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Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 12

RiotMeddler·10/12/2018, 3:56:01 PM·1 votes·140,200 views

Hi folks,

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MF VO

Back when we were recording the VO for Gun Goddess MF we also looked at a VO update for MF's base VO, given we had voice actresses for all the required languages in the studio already. As you'll have noticed we didn't end up going through with that though. Wanted to share some details as to what happened there.

We recorded a lot of lines for a new MF VO set and put them into internal testing. Reaction was unexpectedly poor to it. To get a wider read we then reached out to Rioters who've played a lot of MF (mains or former mains generally) to get their thoughts. Feedback was really split, with different people having different takes on who MF is. We then put that new VO into research labs with a number of regular players who came in to visit our campus, some of whom were MF mains, some of whom weren't. Once again we saw some really contrasting feedback, in particular the distinction between "spunky, playful" versus "bad ass, bounty hunter". We believe that reflects in significant part that our portrayal of MF has changed over the years. Her presentation in some of the newer stories for example is more the bad ass version. Her current VO, given its age however is more the flirty, fun earlier take on the character.

Between that disconnect over who MF is, and some sadness at moving to a new voice actress from some play testers we concluded it didn't make sense to use the new VO. That was a disappointment, given it felt like a great opportunity to update a well loved champ with a very limited set of lines. It was a case where the downside felt larger than the upside though. We'll hopefully take another swing at updating MF's voice at some point, starting with a better definition for MF's identity to base a script and performance off.

Couple of notable bug fixes in 8.21

I normally avoid talking about specific bug fixes given there are a lot in any given patch. Wanted to touch on a couple today though, given they're topics I've seen a number of questions on, the Zyra one especially.

Zyra - Got a fix for an issue where plants would get stuck trying to attack untargetable non champion enemies (e.g. Azir Soldiers or Orianna ball) and therefore be unresponsive when it came to attacking actual targetable enemies nearby. Yorick - A bug fix for the Maiden to address cases where, while she's still following Yorick, she wouldn't always recall when he did. Mainly an issue in the jungle. Doesn't affect cases where the Maiden's no longer following Yorick.

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215 Comments

Soraka is SO HOT10/12/2018, 3:59:09 PM16 votes

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Zyra - Got a fix for an issue where plants would get stuck trying to attack untargetable non champion enemies (e.g. Azir Soldiers or Orianna ball) and therefore be unresponsive when it came to attacking actual targetable enemies nearby.

Doing God's work.

TheEthanolGuy10/12/2018, 4:29:39 PM7 votes

Hey Meddler any plans for my wonderful friend Skarner next season?

Khajiit Rengar10/12/2018, 5:10:14 PM7 votes

are we gonna hav a vs event next year ? also the Vs event gonna be always with rivals or some random champs ? pray for Rengar vsKhazix

shofaz10/12/2018, 3:58:37 PM5 votes

Hey meddler any plans for https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/lolesports_gamepedia_en/a/a3/ViktorSquare.png .Even with the buffs he has been receiving they dont really fix his problems. Would you guys take a look at him after preseason? And any short term or long term plan for him?

SKYFALL0510/12/2018, 4:54:28 PM5 votes

Hey meddler thought and ashe Ashe buffs, nurfs, vu,vgu,rw,?

Tyberius1110/12/2018, 6:11:57 PM5 votes

Lissandra passive and mini rework when???

Inashiya Doman10/12/2018, 4:04:24 PM4 votes

I really hope that you all will be able to change MF her base VO.

Because as you said, MF changed a lot now. So her old voice lines do not really fit anymore when you know MF her current lore.

I am a MF main and will not lie that it will be VERY weird to hear a new voice actor for her, but I absolutely do not mind something new and I am clearly looking forward for it! [sg-miss-fortune]

Reign of Squid10/12/2018, 4:01:22 PM4 votes

I read somewhere that the new Liss passive is still problematic cause the statues are too invisible for ennemies or too useless for Lissandra. Its kinda sad cause i really like this idea of frozen dead bodies. I had a little idea, remove the explosion thing (and maybe the aoe slow), and just give Liss flat ability power or on-hit magical damages for each corpses. What do you think ?

