Quick Gameplay Thoughts: Feb 24

RiotMeddler·2/24/2017, 6:02:32 PM·1 votes·69,441 views

Hey folks,

More stuff on our minds below. Will touch on current crit marksmen thinking (our bad on patch note phrasing/thinking on how 7.4 affects them) and lethality at least a bit on Monday or Tuesday.


Bond of Stone

Has been in a sad state for a while. We've got a new version that'll be hitting PBE soon (today maybe?) aiming to make it a better choice while still positioning it as a thing you take if you want to be tankier and keep your allies alive. Mechanics we're testing are:

  • You get 5% max HP for taking it.
  • Enemy champs you CC get a mark on them. Other allies who auto attack that mark get healed. Healing scales with your max health.

Given the mechanics are pretty different, and it no longer directly absorbs damage, we'll also likely change the name if this approach continues to test well. Suggestions highly welcomed, in particular ones that thematically suggest big/tough (max hp boost/scaling) and helpful/protective (the heal).


Quinn, Talon and Ashe

We've been testing Quinn and Talon nerfs on the PBE on the assumption that after the Ghostblade, Edge of Night and Mastery nerfs they'll still both be too strong and will need individual attention. We're not confident we'll have a clear enough picture on that at this point by the time we need to lock 7.5 down (mid next week) so we'll be pulling those changes from 7.5 and reintroducing them into 7.6 if appropriate.

For Ashe we're on the fence as to whether the E nerf is currently needed. Thinking's trending towards not at present, looking to get some testing on it both for a possible future change if needed and so we've got the option for 7.5 if we decide it is needed. Might vanish from the PBE at some point soon.

Doran's Shield

Change has potential, but needs more time than just the 7.5 patch cycle to be done properly. Will vanish from the PBE at some point, with possible return in the next patch or two or potentially in mid-season with other defensive item changes.


Practice Mode and Bugs

We're still getting some really good bug reports helped by practice tool. One thing I did want to call out though was that there are a number of spells that will behave in a buggy way in practice tool if you're using cheat CDs because the way they're set up doesn't behave well if their CD is shorter than it would be in an actual game (buffs/debuffs that normally time out before the spell could be available again still being around etc). The intent's highly appreciated, but calling out bugs that only happen in those circumstances is much less valuable than ones that can happen in normal conditions. It's unlikely we'll fix oddities like that if they're just slight practice tool weirdness - better to put that development time into fixing other bugs that affect actual games etc.


Couple of Hotfixes yesterday

For anyone that missed it the Edge of Night hotfix nerf went out yesterday (apologies for patch notes still representing older thinking), with AD dropping by 5 and CD going up from 30s to 45s.

We also put out a hotfix to a Scuttle Crab bug where in some circumstances kill credit would be incorrectly awarded to the enemy team if they were nearby. Apologies for anyone that saw a bit of weirdness from that yesterday.

266 Comments

Variks the Loyal2/24/2017, 6:27:09 PM29 votes

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Given the mechanics are pretty different, and it no longer directly absorbs damage, we'll also likely change the name if this approach continues to test well. Suggestions highly welcomed, in particular ones that thematically suggest big/tough (max hp boost/scaling) and helpful/protective (the heal).

I've been waiting my entire life for this moment.

  • Protector's Runebrand
  • Blessing of the Monolith
  • Bloodvigor Sigil
  • Mountain Vigilance
  • Patron's Tithe
  • Guardian's Spiritgift
  • Titan's Enchantment
  • Glyph of the Mountainborn
  • Celestial Harmony
  • Skywhite Vitality
  • Steadfast Rapture
  • Evergreen Concord
  • Solidarity of Eternity
  • Trueshield's Faith
  • Earthguard Absolute
  • Armor of the Devoted
  • Protectorate's Lifespark
  • Undying Spiritfire
  • Paladin's Passion (If you like alliteration)
  • Defender's Holy Sacrifice
  • Bastion of Sunrise
  • Lifedragon's Wombfire
  • Bond of the Sacrificer
  • Vorpal Bond (Since it's similar to Shen's old Q)
ArnoldSchwarzens2/24/2017, 6:18:51 PM18 votes

Something that would help a lot when testing your damage and builds in practice mode:

-set dummy armor -set dummy mr -set dummy hp -set dummy level

This would allow you to experiment much better with percentage damage, true damage, lethality and other forms of armor pen to see how it would affect differet types of champions in an actual game.

honeyboe2/24/2017, 6:23:15 PM14 votes

Reworked name for the new Bond of Stone? Mark of the Guardian? Protector's Aid? Soothing of the Giant? I'm not great with names, but I'm liking the new reworked version of Bond of Stone. : ^)

Glory ln Death2/24/2017, 8:43:10 PM5 votes

Bond of Stone rename: Guardian's Pledge

Invoking an image of a guardian who has pledged to defend and support his comrades through the toughest of battles.

