Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 26

RiotMeddler·1/26/2018, 4:09:40 PM·1 votes·76,167 views

Hey all,


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Splitting Precision's Stats

At this point it's looking very likely that in 8.4 we make it so Precision splits its stats with your other tree selected. That means Precision primary/Sorcery secondary would give AS and AD, as would Domination primary/Sorcery secondary etc. Same change that was made with Resolve recently, which overall seems to have been a net positive in terms of opening up Rune choice more. It's also got the benefit that now regardless of which combination of paths you're choosing you'll get some of the primary path and some of the secondary (though with Sorc+Domination both are Adaptive AD/AP of course). Not expecting this change to address all the issues with stats in the Runes system, we do think it'll help noticeably though and is something we can change quite quickly.

While we think it will open up Precision primary to a wider range of champs it does have some downside for champions who want to take Precision secondary but don't want attack speed much. Something we'll be testing as a result is skewing the stats split towards one tree in some cases. Sorcery primary/Precision secondary in particular might end up looking something like 70% AP/30% AS, rather than the straight 50%/50% splits Resolve uses with all the non Inspiration

pairings.


Mid-Season: Opening up Bot Lane

About a week back we put out a video dev diary covering some of our goals for gameplay in 2018. Worth a look if you haven't seen it:

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/01/dev-diary-gameplay-in-2018/

One thing mentioned there I figured it would be good to talk about a bit more is our plan to open up bot lane to a wider range champions in the farming position. It's something we've been interested in, and talked about, for a long time, but haven't dedicated the needed effort to to properly support non marksmen there. That's meant a game state where marksmen have been effectively a required pick as a result. A lot of players have called us on that, in particular that we've talked of wanting to support more diversity, but haven't opened up the most consistent part of team comps.

Our biggest goal with mid-season is to change that, make it so it's a really effective choice to sometimes run a comp that doesn't have a marksmen in bot lane, or potentially doesn't have a marksmen at all. It's kind of workable at present, but we agree should be a lot more so. That's likely to involve work on items for non marksmen bot lanes, adjusting some supports so that they've got stronger synergies with non marksmen, maybe changes to things like how towers take damage even. We generally want to stay away changing individual champs so that they go bot though, this is about opening up the position to other classes, not putting mechanics on champs that are bot lane specific.

Details overall still being worked on - we're just kicking off planning and investigation right now.

It's likely that, at least initially, we're supporting a range of non marksmen in bot, but that a number of other classes still don't have a way to succeed there (e.g. a lot of mages might be effective choices there, but skirmishers not). Assuming the initial opening up worked well we'd then want to continue to gradually open the position up over time.


Spell Agro Fallout

Very early days on this (writing when we've only seen about 12 hours of play or so). So far though it doesn't look like any champ's got hammered too hard by this change. Pantheon looks to be one of the most affected, but, at least off early data and observation seems to be a fairly mild power loss still. More thoughts to follow once the change has been out for a decent amount of time, no compensation changes planned yet at least though.

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375 Comments

Marlon1951/26/2018, 4:11:49 PM24 votes

Hey Meddler! Any news on where lissandra falls? She seems like she could use some help

Cameran1/26/2018, 4:17:07 PM15 votes

Any thoughts on Quinn? She’s in a weird place following the recent item and rune changes, with no real home in either top or bot. Additionally, her build paths (either lethality with dblade or crit, possibly with ER) either force her into a very short game clock before falling off or into too much farming to come online for a very brief window. Would like to see her focused towards one home rather than trying and failing to fit into two.

Adalvar1/26/2018, 5:21:08 PM14 votes

Hello Meddler.

I would like to know if the item 3010 tree will see any changes done to it in any forseeable future.

  • item 3001 due to it's passive, is more appealing on scaling mages than aggressive tanks by a very big margin.

  • item 3027 lost it's role as a scaling item, partially due to changes done in the mage update and the subsequent introduction of item 3001

  • item 3030 and last and certainly least of the bunch. This item has sub-par stats and a conditional active that overlaps with item 3116 while being less reliable. Not to mention it simply loses when compared to either of the above items.

Would you guys please include taking a look at this tree when the AP rebalancing takes place and create some better distinction between each item?

Wukong Airlines1/26/2018, 6:49:19 PM9 votes

@Meddler, what are your thoughts on MonkeyKing ? When can we expect upcoming changes for him? he desperately needs a viable passive, and more importantly, a VGU.

