Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 16

RiotMeddler·6/16/2017, 4:49:38 PM·1 votes·82,139 views

Morning folks,


Usual Disclaimers

These posts will often contain talk about future work we're doing, or planning to do, that isn't yet guaranteed to ship. The nature of the work could change or, depending on what we discover, projects mentioned may get put delayed or even stopped. If you'd like to see a Tweet whenever a new one of these posts goes up: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler


Gnar

We've been trying out some Gnar changes recently, looking at both adding a bit of power and whether his play pattern needs a bit of work too. That's included looking at things like moving his % health damage from his W to his Q. After some testing we'll probably be going with some simpler changes though, conclusion being he mainly just needs a bit of power. Likely targets are mini Q base damage and mega E range, might see those on PBE shortly.


Diana

We don't have work currently underway for Diana, wanted to mention her though since it's been quite a while since we mentioned her however. Our belief is whenever we next look at Diana we should be doing some changes beyond just balance, so probably a mini-update like Rek'Sai or Heimer's. Unsure when exactly that would be, but did want to mention we're not just forgetting she exists or unaware of player feeling she needs help.


Kindred

Early assessment of the 7.12 patch suggests the buffs there may not have been enough to put Kindred in a good spot. We're still evaluating whether that's the case or not, on the belief it probably is though we're going to be looking at some follow up buffs, likely in 7.13. Possible targets include E base damage and looking at number of marks needed for the AA range increase after the initial 4 marks.


Spectator and Allied View team indicator circles

Last year we did some clean up on which team indicators (green/red rings etc) show up to allies, or to spectators, on a number of champions. Result of that was things like the green ring around Trundle's W not being shown to some players or to viewers (didn't offer meaningful information, so was clutter without benefit). We'll be doing another pass like that shortly, in part because we're getting close to the time of the year where there's a lot of Esports viewership of particular patches. Sing out if there's something you've spotted in Spectator in particular that's ugly or distracting and just doesn't need to be there and we'll give it a glance.


World's Patch

Speaking of Esports, for anyone interested it looks highly likely that 7.18 will be the patch for Worlds this year. We'd originally been thinking 7.19, but that ended up being a bit too tight timing wise. That will mean 7.18's a smaller patch though most, with the goal of avoiding both late significant disruption and minimizing bug risk. Some changes will also be avoided where possible in the few patches beforehand (e.g. major systemic gameplay changes to things like objectives, whole categories of item etc).


253 Comments

Rainfall6/16/2017, 4:52:11 PM28 votes

are you planning on making any changes on the armor items? it doesnt feel like any of them are worth buying right now. specificaly item 3143 which barely gives any hp anditem 3068 which lost half its damage do champions

AlistarMilking6/16/2017, 5:12:20 PM18 votes

Hi Meddler! I'm a Gnar main, and I believe his play pattern isn't inherently problematic. His main issue is that buying Frozen Mallet makes his already top tier kiting extra oppressive.

I firmly believe that if Gnar didn't have access to Frozen Mallet (maybe making it melee only?) he'd be perfectly balanced and wouldn't be oppressive when strong like he was in earlier seasons.

What are your thought on the Gnar item 3022 combo?

Tantarboy6/16/2017, 5:00:18 PM16 votes

Is there any thoughts off adding new MR scalings on Galio instead of buffing his AP ratios (along with nerfing his base damage which is essential atm)?

SecondComing6/16/2017, 5:46:00 PM9 votes

Hello @Meddler

Any info/thoughts you could share on Garen? He still struggles, being last or close to last in position efficiency (he's only viable top and many easily give him a hard time) and he sees little to no play at all (champion.gg, probuilds.net). I think he could really use a reworked kit.

RenanRein6/16/2017, 5:10:00 PM9 votes

Any Thoughts on Sivir Sivir Meddler? She feels very unsatisfied to play on soloq. I made a proposal topics for her, if you have time and wanna take a look.

OH NO ITS LU BU6/16/2017, 6:44:41 PM8 votes

Will Urgot be available for Worlds

Qiyana is SO HOT6/16/2017, 5:23:24 PM8 votes

Meddler in regards to Diana are you guys planning to massively change her playstyle? I ask because her playstyle is so similar to Akali that when Diana is good theres really no reason to ever pick Akali because she has more burst and more innate tankiness which is why alot of people call Diana, Akali 2.0. Akali is on the list for a full vgu (hopefully soon) but was wondering if the plan with Dianas update is to while fixing her issues also maybe flesh her kit out a bit more so theres more difference in playstyle between the 2?

silverwolf356/16/2017, 5:24:00 PM7 votes

I have a few notes on spectator view:

1. target frame : this cover the chat and info (who buy what and stuff) log (on the left down corner). i usually have to turn this frame off because I couldnt see the msg and those infos. It would be great if we move either the frame somewhere or pump the chat area higher. 

2. When you quit spectating mode , it should directly put you in the lobby instead of asking you to hit reconnect or quit. It is redundant since you have to wait 5 sec in game to escape spectating mode already. Also, there is a minor visual bug after you quit spectator mode is that on your friend list, the one who in game have yellow font indicator (in game) now have green indicator (online) even though the text itself says in game (and they are in fact in game).

Also a small question: Do you have any update on singed ? Singed main community has been eagerly waiting for some info about his update.

Solidair36/16/2017, 4:59:47 PM6 votes

So it's great that you guy's haven't forgotten Diana, glad to hear it. You haven't started work but you know she needs it. Is there like, a priority order for these mini reworks?

Will we be seeing something for her in a couple patches... by the end of the year.... next year? What is the plan. We know Azir, Yasuo, Diana, probably some others I'm not listing all need work. When should we be expecting some of these?

Adalvar6/16/2017, 5:14:30 PM5 votes

What about the assassin items you said were being looked at? Can we expect anything this patch? If so, what?

DCYOUNG8886/16/2017, 5:00:54 PM5 votes

Will there be a diver update for this preseason? Will Kalista have an update after Azir's and LeBlanc's?

EDIT: Any news related to Mordekaiser (and possibly his bugs)?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku6/16/2017, 5:29:10 PM5 votes

Diana

We don't have work currently underway for Diana, wanted to mention her though since it's been quite a while since we mentioned her however. Our belief is whenever we next look at Diana we should be doing some changes beyond just balance, so probably a mini-update like Rek'Sai or Heimer's. Unsure when exactly that would be, but did want to mention we're not just forgetting she exists or unaware of player feeling she needs help.

Whut ? U didn't planned to rework her during Divers update along MonkeyKing &Aatrox ?

Sοlo Leveling6/16/2017, 5:06:13 PM4 votes

Any plans for Quinn rework/mini update ?

beany6/16/2017, 4:59:25 PM4 votes

Does mega gnar E range affect the bounce from mini into mega? I still think exclusively buffing mega gnar is better since it's gated power and mini gnar buffs tend to make him a nuisance that eventually gets nerfed like last time.

Also, with timing of champ release the new champ will be playable at worlds while any further vgus won't?

Finally, Thoughts on gargoyle stoneplate? I feel like it's simply too good at what it does now.

Spideraxe6/16/2017, 7:08:51 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler do you ever miss living in New Zeland?

OoggoO6/16/2017, 10:57:08 PM4 votes

What happens to the changes to Lissandra? There was word of her new passive being out in 7.8 but no word since then? When will we be seeing her changes ?

Shwonglee6/16/2017, 7:13:32 PM2 votes

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