ModCaptainMårvelous2/24/2017, 9:52:47 PM4 votes

If I may, might I suggest changing the name of "Bond of Stone" to "Brand of Nagakeboros"?

  • It's tough (Big squishy tentacle god)
  • It ties into how Illaoi's slam heals her.
  • Nagakeboros is about motion. Punishes those who stop moving (CC)
  • Ties into lore ala Thunderlord's Decree.

Alternatively "Mark of the Aspects" or "Titan's Brand"

Or

If you want to be cheeky as FUCK about it?

Defense of the Ancients.

No Good Deed2/24/2017, 10:57:44 PM3 votes

Best Idea for the new "Bond of Stone" name would be something along the lines of "Titans Gift". So It'd be like "Titan" for big strong and stuff, and "Gift" because it's the Titan giving out the goodies as a heal. or you swap out Titan for Giant but I think Titan sounds bigger and more impactful.

Sherogarth2/26/2017, 12:15:00 AM3 votes

Maybe "Runic Bastion"? It was a name of great defensive item and it fits well. Other ideas: "Blessing of the Mountain" "Earth's Embrace" "Rune of the Guardian" "Warden's Gift"

Purgamentium2/25/2017, 3:22:11 AM3 votes

How about: Vitality of the Vanguard Sigil of the Stonewarden Tribute of the Titan

Piscator972/25/2017, 3:12:04 AM3 votes

My idea for the new Bond of Stone name is Blessing of the Mountain, or something similar. Crewx gave you guys a lot of good ideas, too. Also, I was wondering if the current trend just nerfing champions and items that are too strong is here to stay, or if we can expect some buffs to champions that aren't seeing a lot of play right now as well. Making some of Camille's more rarely-seen counters in top lane stronger, for example, could be an interesting way to balance her.

Storm Echo2/25/2017, 1:08:15 AM3 votes

Spirit of the Vanguard

FathirianHound2/26/2017, 12:06:41 PM2 votes

What about Titan's Oath for the new Bond of Stone name?

Aribailo2/25/2017, 2:19:04 AM2 votes

A potential name for the mastery could be Titan's Benevolence.

SteelMankind2/25/2017, 2:52:57 AM2 votes

Bastion's Blessing? for renaming Bond of Stone

Korrby2/25/2017, 3:33:44 AM2 votes

I really like "Guardian's Embrace" for the Bond of Stone name, personally.

Shíny2/24/2017, 6:16:39 PM2 votes

Could you talk a bit about the miss fortune change on the PBE right now?

MrBuffington2/24/2017, 6:23:37 PM1 votes

The Bond of Stone changes look really cool, but I have a few question:

Does the Bond of Stone change work on all forms of CC (ie. slows), or just hard CC? Also, how do you see this differing from Courage of the Colossus? It seems the basic premise is that CoC is for Vanguards/initiators, where BoS is for Wardens/defensive tanks, but I'm just wondering how you view things, so one doesn't completely overshadow the other in terms of stat/point efficiency.

Finally, is there a cooldown/limit on marking people, since I think that could be a big deal in terms of distinguishing the two. For example, it may be more worthwhile for Leona to take BoS and just give her teammates a ton of heals on initiating, instead of shielding herself with CoC (especially since it synergizes with her passive), where it seems generally more fitting for Leona to take CoC since she initiates a lot of fights. Thanks!

Tenth Leper2/24/2017, 6:34:21 PM1 votes

I am very excited about the bond of stone changes. Everybody gets to be shen! (Especially Naut). I will return to this thread later with real name suggestions, but at present only have stuff like "overflowing vigor" or "boundless generousity".

Quick question though. Will this mastery work with non-item soft cc or is it hard cc only like CoC? Because I would very very much like to use it on nunu.

Thanks for all you do.

Illâoi Evê Siôn2/24/2017, 6:28:04 PM1 votes

The new Bond of Stone only heals other allies right? Does it also apply on slows in any form or only hard CC?