Lossondro10/12/2018, 4:37:16 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler,

What happened to the adjustment to the speed of Lissandra's E? Will it be released together with the passive? Are there other things that are being looked at (I saw some talk about ability queuing during self-ultimate)?

AHeroNamedHawke10/12/2018, 4:29:16 PM4 votes

Please don't make MF yet another super edgy character that constantly jokes about killing people. We have so many of those already (especially pirates), and her personality is iconic despite having a whole 3 lines to work with.

I understand the lore and animation teams have been going a different direction, but I'm fairly confident no one would actually want her replaced by that either.

GameWave10/12/2018, 4:23:03 PM4 votes

Any plans for hook/grab hitboxes? there really annoying because there hitboxes is way bigger than there visual :( and everytime i play blitz etc. and my hook is not hitting them but the game thinks "yes you hit" i'm pissed because thats not fair...

and what happend to the tank pyke nerf? I mean he is so tanky and can one shot everything and thats not assassin like :/

or what is with Tahm or Ornn? I mean there really strong in Worlds etc. but in SoloQ there extremly weak and thats sad :/

and can you tell me why MF got the Ultimate skin this year? I mean now the toplane is the only one without an ulitmate and thats sad :(

Cryxe10/12/2018, 3:59:45 PM4 votes

Hi,

Was wondering about how... soon we could expect the new "colorful mage"?

Lesba Zyra MID10/12/2018, 7:45:51 PM4 votes

@medler

Greetings! Lesba Zyra here! Hopefully, you plan to give Zyra some rework, so she can be useful as a midlaner once again. I know you've stated, that she is really weak for dia elo and more as a midlaner. (I've reached with her master tier every single season. Even this one is really pain in the ... So I've dropped to Dia 3-5 elo) I've never stopped playing her as a midlaner. And I've never played her as a support (only once and found that super boring). Riot should bring her glory as an useful midlaner once again. I am tired to see Karma/Brand/Morgana as viable mids, but Zyra. She is stuck on the bottom for a few seasons already.

I am tired of her low ap ratios and basic dmg that depends on flat magic penetration builds. This build doesn't work anymore. Especially against melee champions with their passive mr increase. The old haunted mask was her core item. Now it isn't that effective. I am tired of plants dying every single time, because of dia players focusing these. I am tired to see melee champions just one-shotting a melee plant that is not even able to hit them, because of enabled auto-attack. This reworked passive is her core problem again. Good for laning. Godlike for early. Useless for TF and late game roaming/moving .etc

Thank you for your attention. (if this one has dragged it)

charge attack10/12/2018, 4:05:06 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler. Any idea when the rune stats changing are going to be going through?

WindLord707010/12/2018, 4:45:00 PM3 votes

What ever happened to the whole "role diversity" thing? There was a video that talked about it and a reddit post talking about a few champions (nidalee,graves,trist) being looked at to let them be playable in other roles.

Wolfeur10/12/2018, 5:21:05 PM3 votes

I prefer to think of MF as a clever captain than a flirty one.

The way I see MF, considering her portrayal since Burning Tides, is a person who is very driven, and calculated. Everything she does is meant to forward her plans. As for the flirt, my take is that she's very aware of how she's perceived and what her assets are. She uses flirting merely as a tool, and doesn't take specific joy in doing so (but doesn't dislike it either). If I were to imagine her wait of flirting, that would be a subtle kind, with body language and double entendres, with the goal of distracting, and troubling her opponent, catching them then offguard. She makes them all puzzled in their head so that they put their defenses down and she can strike when they don't expect it.

Shaian10/12/2018, 6:03:02 PM3 votes

Why dont you fix her squishyness against stuff like corki/mf (2x dmg), gp ult (or generally multihit abilities, which are counted as aoe and deal 4x dmg), plants getting oneshot by melees without playerinput, just by how snares work in this game). Or just revert W/passive/plant changes of season 8 :o. Dont wait 2 years to revert it pls. You dont need 400 more days to give in it made her gameplay less skilled and worse overall.

