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Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 13

RiotMeddler·6/13/2017, 3:56:37 PM·1 votes·91,818 views

Morning all,

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Support Starting Items

We've been looking at the starting support items now that they've been out for a while. Conclusion is that the Coin line is underperforming, so we'll be doing some more work on it. That will likely involve improvements both to the tier1 and tier 2 versions as well as the tier 3 upgrades (probably both Talisman and Eye of the Oasis).

Possible the Frost Queen's is also too strong, what we'll likely do is buff coin first though then reassess whether that's actually the case or not.

Some 7.13 Balance Context

Some of the things we're investigating in 7.13:

  • Shaco - Looking at E changes to better support AD builds (more assassin generally). Trying things like damage of 50-150 + 1.2 bonus AD, instead of 5-125 + 0.75 total AD, changing the low health effect to be a multiplier on the existing damage, rather than a percentage of the target's missing health. Also considering swapping it from magical to physical damage.

  • Trundle - Aiming to give him a bit more dueling power against AD opponents (higher AD steal on Q) and seeing whether or not we can give him some split push back. We've seen a lot of people missing the tower chomping with Q so investigating whether or not we can afford to return that (though it needed to be removed previously, think that might have been an unnecessary call though).

No new champ in 7.13

We're getting closer to a new champ, for those wondering though (seeing a bit of speculation) no, there won't be a new champ dropping onto the PBE in 7.13 today (or later in the cycle).

Assassin Items

We're looking at some of the assassin items as well at present that aren't quite hitting the mark. Goals are to get a bit more choice into assassin itemization (e.g. make Duskblade a decent 1st item, change access to CDR/impact of Black Cleaver, make out of combat movement speed something you choose to itemize into rather than just getting). Might start seeing some of that on the PBE soon, changes will likely come gradually, potentially with some this patch and some next.

Warded Ping

Is on its way. Odds are reasonable, though not guaranteed, it will be in the next patch or the one after.

305 Comments

Pink Ward6/13/2017, 4:05:13 PM35 votes

Will the ap ratio on Shaco's E be kept?

c1rcus6/13/2017, 4:45:40 PM19 votes

Thoughts on Rengar? Rengar

Cabruh6/13/2017, 4:38:57 PM13 votes

When you talk assassin items, do you think there will be room for a little more itemization for ap's? Its been something Ekko Fizz Akali Leblanc Katarina have been asking for a while now.

Also, do you consider item 3146 an assassin item now? I usually see ap players build it, so the ad it provides feels a little wasted sometimes.

Zielmann6/13/2017, 4:04:36 PM10 votes

Will the warded ping be in addition to current pings, or replace one of them?

Also, would it be possible to get more insight into what exactly goes into the "self-mitigated damage" and "vision score" in the post-game screen? Even if not here, maybe a post in the Nexus blog or something? Having the numbers there is cool, but they don't mean much without context around what they really indicate. It would also help with understanding of things that seem off, like me having 6 less points to my vision score when I only had one less ward placed and ward destroyed, but 3 more control wards used than the enemy support.

Vëx6/13/2017, 4:20:26 PM7 votes

Any thoughts on Kindred?

Most of us have lost hope of any kind for anything meaningful

Aevilok6/13/2017, 6:56:30 PM7 votes

Is udyr getting some love soon? We are still waiting for the follow-up buffs after his mana costs got decreased and he is still sitting at a 47-48% winrate

Sw4de6/13/2017, 4:03:05 PM6 votes

Thoughts on junglers being able to do stuff like this?

https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongNaiveGullNinjaGrumpy

A 1/2 jungler is a better assassin than a 4/1 midlaner, all the best assassins in the game are junglers, kha/elise/leesin

i am still wondering when this gank/supportive role turned into the biggest carry in the game, jungle as a role spends 80-90% of the early game playing PVE in fog of war, and get to keep up in carry power with a role that from minute 1 is literally fighting for every single shred of gold and xp they can get, with another actual player whose sole goal is to deny you those resources

Junglers get to practically decide matchups on all 3 lanes at any point, and for that massive early game impact and influence on the entire map that laners could never match, they naturally should get outscaled, what kind of risk reward do you want the roles to have if the safest roles are also mid to late game damage carries.

in early seasons a jungler would never dream of being stupid enough to try 1v1 a fed assassin let alone actually being a better assassin who didnt even have to lane and is not even as fed. Before s6 a low elo jungler would try something like this, end up doing 50% of the enemy's health and then getting blown up for thinking they can take on a fed 100% hp carry alone.

DCYOUNG8886/13/2017, 4:07:25 PM6 votes

Can you give us the context with the nerfs for Kennen, Fiora, and Galio, as well as the buffs for Cho'gath, Poppy, Gnar, and Maokai that were mentioned last week?

EDIT: How come Kindred's range increase caps at 750 range or 32 marks?

JamesIAm6/13/2017, 4:10:02 PM6 votes

Are there any plans to look at a skins collection page so we can see all of our owned skins in one place?

