the experimental and meta breaking properties of the game are sticking around for a while and playing different builds is encouraged. It's a breath of fresh air. Haven't played since the Eve rework so it's nice to see kits released that are made for tinkers like me.

Khristophoros3/6/2018, 11:04:32 AM3 votes

Last I checked she can't refresh Duskblade with her invis due to the duration being <1s. Is this intentional and if so do you expect Duskblade to be a good buy in spite of that?

World Ender2/26/2018, 10:50:07 PM3 votes

Hey Jag pretty off topic, but how goes Aatrox?

Quality Content2/26/2018, 10:51:13 PM3 votes

How are you going to respond if it's discovered that one build is the most optimal in every scenario? Being a purely offensive champion it doesn't seem unlikely that there will be a build with the best dps and power spikes.

MalrothDragonia2/26/2018, 10:30:56 PM2 votes

is there a build that allows her to get all her upgrades? Even if the passives on said items don't make sense for her effectively, and what's the power bump like from having all 3 evolved? Also first.

ProvidenceNox2/26/2018, 11:55:27 PM2 votes

Are you actually going to support her in multiple roles? Riot has a history of not supporting champions other roles.

1v1 Terror2/26/2018, 11:57:29 PM2 votes

If your goal is for burst damage, is it better to go ad or ap? Also in an assassin style build, would you want to still get atk speed items?

KilIua2/27/2018, 2:57:29 AM2 votes

Why did you gut her Muramana interaction? It was high risk high reward build path that I’ve really been looking forward to. Only thing that excited me about the game for the past 2 years. Now I won’t even play her, there’s no my assassiny adc anymore. And no, lethality is garbage on her, everyone knows it. You recommended the duskblade but lethality Kai’Sa becomes pointless after level 13. Cut more options, lets see how versatile she ends up to be.

ShishouMatt2/27/2018, 11:26:59 AM2 votes

I just want a tease of Aatrox Blood Born Again

Aatrox

DCYOUNG8882/27/2018, 10:19:14 PM2 votes

How come runes that provide permanent stats do not count for the stat requirement for upgrading the abilities like the attack speed from the precision route, alacrity attack speed bonus, or gathering storm?

ihero43/15/2018, 7:03:04 PM2 votes

I really do enjoy Kai'Sa right now, and your ability to play around with the build makes it a lot of fun to try and figure out what works best with her. I do want to say though that the e feels really bad unless you rush evolving it first because the charge time is so long, and the cast time for the w makes close combat trading feel REALLY bad. The projectile speed and single targeting for the w makes it a challenge to land and I don't hate that, but the wind up time to use the w makes it almost obsolete unless you go ap and get the w evolve, and even then it feels bad if you try to use it mid fight to get extra stacks. Could you make the cast time a bit shorter? The E I understand can not really be changed much and you just have to get used to it, but the w honestly tends to feel really bad no matter what, and I have a tendency to build Kai'Sa AP and still have this problem...

I love the champion still though, and theory crafting to try and find the best build for what circumstances feels amazing!

CAYLIM2/27/2018, 5:00:25 PM2 votes

Please help us jag, be us Shaco players item 3026 We all beg of you

Erised2/27/2018, 3:44:44 AM1 votes

Did you ever at any stage of the design have the ult upgrade? I was thinking it would have been kinda cool if you had 100 IAS, AD and AP if the ult upgraded to do something cool. I understand that it might be busted or too much power but I was thinking it definitely causes you to have to build a suboptimal DPS build to achieve it.

Saixos2/27/2018, 1:04:31 AM1 votes

One point of AP is worth 21.75 gold. One point of AD is worth 35 gold. 35/21.75 = ~1.61

The scaling on Q is 40% AD 30% AP. --- 1 * 0.4 = 0.4 < 1.61 * 0.3 = 0.483

Q scales harder with AP than with AD.

W scalings are 1.5% AD 65% AP. ---- 1 * 1.5 = 1.5 > 1.61 * 0.65 = ~1.05

Q scales harder with AD than with AP.


Your numbers are off. In addition, E scales far harder with hurricane. Shiv is second worst zeal item on her imo.

I believe that the numbers Kai'Sa currently has result in your suggested builds and Kai'Sa's recommended items to be inefficient and generally a poor choice.