Hexs Fortune10/12/2018, 6:04:22 PM3 votes

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MF VO

Back when we were recording the VO for Gun Goddess MF we also looked at a VO update for MF's base VO, given we had voice actresses for all the required languages in the studio already. As you'll have noticed we didn't end up going through with that though. Wanted to share some details as to what happened there.

We recorded a lot of lines for a new MF VO set and put them into internal testing. Reaction was unexpectedly poor to it. To get a wider read we then reached out to Rioters who've played a lot of MF (mains or former mains generally) to get their thoughts. Feedback was really split, with different people having different takes on who MF is. We then put that new VO into research labs with a number of regular players who came in to visit our campus, some of whom were MF mains, some of whom weren't. Once again we saw some really contrasting feedback, in particular the distinction between "spunky, playful" versus "bad ass, bounty hunter". We believe that reflects in significant part that our portrayal of MF has changed over the years. Her presentation in some of the newer stories for example is more the bad ass version. Her current VO, given its age however is more the flirty, fun earlier take on the character.

Between that disconnect over who MF is, and some sadness at moving to a new voice actress from some play testers we concluded it didn't make sense to use the new VO. That was a disappointment, given it felt like a great opportunity to update a well loved champ with a very limited set of lines. It was a case where the downside felt larger than the upside though. We'll hopefully take another swing at updating MF's voice at some point, starting with a better definition for MF's identity to base a script and performance off.

We had a really good discussion on the Boards concerning MissFortune's Identity and what players were looking forwards to in regards to her Base VO update

Carnival Knights contributed and has a really good understanding of MF in my opinion.

Feel free to give it a read.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/OolUPfEj-what-do-you-want-to-see-in-miss-fortunes-voiceover-update

Daddy Ants10/16/2018, 9:42:17 AM3 votes

MissFortune going to get any tuning soon? Preferably nerfs.

She is toxic with Lethality. She is toxic with Lethality and Dark Harvest.

How has she escaped nerfs all season?

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/MissFortune/

For a "low elo" champion, that's pretty alarming imo.

Solari Fortune10/12/2018, 7:15:38 PM3 votes

I would like to put in my thoughts for MF's VO

I feel while most of the time Sarah Fortune is this Badass Bounty Hunter she also is capable of turning on her charm a bit at times Kinda like how in the Fortune Smiles comic she is badass but there is a scene where she is more using her feminine side to try and get something she wants.

So I feel a mix of sorts could be good for her, perhaps mainly badass bounty hunter but she does have little flirty things to say at times

Also, if you do go with any innuendos. Don't go the route that GGMF did with them where she snickers like a child at the word integrating

Nitao10/12/2018, 5:16:47 PM2 votes

I am disapointed. You shouldn't listen just to you internal feedback. I am sure people who created her new voice were passionate about her, knew what they were doing and have made her new voice accurate to her story. Where she lost everything, had to take her life in her own hands and then got revenge. How can she be playful at all? You should push changes anyways and people will get used to it like they accepted new Swain personality.

So Meddler, could you at least upload somewhere her new voice and let us hear it? Pretty please.

Develyn10/12/2018, 9:08:09 PM2 votes

I, like many people on this forum, express the same disappointment about the MF MissFortune VO.

As an MF main, I can't believe her current quotes. They are so flat and repetitive. It's hard to imagine that some combination of her two identities (fun, suggestive vs. aggressive, strong) couldn't be reached.

While I own it (I like to support MF content no matter what), I personally only play GGMF when I feel like hearing some funner quotes. I think that skin is a waste, you removed her long hair and her sex appeal is lost in all that mech (her trademarks). At least she has some enjoyable dialogue (even if half of it is Exo...).

I can only imagine how much time and energy that was required to do all that VO work. Can't you just add some of the best stuff? Even if you only choose non polarizing, generic quotes it would mean some new, funner dialogue for MF. Otherwise it's gonna be at >years before you guys consider reinvesting in her VO. No one is gonna miss "bang" or "think you can handle me, summoner?"

Please reconsider! Also, Shout out to Zeronis! Star guardian MF is a present for all.