Mreti6/13/2017, 7:19:25 PM5 votes

Can you please look into udyr more? The recent changes haven't brought anything new and we udyr mains are really struggling since the nerfs back then. Please if you have anything planned let us know, much appreciated. Udyr

Dolchstoßlegende6/13/2017, 4:13:37 PM5 votes

Very wise to buff AD Assassin Shaco again, but please keep the damage magical. That is one of the main points how Shaco stays relevant damage-wise in the late game if you people have not already realized that the mini-rework didn't push him into a late game role in one way or the other

Napstablook6/13/2017, 11:41:10 PM5 votes

Are you going to do something about Ohmwrecker? or is it just deaditem 3056

RenanRein6/13/2017, 4:22:48 PM4 votes

Hi Meddler, can I ask you about Sivir? She feels very unsatisfied to play on soloq since the last time you guys nerfed her. I know that the nerf was necessary for the competitive, but the impacts were very negative on her soloq play. Nerfing her As bonus on ricochet really hurt her, since the bonus only last for 3 attacks and she has one of the lowest basic attack speed between all marksman and her utility sucks. Maybe could you guys think about revert the As nerf ?

And about Diana. The changes on Abyssal affected her, are you guys planning some buff or maybe a Diver Roster Update to her? She has so much potential to be an AP Fighter Diver instead of the "Fighter Assassin" that she is right now.

ScarletSurgeon6/13/2017, 4:10:28 PM4 votes

I was wondering when LeBlanc changes are appearing on the PBE. Or are there plans about a bigger ability update?

Also thanks for the warde ping! Great that you guys are taking suggestions into account. :)

True Sight6/14/2017, 2:09:30 PM4 votes

If the shaco change goes live I'm actually quitting league for good

stealth is S46/13/2017, 4:55:30 PM4 votes

I love how you are trying to bring back assassin shaco but I would also love Q to have a bonus ad ratio in exchange for maybe stealth duration and backstab cooldown. All these would help Shaco as a assasin while lowering the backstab dps and the stealth nerf would higher his skillcap. I'm not sure about the E magic damage change since it would kill ap Shaco for good.

Martian Spartan6/13/2017, 8:22:59 PM4 votes

i think Udyr needs to be better looked at, he's still a tad to much on the weakside. Probably lack of mobility, either his E or Passive movespeed should be shown a little love due to how many mobile champs have been introduced in the game. Just the slightest movespeed buff of either his e or passive could really help.

JamesIAm6/13/2017, 4:01:59 PM3 votes

Any idea how the warded ping will be integrated. Will it be bound to a certain key, or put on the ping dial with the other 4?

Sir Nope6/13/2017, 4:05:54 PM3 votes

Couple questions:

Where do you stand on Poacher's Dirk? I may be low elo but I'm not seeing it being used anywhere.

Any more news on LeBlanc? And on that note, how do you and the Dev team envision a Trickster champion?

Skias6/14/2017, 2:15:05 PM3 votes

The problem with coin is the farming quest reward isn't useful. When you compare the elixir to something awesome like shield battery, I'll never take coin over targons. Also feels sort of bad when you hit 18 and the value of the elixir is completely lost. That, and the base stats on coin are too bad.

NovaDisk6/14/2017, 5:26:09 PM3 votes

Please don't forget about Garen, especially when you're changing Black Cleaver!

He's already in a pretty bad spot right now, and nerfing his signature item, or making it an assassin-only item will put him in an even worse spot!

Justíce Reformed6/15/2017, 4:35:25 AM2 votes

Now i do realize my name is very bias when i say this but i'm hoping i can here this from a rioter. Do you have any plans for Garen? If i remember correctly you guys were talking about his W a while back, anyway thats all i wanted to ask. Thanks for hearing me out my dudes.

Vaccine696/15/2017, 2:37:35 PM2 votes

The fact is I ve been playing from s3 and i am a shaco main . You say assasin in general? A khazix gets one kill and he can snowball the rest of the game , as can any other assasin jungler execpt shaco. Now im not being salty about the major nerfs to him in the past patches but i am saying thaf because of his nerfes the small amount of people playing shaco are starting to quit . Making this champ redundat. If he is an assasin then buff his ad radio and lover base damage. And for gods sake rework his pasiv cus the only reasson he ia played tank is cus of the backstab pasiv. If he is an assasin then he has to do damage . Not to be played like a tank or fighter. Either rework him completely or do a hot fix on him that wont make him the new urgot or yorick . Champs that are only played by OTPs . Meddler oiwould love to hear your thoughts on this . Ty

Dreampod6/13/2017, 4:21:07 PM1 votes

What has the effect of the 10 ban system looked like from within Riot? Has it altered the priority of looking at any champions like Yasuo or Lee Sin?

Spideraxe6/13/2017, 4:05:02 PM1 votes

Hey Meddler can I ask if its DanielZKlein who is designing the champ