Kroosier1/26/2018, 5:03:07 PM7 votes

Hey Meddler, I hope you are doing well. Just want you to know that I appreciate your posts and really love reading em!

redniwediS1/26/2018, 5:29:53 PM5 votes

I loved hearing what had to be said in the Dev Diary you linked, but one thing that bothered me was the use of the word "bruiser". It may be applicable in this case, but it is a vague term by it's nature, as you and others pointed out a while back.

Any chance we'll see another push for using the class/subclass system? Not much of it is visible on the client, and many people on the boards seem to view Role and Class as interchangeable. I'm a big fan of the official classifications and the clarity it can bring to conversation, so I'm just wondering if there are any plans to make it more accessible to people who don't necessarily keep up with past changes or the wiki.

Small Boobs Ahri1/26/2018, 4:17:51 PM5 votes

Hi Meddler, what do you think of Zed acutelly? https://image.prntscr.com/image/1hHEACjrSqaZc7jr8XgYPw.jpeg

The champion is Top BanRate since many patches, but has had no change since all the time, and the new Runes on nothing change to are gameplay see not much, maybe think about doing something ?

LethalTempo Jhin1/26/2018, 4:20:53 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler, what is the current status of Jhin ?

meteorbreaker1/26/2018, 4:22:51 PM4 votes

Hi Meddler!

I'm again about Zyra :) What do you think about Zyra now? Her role as a champion of support is still firmly in the lead. In my opinion, she needs a little more help to return to the midlane and to survive the jungle against strong junglers in early game (et. Kha, Elise and others) Another couple of small buffs, at least at least to check how this will affect the solo lane.

For example:

Health growth increased to 84 from 79

W: New Passive - All Zyra skills, as well as flower damage, passively increase scales by 0.02 / 0.04 / 0.06 / 0.08 / 0.10 AP or 0.03 / 0.06 / 0.09 / 0.12 / 0, 15 AP.

Urane King1/26/2018, 5:01:36 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler! Do you know when they will be releasing the New Champion Roadmap?

Holgranth1/26/2018, 5:30:07 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler I saw on the new "Gameplay Goals" video that you are trying to make Champions viable in multiple roles again. Any chance that Jungle Nautilus will be looked at? I feel very strongly that he could be made viable and balanced by adding bonus damage to monsters to his w or e without giving him too much power as a support or top laner. I bought Nautilus in 2012 to play as a jungler. I am very disappointed that Riot has let this play style get destroyed. Why don't you give struggling junglers bonus damage vs monsters more often? I feel like its a good solution to prevent them from having too much damage vs other champions or pushing power in lane.

Impish Yordle1/26/2018, 4:38:16 PM3 votes

Are we going to see more changes to open up build paths and roles for champions (not just bot lane) like you did by promoting Ekko jungle and giving Rengo AP scalings on PBE? There are a lot of champions that could work in different ways or positions as well as those that have previously worked on certain positions but now no longer do. For example adc crit Kennen became one of the, if not the absolute worst adc choice as a result of his off-tank on-hit build getting nerfed even though his glass cannon crit build had a healthy niche. Can we expect more changes that can help promote those types of different playstyles?

Winterkill1/26/2018, 4:20:53 PM3 votes

What is the current state of the Karma rework and what do you plan to do with her?

When is this new AP item coming out?

When is this new shield canceling item coming out?

A champion I have been wondering a lot about is Zilean. I don't think he is in a desperate need for drastic kit changes but his art is horrible. Is Zilean high on the list of VGU?

Anything exciting you can tell us about the new champion?


Thanks, have a nice day.

Sahn Uzal1/26/2018, 4:21:27 PM1 votes

In your last gameplay thoughts post you mentioned GP might still be too strong with Grasp, after the Kleptomancy nerfs. Grasp GP's winrate seems to have fallen a bit since that post, so I wonder if it is. Anyhow, is there news on him?

And if you do decide to nerf him, I'd recommend hitting his Plunder passive.

-A GP main with 880k+ mastery points :P

Idaisa v21/26/2018, 5:50:25 PM1 votes

Katarina nerfs still haven't appeared on PBE.

ModKnightsKemplar1/26/2018, 6:11:12 PM1 votes

I'm curious about champs like Taric and Malph if marksmen are out of the game; I've always thought it would be nice to have MR scaling on Taric W for dealing with AP poke champs; a meta where it's possible to have no marksman makes those picks weaker first picks, in particular.

Do you think making champs like Taric and Malph, who scale with armor, more niche is okay (ala Galio with MR)? Are there any thoughts about how to do that, or is that kind of a "wait and see" type of concern?